What happened to this game? They ruined it

[MoDaddy422]

Re: What happened to this game? They ruined it

I swear I’ve never experienced a bliss like I currently am by skipping a new 2K game. I always get the new game and spend countless hours and brainpower adjusting sliders after these patches or ghost patches. Dealing with new bugs etc. It’s always insanely stressful having to find a balance like how the game played at launch.

I’m on 2K23 and every time I boot it up the gameplay is consistent. Slider tweaks work as they should since no core changes are being made behind the scenes.

My courts are glossy and reflective and not like PS2 lighting. Players look sharp and not like clay. Players in the editor screen look like new gen graphics and not PS3 style lighting. I assume I’m using 30 gigs of less space.

If ignorance is bliss then ignoring a new 2K is bliss. Every year they adjust gameplay sooner and sooner. Every time a new 2K launches we say it’s the best playing ever. Then usually a couple weeks to a month later we say it’s ruined.

This year I swear I saw y’all saying this is the best playing 2K ever for literally a DAY before the patches started annoying everyone. It’s getting ridiculous.

I just wanna play ball and not chase under the hood changes. Only way to do that is with an old 2K.

Now when I read through Reddit or YouTube consensus starts to look like this is becoming the “worst” or most annoying 2K to play. And I’ve never seen a game unanimously considering to be a considerable graphical downgrade. From here to Reddit to YouTube, the graphics are joked about. Court editor it still screwed up, etc.

Proplay seems good, but still in teething stages and not good enough to compensate for the other issues from what I gather. And I’ve never seen a 2K go on sale or be free to play so soon. Every time I boot up 23 they’re bombarding me with discounts or free promos to get 24.

It’s wild.

Could not agree more with this sentiment. I am also still rocking 2k23 and have it playing damn near perfectly.

[m29a]

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There is always going to be some level of randomness/variance/unpredictability in sports. You could play the same match-up over and over again to get different results. That is part of why sports can be so enjoyable to follow -- if players shot the same exact % each game that'd likely get boring. There are going to be good games, and bad games across the board -- sometimes you'll think you notice a pattern when there isn't one.

Let's ask ourselves, what would be the incentive for developers to make these adjustments behind the scenes that apparently result in big swings in gameplay? I don't buy that, especially if someone claims it is happening on a regular basis (occasional tweaks are to be expected).

[dvir10]

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any once else noticed that since the last patch CPU players are shooting from the midrange-close range zone one handed layups instead of regular jump shots???
my problem with this is that the CPU misses way more then a regular jumper and second it's so easy to block making the gameplay so unrealistic and challenging

[mori_lucrum_]

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since my last comment in this thread, 2 days ago, i am fairly certain there have been at least 2 gameplay patches! i understand that they are trying to 'balance' things for the paying MyCareer customers (aka induce FOMO by constantly revaluing attributes), but it is truly nutty. fwiw i do play some mycareer (3v3 in the theatre), the game feels more 'consistent' there and my build can play to whatever the week's patch does to the game.



i think whats most frustrating is the elements of 24 are excellent, they could continue to screw with the MyCareer stuff and leave offline alone if they just stop changing what the numbers in the sliders mean every day.


since i'm in the mood for a dynasty mode, i actually fired up 23 with those peregrino all-time rosters today... the basketball gameplay itself is much much more solid, but the shooting in 24 (especially with the shot stick) is way more fluid. in 23, if you use the button to shoot you may not notice... but theres almost always a little hitch on the catch and shoot with the shot stick. i'll probably stick with 23 for awhile, even though the most recent 24 update seemed to fix some of my issues... theres a decent chance it'll change again in the next two days.

[AIRJ23]

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There is always going to be some level of randomness/variance/unpredictability in sports. You could play the same match-up over and over again to get different results. That is part of why sports can be so enjoyable to follow -- if players shot the same exact % each game that'd likely get boring. There are going to be good games, and bad games across the board -- sometimes you'll think you notice a pattern when there isn't one.

Let's ask ourselves, what would be the incentive for developers to make these adjustments behind the scenes that apparently result in big swings in gameplay? I don't buy that, especially if someone claims it is happening on a regular basis (occasional tweaks are to be expected).

Please can we stop with the “it’s all in your heads” stuff. 2K has been clearly and even openly tweaking stuff behind the scenes constantly. 2K23 kept changing for me conveniently until its last couple months when they moved onto promoting 2K24. They have tons of incentive to constantly shift gameplay. It forces kids to constantly spend more money and grind more to get their previously perfect myplayer to be able to play through the new changes. It’s certainly by design.

Could not agree more with this sentiment. I am also still rocking 2k23 and have it playing damn near perfectly.

Yep it’s playing absolutely perfect for me. There’s organic variables between games but no sudden drastic behind the scenes changes. And it just looks so damn good and rich in comparison.

[Gosens6]

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Game plays as good as it’s been for me. Honestly, I think some of y’all are just bad at the game and refuse to accept that fact.

[NYJin2011tm]

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Game plays as good as it’s been for me. Honestly, I think some of y’all are just bad at the game and refuse to accept that fact.

LOL…

I didn’t suddenly forget how to play the game, something changed.
I use the 80s Lakers and was 10-0 and stats were perfect for me. I play on Superstar and bumped CPU shooting sliders up and mine down a bit. I was 10-0 but games were mostly close. I would beat lesser teams by double digits but upper teams gave me a challenge. Not really surprised I was 10-0 because 80s Lakers were a great team. That was before recent patches and updates.

Now since I updated the player movements are weird. CPU has this weird turbo boost for close outs and rebounds. Using real% it’s just about impossible to hit a contested inside shot where as before it was fair. I would hit some and miss some.

[jeebs9]

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Game plays as good as it’s been for me. Honestly, I think some of y’all are just bad at the game and refuse to accept that fact.

Lol I try to leave room. Not everyone learns the changes. 2K doesn't do the greatest job of explaining the game changes or the mechanics very well.


Especially for my offline people who play the CPU. It's a feeling out situation. Sometimes it takes months. I totally get it.

[dnikafoeno]

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Game plays as good as it’s been for me. Honestly, I think some of y’all are just bad at the game and refuse to accept that fact.

Sometimes I wish people would post their gameplay videos so we can see what's going on. I agree with what the other poster said about randomness/variance cause I use to get caught in "slider hell" trying to adjust the game over every little thing to my preference when sports in real life is random!

Otherwise the gameplay is still good to me. Still seeing different animations with ProPlay.. I enjoyed getting cooked by the Clippers just this week with the Blazers.

[The 24th Letter]

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Since many here don’t know a lot of actual detail about the online game, it’s common to throw most issues under the “because MyPlayer” umbrella, when fact is the worlds don’t collide anywhere as much as you think they do.

Of course there are shared changes that occur and absolutely shift gameplay, usually following a seasonal patch…..but a lot of the wholesale changes I see talked about here literally cannot be tweaked daily, weekly or even by means of a standard update. A bit of it is indeed in your head and I genuinely hate to see guys think themselves out of enjoying the game. I’ve seen 4 page threads here talking about an aspect of the game that changed when the dev that works on that part of the game is literally on vacation, lol

To put it in perspective, if you’re still enjoying 2K23 because they stopped making changes in those last couple months…you’d be incorrect in that assumption …but I don’t want to spoil it for you.

Just a lawyer trying to provide some insight here.


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[dnikafoeno]

Re: What happened to this game? They ruined it

Since many here don’t know a lot of actual detail about the online game, it’s common to throw most issues under the “because MyPlayer” umbrella, when fact is the worlds don’t collide anywhere as much as you think they do.

Of course there are shared changes that occur and absolutely shift gameplay, usually following a seasonal patch…..but a lot of the wholesale changes I see talked about here literally cannot be tweaked daily, weekly or even by means of a standard update. A bit of it is indeed in your head and I genuinely hate to see guys think themselves out of enjoying the game. I’ve seen 4 page threads here talking about an aspect of the game that changed when the dev that works on that part of the game is literally on vacation, lol

To put it in perspective, if you’re still enjoying 2K23 because they stopped making changes in those last couple months…you’d be incorrect in that assumption …but I don’t want to spoil it for you.

Just a lawyer trying to provide some insight here.


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Well said, Mr.Lawyer.

[TexasRyan]

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I'm playing on Pro and something has definitely changed for the worse. I win most games by 30-40 but I like the way shooting is so I keep it that way. Now shooting is a lot worse. Yeah I'm still good enough to score 120 a game but it's not nearly as fun as it was like a couple of weeks ago. Role players have to be rediculous wide open to make a shot. Most superstars need a decent amount of space to be able to make a 3 now. Basically no more stepbacks and etc. It's a scoring league and they had it playing great.

[ggsimmonds]

Re: What happened to this game? They ruined it

Since many here don’t know a lot of actual detail about the online game, it’s common to throw most issues under the “because MyPlayer” umbrella, when fact is the worlds don’t collide anywhere as much as you think they do.

Of course there are shared changes that occur and absolutely shift gameplay, usually following a seasonal patch…..but a lot of the wholesale changes I see talked about here literally cannot be tweaked daily, weekly or even by means of a standard update. A bit of it is indeed in your head and I genuinely hate to see guys think themselves out of enjoying the game. I’ve seen 4 page threads here talking about an aspect of the game that changed when the dev that works on that part of the game is literally on vacation, lol

To put it in perspective, if you’re still enjoying 2K23 because they stopped making changes in those last couple months…you’d be incorrect in that assumption …but I don’t want to spoil it for you.

Just a lawyer trying to provide some insight here.


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I learned how real and powerful that was about 10 years ago when damn near the entire NCAA community convinced themselves that holding L2 on passes allowed for more precise leading or some kind of modifier I forget.

The lead designer even tried to come out and say its not real but the community was convinced and said he was wrong. According to them EA "accidentally" added a brand new feature

[AIRJ23]

Re: What happened to this game? They ruined it

Since many here don’t know a lot of actual detail about the online game, it’s common to throw most issues under the “because MyPlayer” umbrella, when fact is the worlds don’t collide anywhere as much as you think they do.

Of course there are shared changes that occur and absolutely shift gameplay, usually following a seasonal patch…..but a lot of the wholesale changes I see talked about here literally cannot be tweaked daily, weekly or even by means of a standard update. A bit of it is indeed in your head and I genuinely hate to see guys think themselves out of enjoying the game. I’ve seen 4 page threads here talking about an aspect of the game that changed when the dev that works on that part of the game is literally on vacation, lol

To put it in perspective, if you’re still enjoying 2K23 because they stopped making changes in those last couple months…you’d be incorrect in that assumption …but I don’t want to spoil it for you.

Just a lawyer trying to provide some insight here.


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2K23 was seeing dramatic changes in the midst of its span. The game started playing much more solid and consistent for me once it his it’s final months. I may have made to make some tweaks here or there but overall it clearly wasn’t being tuned dramatically. Since 2K24 launched 23 is playing its best imo because they’re not doing anything with it anymore.

The last change to 2K23 which happened in its final months I realized is players started shooting way more threes and bad circus threes. But being that the game is now in a solid state at least I can give core tunes to adjust that if I want.

These changes aren’t in people’s heads. That just makes no sense. It appears 90++% of players through all modes on forums report these changes. Nobody is saying who or why they happen. Maybe a dev isn’t needed. Maybe there’s internal slider and gameplay sets that automatically shift on a certain schedule to keep the online community guessing and paying. But something certainly happens in those overnight updates.

[The 24th Letter]

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I learned how real and powerful that was about 10 years ago when damn near the entire NCAA community convinced themselves that holding L2 on passes allowed for more precise leading or some kind of modifier I forget.

The lead designer even tried to come out and say its not real but the community was convinced and said he was wrong. According to them EA "accidentally" added a brand new feature

I remember poster telling a dev here “Well yeah, but I’ve been playing since Dreamcast”, lol

These changes aren’t in people’s heads. That just makes no sense. It appears 90++% of players through all modes on forums report these changes. Nobody is saying who or why they happen. Maybe a dev isn’t needed. Maybe there’s internal slider and gameplay sets that automatically shift on a certain schedule to keep the online community guessing and paying. But something certainly happens in those overnight updates.

Lol.

No maybes about it, that’s not how it works.

There’s a reason the reports of what has changed aren’t consistent. You’re free to believe what you believe though.


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