What happened to this game? They ruined it

[res2]

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They do this every year. The game is great. Then the online crew whines about this and that and 2K changes things. Every patch changes enough to throw the game off.

We end up in a constant cycle of slider and roster adjustments just to get back to a playable game. Patch, adjust. Rinse and repeat.

This is why I did not buy 2K24. Its the first year in...almost forever. I'm playing 2K23 still and loving the fact that the game is stable and unchanging now that 2K patch ADHD is focused on 24 instead.

I also did not buy 24 because playing on PC they gave me zero reason to buy 2K24 since the PC version is still old gen.

But based on this experience and the the joy of no patches, this may be my new go-to purchase routine. Buy the game 1 year later after the patch cycle wraps up and everyone else is focused on the new version.

[sjoh00784]

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I never bought 2k24 for that reason, I'm using your sliders on 2k23 still

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[NYJin2011tm]

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I just played for the first time in about a week. It seemed better than it was the last time I played. The turbo close outs and super tight D on the perimeter seemed gone. Actually could get open shots but open shots still go in too much. But now there was sliding on D making it hard to stay on the ballhandler.

[FixEverything2k]

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Are we saying gameplay isn’t changing or that it’s not changing drastically?

If you switched back and forth between an early version of the game and the current version, are we saying the only differences would be the shooting changes or what was outlined in the patches?

[topwater]

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Are we saying gameplay isn’t changing or that it’s not changing drastically?

If you switched back and forth between an early version of the game and the current version, are we saying the only differences would be the shooting changes or what was outlined in the patches?

There are lots of people that say that if it isn't acknowledged by a dev or tweeted via a 2K source then it doesn't exist. You see it all over these threads. Even despite the history of silent game play changes that weren't acknowledged until later people still tow the 2K company line.


Personally I don't understand it as I have eyes and I can feel and see how the game is different. I don't need Mike Wang to confirm something, good or bad. The biggest one for me this year was the fairly recent fix to shooting contests. I can't quite remember the verbiage used or the exact proposed change(s) but I know fastbreaks have been broken since then, among other things. It is what it is and there are going to be lots of changes, good and bad, documented and silent. If you don't think there are changes that go undeclared I got a bridge to sell you...

[gp005]

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Are we saying gameplay isn’t changing or that it’s not changing drastically?

If you switched back and forth between an early version of the game and the current version, are we saying the only differences would be the shooting changes or what was outlined in the patches?

The game changed drastically.... fast breaks have toned down heavily, no more long rebounds (long rebounds are a big part of nba especially with the increase of 3 pt shooting)
Players use to fight for rebs and even tip back rebs( they no longer do)
All loose ball fouls and over back fouls have disappeared.

[The 24th Letter]

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Are we saying gameplay isn’t changing or that it’s not changing drastically?

If you switched back and forth between an early version of the game and the current version, are we saying the only differences would be the shooting changes or what was outlined in the patches?

Gameplay patches happen

Hotfixes happen.

Indirect changes as a result of the above happen.

Is there a daily fluctuation of slider shifts “because online” or because 2K is personally invested in you losing game 47 of your MyLeague? That’s were I’d disagree.


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[Smirkin Dirk]

What happened to this game? They ruined it

The only change I’ve noticed is lack of long rebounds. But I don’t play online at all.


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[FixEverything2k]

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The game changed drastically.... fast breaks have toned down heavily, no more long rebounds (long rebounds are a big part of nba especially with the increase of 3 pt shooting)
Players use to fight for rebs and even tip back rebs( they no longer do)
All loose ball fouls and over back fouls have disappeared.

Yeah they patched the long rebounds out early.
I thought it was going to be just toned down but I’m not seeing much at all

Gameplay patches happen

Hotfixes happen.

Indirect changes as a result of the above happen.

Is there a daily fluctuation of slider shifts “because online” or because 2K is personally invested in you losing game 47 of your MyLeague? That’s were I’d disagree.


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Yeah man I think people are frustrated and the explanation of changes are either not descriptive enough or they are absent.

I’ll use shooting just as example

If the menu update isn’t touching shooting at all, can there be a quick note? Even a generic “General maintenance” or a note from someone saying “hey if shooting changes in these fixes we will say it” to stop the paranoia?

There’s too much going on in this game.

If the hotfixes boost or lower shot make percentages, then me having a slider for 3 point success or inside scoring success at 55 might give me different results before and after the hotfix, or is that not the case?

For Badge changes as well, if let’s say catch and shoot was giving a 5% boost, and half the base roster has bronze, then the sliders being set at let’s say 55 will give us different results if the badge gets a buff to a 15% boost.

So we have contest percentages, steal rates, badge strengths, make percentages, and I’m not sure what else that change throughout the cycle of the game through various methods.

If our solution to people’s complaints is to ‘play with the sliders’ then can we get some more assistance on how these changes might affect our sliders?

We’re not all Devs, what does a 55 3 point slider or steal success slider translate to atleast roughly? What about an 85? What about 25? Okay so if a change is made how do I keep whatever I had going on when sliders were set at 55? Do I put it down 5 or down 10?

If it’s expected that people just play and test it that’s fine, but if it’s going to mean 2 different things in the span of a month or 2 it would be nice if it was communicated better.

[topwater]

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The game changed drastically.... fast breaks have toned down heavily, no more long rebounds (long rebounds are a big part of nba especially with the increase of 3 pt shooting)
Players use to fight for rebs and even tip back rebs( they no longer do)
All loose ball fouls and over back fouls have disappeared.

One of the worst changes. Long rebounds can/did lead to loose ball stuff, which not only emulates realism but it adds to desperately needed organic turnovers, fastbreaks and more foul diversity. Not to mention the stats associated with all of those interactions. Another perfect example why there should be an online set of sliders and updates and a separate set for offline. Or tuners (similar to EA NHL) that you can use for offline play.

[moemoe24]

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Anyone else notice a difference in gameplay these last 2 days? It's extremely difficult and frustrating, the shooting is beyond annoying, I'm releasing the meter in the green window and either a perfect release won't register, or the green window will all of a sudden shrink as soon as I release it in green, the meter is either way too fast or way too slow and there's no way to tell when that's gonna happen, making contested shots even with great shooters is almost impossible, I've tried the game on different difficulty levels and different sliders and I'm getting blown out by 30 every game

This went from being one of the best 2ks ever gameplay wise to now one of the worst, I'm sick of these online mycareer crybabies always wining and having the devs change stuff up

Im not reading this whole thread but did see a couple people on the first page saying it doesnt play different than it did day 1.

I bought this game when released and really liked it. I always wait until this time of year to start my season so i hadnt played since the day it came out. I played today for the first time since and it has a completely different feel to it. Slow and clunky feeling. No matter what slider i adjusted it didnt make it any better.

[topwater]

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Im not reading this whole thread but did see a couple people on the first page saying it doesnt play different than it did day 1.

I bought this game when released and really liked it. I always wait until this time of year to start my season so i hadnt played since the day it came out. I played today for the first time since and it has a completely different feel to it. Slow and clunky feeling. No matter what slider i adjusted it didnt make it any better.

Anyone making claims that game play isn't noticeably different is being blatantly intellectually disingenuous. It's actually not a bad thing though, in that one can just disregard their posts going forward.

[ggsimmonds]

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Are we saying gameplay isn’t changing or that it’s not changing drastically?

If you switched back and forth between an early version of the game and the current version, are we saying the only differences would be the shooting changes or what was outlined in the patches?

I can't speak for everyone but my stance is that yes gameplay changes throughout the release cycle and sometimes significantly so. But at the same time the community is prone to be quick to attribute anything to that. Someone can have a bad shooting night and rather than acknowledge it was a bad shooting night, they will immediately jump online and scream that the game was significantly changed.

[vetmin]

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My two cents:

Every 2K (every patch of every 2K) provides an excellent virtual hoops experience, and throughout the year the game evolves / fluctuates far less drastically than the community makes it seem...

THAT SAID, objectively small changes on 2K's end (a little nerf / buff here or there) can be crazy tedious to account for, at least for sim-oriented players.

Shooting, for instance. Let's say you've been playing on the same patch for two months, and while you've had plenty of hot and cold shooting nights, you have a large enough sample to see that your sliders are on average hitting the sweet spot for realistic stats, while also giving you good gameplay.

One day you decide to update in order to get some new jerseys or courts, or to get a bug fix for some glitch that could potentially brick your MyNBA save, and upon jumping into a game it instantly feels like shooting is a little different. You of course can't be sure though until you play a handful of games at least, so you do, and eventually you conclude that 'yes, contested jump shooting has been slightly nerfed' (i.e., jump-shot contests have been slightly buffed). So you nerf your own jump-shot contact sliders slightly and play another handful of games to test it out. Contests still feel OP. So you nerf your shot-contest slider a bit as well and play another handful of games to test it out. Oh no, now moderate-to-heavily contested shots feel right, but lightly contested shots are now going in as if they were wide open. So you restore your old jump-shot contact slider settings but keep the nerfed shot-contest setting, in case maybe just adjusting that one will work. You play another handful of games.

...you get the idea. Even if the game is being tweaked in only very minor ways, it can take a lot of trial and error to optimally slider-adjust your way out of that tweak if you don't like it. Then what happens after a month when your game is back in balance to your taste and it again feels like you're in virtual hoops paradise? A new patch drops with a different minor tweak that messes up the balance you had achieved!

So yeah, NBA 2K is always fantastic and you can always slider-adjust your way to an extremely solid and realistic sim-sports experience, but slider settings are like a house of cards that take at least a few weeks to build, and you're building it in a wind tunnel that turns on once every few weeks :

People always talk about keeping their game in its Day 1 state, but IMO the best possible time to play an NBA 2K game is right when the next installment gets released. Launch day for 2K24 was the ideal time to switch from 2K22 to 2K23. As long it's not a moving target slider-wise, any NBA 2K game is amazing.

[m29a]

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I do think that in general, a lot of people build things up in their head and actively make their own experience worse because of attitude/or preconceived notions. I'm very guilty of this -- I had a fixed view of what the game "should" be that I was missing what it already is -- which is still a decent playing basketball game despite flaws and design decisions I don't agree with.

It can be powerful to let things go, focus on positives, and trying to enjoy things as they are -- and if I can't, then I move on from it. Easier said than done sometimes.