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  • Therebelyell626
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    • Mar 2018
    • 2883

    #16
    Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

    Originally posted by Real2KInsider
    BADGE CHANGES
    23 (+2) Paolo Banchero

    Paolo Banchero
    SILVER: Post Playmaker (ADD)
    BRONZE: Chase Down Artist (ADD)

    If you're curious why his OVR is so high (87) it's because they're fluffing it:
    98 Shot IQ
    98 Offensive Consistency
    98 Intangibles

    BIG MOVERS
    86 (+3) Jarrett Allen
    77 (+3) Trayce Jackson Davis
    73 (+3) Julian Champagnie
    72 (+5) AJ Lawson
    71 (+3) Neemias Queta
    70 (+3) Jontay Porter
    70 (+3) Dominick Barlow



    All but one of the movers in this update are fringe players who entered rotations.

    We're 45% of the way through the NBA season.
    Pretty much all of the minor movement has enough of a sample size at this point.
    I’m talking about movement from the last update to this one. Last update was in December and Cam Thomas was an 81, now he he’s minus two at 79. You mean to tell me 3 weeks of games is enough to lose to overall?

    I am not being combative, I am just genuinely curious as to what goes into these changes. Are they knee jerk reactions based on a few games or does more thought go into it?
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    • Real2KInsider
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      • Dec 2003
      • 4649

      #17
      Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

      Originally posted by Therebelyell626
      I’m talking about movement from the last update to this one. Last update was in December and Cam Thomas was an 81, now he he’s minus two at 79. You mean to tell me 3 weeks of games is enough to lose to overall?
      Um. YES.

      Cam Thomas thru 12/21 (18 games)
      24 PPG, 3 RPG, 2 APG (32 MPG)
      46 FG%, 39 3PT%, 84 FT%

      Cam Thomas 12/21 to 1/10 (10 games)
      14 PPG, 1 RPG, 2 APG (23 MPG)
      37 FG%, 27 3PT%, 76 FT%

      Moreover, Thomas LOST HIS STARTING JOB during this period.

      He missed TWENTY CONSECUTIVE shots at one point.

      If his rating isn't dropping, why bother updating ratings at all?

      I am not being combative, I am just genuinely curious as to what goes into these changes. Are they knee jerk reactions based on a few games or does more thought go into it?
      One third of a player's season is not "a few" games.

      Pretty much every player that went up/down 1-2 points is reflected within their production, and it's been that case for years.
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      • Real2KInsider
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        • Dec 2003
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        #18
        Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

        Originally posted by AIRJ23
        Oh the team leader has no effect on the teams record despite forcing trades and coach swaps year after year?
        Wow what do you know, another post where you don't mention a single attribute or explain how LeBron's play has declined since December 21st. More of the same useless garbage.


        Go look up what laker fans were saying about the current roster. Bragging endlessly. Christian wood is a third string ffs.
        As soon as you look up:

        Originally posted by Real2KInsider
        Please feel free to compare this to the likes of Kevin Durant (96), Stephen Curry (95), Jayson Tatum (94), Devin Booker (94), and Jimmy Butler (93). Let us know your findings!
        There's a reason you side-stepped this (aside from fear of having to discuss a non-LeBron player).

        (PRO TIP: What a team's LCD fans had to say about a roster has ZILCH to do with Attributes, Badges, etc - what you're ALLEGEDLY attempting to discuss).

        (You're not actually)

        MJ is a perfect example. Before injury, at 38/39, he was averaging 26/6/5 and had wizards in playoff running.
        Self-Awareness is not your forte.

        I mean if you ask me, put Steph or 40 year old MJ on this lakers roster with AD
        Thankfully, nobody did.

        Wizards 10th seed with Kwame brown as help is a lot different than 11th seed with Anthony Davis as help.
        Thought Experiment! Did the 2003 8th seed have the equivalents of Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, and Bradley Beal?

        (I realize this requires more thought than straight up comparing Kwame Brown to Anthony Davis and *expecting* to be taken seriously - which means this might be out of your realm of depth)
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        • jd@os
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          • Jul 2007
          • 3712

          #19
          Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

          Originally posted by AIRJ23
          Oh the team leader has no effect on the teams record despite forcing trades and coach swaps year after year?

          Sorry but 9th place in PER and 24.7 isn’t a 96 player.

          Go look up what laker fans were saying about the current roster. Bragging endlessly. Christian wood is a third string ffs.

          96 is a joke and any objective person not married to the bron legacy effect sees that.

          MJ is a perfect example. Before injury, at 38/39, he was averaging 26/6/5 and had wizards in playoff running. Even after injury he gets crapped on for averaging 23. That’s almost as much as Bron does now when teams are averaging *20ppg MORE* than the 02 dead ball era (lowest scoring ever). And still, no way did he deserve a 96 then. Efficiency arguments are meaningless as back then the defense was infinitely better and more physical and hand checking had yet to be banned, so of course players were less efficient than post rule change spaced out ball. Bron’s own efficiency back then was a career low 41%, efficiency suffered league wide, hence resulting rule changes.

          I mean if you ask me, put Steph or 40 year old MJ on this lakers roster with AD (currently #5 all time PER I believe) and they’re a top 4 seed. Wizards 10th seed with Kwame brown as help is a lot different than 11th seed with Anthony Davis as help.
          Remember what was on post #83 of the '96 Bulls vs '17 Warriors thread. It'll save you the trouble my man.

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          • pokexchespin
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            • Nov 2016
            • 7

            #20
            Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

            has 2k started updating tendencies while doing ratings updates? other than that one update last year where they accidentally ****ed up a bunch of 3pt tendencies, i swear they've always held steady the whole year (which has been frustrating, i remember walker kessler for example had a high 3pt tendency all last year because they made a stupid guess there) but just looking at a few players i've seen way more discrepancy between the tendencies i recorded them as having and the tendencies they do have.

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            • Redsdude
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              • Apr 2013
              • 128

              #21
              Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

              Just curious, what do you guys think about GG Jackson? What would you have him rated and where would you put his potential?
              He’s got excellent movement skills and a lot of good off dribble stuff for his size and build. Inefficient right now but aggressive and very young. I think he can be an asset for a Grizzly team who will simply need him to come off the bench for a few minutes a game.

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              • Real2KInsider
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                • Dec 2003
                • 4649

                #22
                Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

                Originally posted by pokexchespin
                has 2k started updating tendencies while doing ratings updates? other than that one update last year where they accidentally ****ed up a bunch of 3pt tendencies, i swear they've always held steady the whole year (which has been frustrating, i remember walker kessler for example had a high 3pt tendency all last year because they made a stupid guess there) but just looking at a few players i've seen way more discrepancy between the tendencies i recorded them as having and the tendencies they do have.
                Last year they actually made a mistake. They launched the game with 2022 tendencies, and then copy & pasted 2023 tendencies a month after launch. Unfortunately, J.J. Barea signed with the Mavericks for camp and this threw off the entire copy / paste since he wasn't on their sheet. As a result, half the players on the roster were one player off. I.e. Rudy Gobert had Karl-Anthony Towns' 3pt tendency, etc.

                AFAIK this year's tendencies are fine and meet the established scale.

                Originally posted by Redsdude
                Just curious, what do you guys think about GG Jackson? What would you have him rated and where would you put his potential?
                He’s got excellent movement skills and a lot of good off dribble stuff for his size and build. Inefficient right now but aggressive and very young. I think he can be an asset for a Grizzly team who will simply need him to come off the bench for a few minutes a game.
                He's played 21 NBA minutes so it's tough to say. Generally as a roster editor it's not worth worrying about 2-Way guys until they show something at the NBA level. It's always a crapshoot on whether a player drafted 45th makes it.
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                • jeebs9
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                  #23
                  Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

                  Originally posted by Real2KInsider
                  Um. YES.

                  Cam Thomas thru 12/21 (18 games)
                  24 PPG, 3 RPG, 2 APG (32 MPG)
                  46 FG%, 39 3PT%, 84 FT%

                  Cam Thomas 12/21 to 1/10 (10 games)
                  14 PPG, 1 RPG, 2 APG (23 MPG)
                  37 FG%, 27 3PT%, 76 FT%

                  Moreover, Thomas LOST HIS STARTING JOB during this period.

                  He missed TWENTY CONSECUTIVE shots at one point.

                  If his rating isn't dropping, why bother updating ratings at all?



                  One third of a player's season is not "a few" games.

                  Pretty much every player that went up/down 1-2 points is reflected within their production, and it's been that case for years.
                  With Cam I can sightly understand why. I think we've talk about this extensively in the past. But Cam is Cam. Is he on a bad streak yes? Without a doubt. But has he changed from his core game? No. Cam is going to get shots up [emoji1787]. But I think he's a bad example.

                  How did Tyrese Hailburton drop one point in his overall? I can't even tell (taking a quick look at his ratings) But on the court nothing has changed. He's injuried now.

                  I've always been in the favor of dropping rating when a player has a huge sample of playing bad. Basketball is a game of runs. NBA rosters shouldn't drop off a cliff either. Consistency does change. I think that what should be the focus of roster changes. In the game a players ratings can go up or down during the game.

                  I think of a player like Caris LeVert. He's had huge games over the years. But never tapped into that long term. Rating him correctly is close to impossible.
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                  • Real2KInsider
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                    • Dec 2003
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                    #24
                    Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

                    Originally posted by jeebs9
                    With Cam I can sightly understand why. I think we've talk about this extensively in the past. But Cam is Cam. Is he on a bad streak yes? Without a doubt. But has he changed from his core game? No. Cam is going to get shots up [emoji1787]. But I think he's a bad example.
                    Is he going to make the shots? You can't say he should go up in rating when the shots are going in but then dismiss it when they don't.

                    How did Tyrese Hailburton drop one point in his overall? I can't even tell (taking a quick look at his ratings) But on the court nothing has changed. He's injuried now.
                    As I've continually said, 1 point of OVR is standard fluctuation. This is the first update where Haliburton didn't go up two points.

                    Haliburton up to 12/20
                    25 PPG, 4 RPG, 12 APG
                    50 FG%, 42 3PT%, 87 FT%

                    Haliburton 12/21 to 1/10
                    21 PPG, 5 RPG, 14 APG
                    48 FG%, 36 3PT%, 85 FT%

                    So there was a slight dip in his shot making, particularly his 3-ball.


                    I've always been in the favor of dropping rating when a player has a huge sample of playing bad. Basketball is a game of runs. NBA rosters shouldn't drop off a cliff either. Consistency does change. I think that what should be the focus of roster changes. In the game a players ratings can go up or down during the game.
                    A player going down 2 points isn't dropping off a cliff. Players go up in rating way more than they go down. Cam Thomas started the year at a 76. You can't bring him up 6 points in one shot and then not scale him back once he's off the hot streak.

                    I think of a player like Caris LeVert. He's had huge games over the years. But never tapped into that long term. Rating him correctly is close to impossible.
                    LeVert's actually been remarkably consistent in a sense - his volume/role might change but his inefficiency doesn't. And it's far from impossible lol.
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                    • Real2KInsider
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                      #25
                      Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

                      Have some time this morning:

                      2023 LeVert
                      85 Driving Layup: 96-180 FG (53 FG%, 32 AST%, 2.9 FGA/36)
                      65 Driving Dunk: 30-32 FG (94 FG%, 67 AST%, 0.5 FGA/36)
                      73 Close Shot: 76-220 FG (35 FG%, 29 AST%, 3.5 FGA/36)
                      70 Mid-Range: 5-21 FG (24 FG%, 40 AST%, 0.3 FGA/36) - Career 34 FG%
                      86 3PT Shot: 127-324 FG (39 FG%, 71 AST%, 5.2 FGA/36)

                      The most important number here isn't the FG%. This is what I realized when I started tracking this in a sheet. 2K would factor volume for a handful of star players, but wasn't doing it for the middle class. 2K for example would give LeVert the same 3pt rating as another 39% shooter with a 95% AST rate (Isaac Okoro was a 37% shooter but they don't have close to the same shot diet).

                      It bares noting that 2023 was an uncharacteristically low volume season for LeVert (19% USG, Career Avg is 24%). He didn't have the same on-ball opportunities sharing the court w/ Mitchell/Garland (while also posting a career high 3pt% playing w/ them). Yet this data mostly shows he didn't change his shot profile much, he just had fewer opportunities.

                      2022 LeVert
                      85 Driving Layup: 113-208 FG (54 FG%, 35 AST%, 4.2 FGA/36)
                      65 Driving Dunk: 20-20 FG (100 FG%, 80 AST%, 0.4 FGA/36)
                      93 Close Shot: 174-394 FG (44 FG%, 21 AST%, 8.0 FGA/36)
                      75 Mid-Range: 10-27 FG (37 FG%, 30 AST%, 0.5 FGA/36)
                      79 3PT Shot: 82-256 FG (32 FG%, 63 AST%, 5.2 FGA/36)

                      Beyond his diet of short mid-rangers, everything else was stable (2023 Close ultimately being an outlier). His volume was otherwise unchanged.
                      Was more efficient w/ his 3-ball in 2023, in part because he had slightly better shot selection.

                      2024 LeVert
                      85 Driving Layup: 52-102 FG (51 FG%, 35 AST%, 4.4 FGA/36
                      70 Driving Dunk: 13-13 FG (100 FG%, 69 AST%, 0.6 FGA/36)
                      84 Close Shot: 55-136 FG (40 FG%, 33 AST%, 5.8 FGA/36)
                      70 Mid-Range: 2-7 FG (29 FG%, 0 AST%, 0.3 FGA/36)
                      82 3PT Shot: 57-164 FG (35 FG%, 70 AST%, 7.0 FGA/36)


                      Garland has missed half the season + finally embracing 6th man role to get him more on-ball reps.
                      Close shot is a happy medium of the two extremes.
                      Career high in 3pt volume indicates he did improve as a shooter, last year's 3pt% wasn't just a fluke.
                      Note how consistent he was as a finisher over this 3-year period.

                      Getting caught up in big games is how one would make things hard. LeVert scored a season-high 41 points last year w/ Garland out. He scored 1 point in the very next game. He is both of those players. Shooting variance is precisely why you can't base a rating off one game, or a player's 5 best games.
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                      • Real2KInsider
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                        • Dec 2003
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                        #26
                        Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

                        So now, let's do Cam Thomas. I had him at 81 OVR well before this season (dating back to last year), because his shot creation is really high-level once you get past the surface level stuff and get into badges. He was the only SG I ever had to tank the Intangibles rating for at a time when SGs were typically coming in 2-3 points too low.

                        2022 Cam Thomas
                        75 Driving Layup: 36-75 FG (48 FG%, 50 AST%, 2.3 FGA/36)
                        40 Driving Dunk: 0-1 FG (0 FG%, 0 AST%, 0.0 FGA/36)
                        99 Close Shot: 107-199 FG (54 FG%, 45 AST%, 6.1 FGA/36)
                        90 Mid-Range: 33-76 FG (43 FG%, 24 AST%, 2.3 FGA/36)
                        73 3PT Shot: 47-174 FG (27 FG%, 70 AST%, 5.3 FGA/36)

                        Right from the jump Cam has been an elite mid-range threat. Which is very clear when you compare him to someone like LeVert. He's one of a small handful of players who even take 2+ true Mid-Rangers per 36
                        His finishing and 3pt shot were questionable though and these are swing skills on whether he can be a starting level NBA player (his playmaking and defense will never be good enough).

                        2023 Cam Thomas
                        85 Driving Layup: 43-72 FG (60 FG%, 37 AST%, 2.7 FGA/36)
                        55 Driving Dunk: 5-5 FG (100 FG%, 40 AST%, 0.2 FGA/36)
                        86 Close Shot: 84-207 FG (41 FG%, 33 AST%, 7.9 FGA/36)
                        93 Mid-Range: 27-59 FG (46 FG%, 22 AST%, 2.2 FGA/36)
                        85 3PT Shot: 51-133 FG (38 FG%, 45 AST%, 5.1 FGA/36)

                        Three ball came on in a big way. 45% Assist rate is way more impressive than the 38 3pt% which probably doesn't hold over a larger sample. Still, a 10% improvement through that level of shot creation means he did improve as a shooter.

                        Finishing improved, though the sample was still a bit low.

                        And the mid-range scoring remained stable. This is like peak Jamal Crawford / Lou Williams type of volume scoring.

                        2024 Cam Thomas
                        85 Driving Layup: 60-103 FG (53 FG%, 47 AST%, 4.5 FGA/36)
                        45 Driving Dunk: 1-1 FG (100 FG%, 100 AST%, 0.0 FGA/36)
                        94 Close Shot: 100-228 FG (44 FG%, 29 AST%, 9.9 FGA/36)
                        86 Mid-Range: 20-58 FG (35 FG%, 45 AST%, 2.5 FGA/36) - Career 42%
                        82 3PT Shot: 55-156 FG (35 FG%, 71 AST%, 6.8 FGA/36)

                        Volume is up even higher, but his FG% is down as a result. Unfortunately the pendulum has swung a bit too far.

                        Cam is 10th in USG%, but 181st in TS% (out of 198 qualifiers)
                        And unlike other players carrying large offensive loads, he gives you next to nothing as a playmaker (126th in Assist rate).

                        Right now he is basically the answer to "what if Russell Westbrook couldn't pass"
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                        • jeebs9
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                          #27
                          Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

                          Originally posted by Real2KInsider
                          Is he going to make the shots? You can't say he should go up in rating when the shots are going in but then dismiss it when they don't.



                          As I've continually said, 1 point of OVR is standard fluctuation. This is the first update where Haliburton didn't go up two points.

                          Haliburton up to 12/20
                          25 PPG, 4 RPG, 12 APG
                          50 FG%, 42 3PT%, 87 FT%

                          Haliburton 12/21 to 1/10
                          21 PPG, 5 RPG, 14 APG
                          48 FG%, 36 3PT%, 85 FT%

                          So there was a slight dip in his shot making, particularly his 3-ball.




                          A player going down 2 points isn't dropping off a cliff. Players go up in rating way more than they go down. Cam Thomas started the year at a 76. You can't bring him up 6 points in one shot and then not scale him back once he's off the hot streak.



                          LeVert's actually been remarkably consistent in a sense - his volume/role might change but his inefficiency doesn't. And it's far from impossible lol.
                          His stat dropped a little. So that means drop his rating. Especially a high level players like him. Curry shooting ratings don't ever move. Because he's the best of all time.
                          Originally posted by Real2KInsider
                          Have some time this morning:

                          2023 LeVert
                          85 Driving Layup: 96-180 FG (53 FG%, 32 AST%, 2.9 FGA/36)
                          65 Driving Dunk: 30-32 FG (94 FG%, 67 AST%, 0.5 FGA/36)
                          73 Close Shot: 76-220 FG (35 FG%, 29 AST%, 3.5 FGA/36)
                          70 Mid-Range: 5-21 FG (24 FG%, 40 AST%, 0.3 FGA/36) - Career 34 FG%
                          86 3PT Shot: 127-324 FG (39 FG%, 71 AST%, 5.2 FGA/36)

                          The most important number here isn't the FG%. This is what I realized when I started tracking this in a sheet. 2K would factor volume for a handful of star players, but wasn't doing it for the middle class. 2K for example would give LeVert the same 3pt rating as another 39% shooter with a 95% AST rate (Isaac Okoro was a 37% shooter but they don't have close to the same shot diet).

                          It bares noting that 2023 was an uncharacteristically low volume season for LeVert (19% USG, Career Avg is 24%). He didn't have the same on-ball opportunities sharing the court w/ Mitchell/Garland (while also posting a career high 3pt% playing w/ them). Yet this data mostly shows he didn't change his shot profile much, he just had fewer opportunities.

                          2022 LeVert
                          85 Driving Layup: 113-208 FG (54 FG%, 35 AST%, 4.2 FGA/36)
                          65 Driving Dunk: 20-20 FG (100 FG%, 80 AST%, 0.4 FGA/36)
                          93 Close Shot: 174-394 FG (44 FG%, 21 AST%, 8.0 FGA/36)
                          75 Mid-Range: 10-27 FG (37 FG%, 30 AST%, 0.5 FGA/36)
                          79 3PT Shot: 82-256 FG (32 FG%, 63 AST%, 5.2 FGA/36)

                          Beyond his diet of short mid-rangers, everything else was stable (2023 Close ultimately being an outlier). His volume was otherwise unchanged.
                          Was more efficient w/ his 3-ball in 2023, in part because he had slightly better shot selection.

                          2024 LeVert
                          85 Driving Layup: 52-102 FG (51 FG%, 35 AST%, 4.4 FGA/36
                          70 Driving Dunk: 13-13 FG (100 FG%, 69 AST%, 0.6 FGA/36)
                          84 Close Shot: 55-136 FG (40 FG%, 33 AST%, 5.8 FGA/36)
                          70 Mid-Range: 2-7 FG (29 FG%, 0 AST%, 0.3 FGA/36)
                          82 3PT Shot: 57-164 FG (35 FG%, 70 AST%, 7.0 FGA/36)


                          Garland has missed half the season + finally embracing 6th man role to get him more on-ball reps.
                          Close shot is a happy medium of the two extremes.
                          Career high in 3pt volume indicates he did improve as a shooter, last year's 3pt% wasn't just a fluke.
                          Note how consistent he was as a finisher over this 3-year period.

                          Getting caught up in big games is how one would make things hard. LeVert scored a season-high 41 points last year w/ Garland out. He scored 1 point in the very next game. He is both of those players. Shooting variance is precisely why you can't base a rating off one game, or a player's 5 best games.
                          You know me man. I just want to be able to play like the player plays in real life.

                          What I meant by fall off a cliff. I was talking about the overall rosters of each team.
                          Originally posted by Real2KInsider
                          So now, let's do Cam Thomas. I had him at 81 OVR well before this season (dating back to last year), because his shot creation is really high-level once you get past the surface level stuff and get into badges. He was the only SG I ever had to tank the Intangibles rating for at a time when SGs were typically coming in 2-3 points too low.

                          2022 Cam Thomas
                          75 Driving Layup: 36-75 FG (48 FG%, 50 AST%, 2.3 FGA/36)
                          40 Driving Dunk: 0-1 FG (0 FG%, 0 AST%, 0.0 FGA/36)
                          99 Close Shot: 107-199 FG (54 FG%, 45 AST%, 6.1 FGA/36)
                          90 Mid-Range: 33-76 FG (43 FG%, 24 AST%, 2.3 FGA/36)
                          73 3PT Shot: 47-174 FG (27 FG%, 70 AST%, 5.3 FGA/36)

                          Right from the jump Cam has been an elite mid-range threat. Which is very clear when you compare him to someone like LeVert. He's one of a small handful of players who even take 2+ true Mid-Rangers per 36
                          His finishing and 3pt shot were questionable though and these are swing skills on whether he can be a starting level NBA player (his playmaking and defense will never be good enough).

                          2023 Cam Thomas
                          85 Driving Layup: 43-72 FG (60 FG%, 37 AST%, 2.7 FGA/36)
                          55 Driving Dunk: 5-5 FG (100 FG%, 40 AST%, 0.2 FGA/36)
                          86 Close Shot: 84-207 FG (41 FG%, 33 AST%, 7.9 FGA/36)
                          93 Mid-Range: 27-59 FG (46 FG%, 22 AST%, 2.2 FGA/36)
                          85 3PT Shot: 51-133 FG (38 FG%, 45 AST%, 5.1 FGA/36)

                          Three ball came on in a big way. 45% Assist rate is way more impressive than the 38 3pt% which probably doesn't hold over a larger sample. Still, a 10% improvement through that level of shot creation means he did improve as a shooter.

                          Finishing improved, though the sample was still a bit low.

                          And the mid-range scoring remained stable. This is like peak Jamal Crawford / Lou Williams type of volume scoring.

                          2024 Cam Thomas
                          85 Driving Layup: 60-103 FG (53 FG%, 47 AST%, 4.5 FGA/36)
                          45 Driving Dunk: 1-1 FG (100 FG%, 100 AST%, 0.0 FGA/36)
                          94 Close Shot: 100-228 FG (44 FG%, 29 AST%, 9.9 FGA/36)
                          86 Mid-Range: 20-58 FG (35 FG%, 45 AST%, 2.5 FGA/36) - Career 42%
                          82 3PT Shot: 55-156 FG (35 FG%, 71 AST%, 6.8 FGA/36)

                          Volume is up even higher, but his FG% is down as a result. Unfortunately the pendulum has swung a bit too far.

                          Cam is 10th in USG%, but 181st in TS% (out of 198 qualifiers)
                          And unlike other players carrying large offensive loads, he gives you next to nothing as a playmaker (126th in Assist rate).

                          Right now he is basically the answer to "what if Russell Westbrook couldn't pass"
                          I appreciate all of this. Really I do.

                          But Cam Thomas has been a bucket since day one in the league. The fact that his rating started that low is insane. You couldn't play with Cam like this


                          Could I play with Thomas like that year of 2K? Hell no.

                          But again. I'm not trying to have a back and forth. You are right.
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                          • Real2KInsider
                            MVP
                            • Dec 2003
                            • 4649

                            #28
                            Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

                            Originally posted by jeebs9
                            But Cam Thomas has been a bucket since day one in the league. The fact that his rating started that low is insane. You couldn't play with Cam like this


                            Could I play with Thomas like that year of 2K? Hell no.

                            But again. I'm not trying to have a back and forth. You are right.
                            I have 22 Badges on Cam Thomas dating back the last two years, and most of them in the Silver/Gold range.

                            2K Sports?
                            2K22: 1
                            2K23: 1 (Bumped up to 6 on Feb 17th)
                            2K24: 5 (Bumped up to 12 on Nov 9th)

                            This is all based on 2K's scales & NBA shooting data, not my own conception. They are a year behind and never go as far as they should.

                            EDIT: All the data posted in this topic is directly from my roster spreadsheet
                            Last edited by Real2KInsider; 01-14-2024, 12:33 AM.
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                            • Redsdude
                              Rookie
                              • Apr 2013
                              • 128

                              #29
                              Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

                              Originally posted by Real2KInsider
                              Last year they actually made a mistake. They launched the game with 2022 tendencies, and then copy & pasted 2023 tendencies a month after launch. Unfortunately, J.J. Barea signed with the Mavericks for camp and this threw off the entire copy / paste since he wasn't on their sheet. As a result, half the players on the roster were one player off. I.e. Rudy Gobert had Karl-Anthony Towns' 3pt tendency, etc.

                              AFAIK this year's tendencies are fine and meet the established scale.



                              He's played 21 NBA minutes so it's tough to say. Generally as a roster editor it's not worth worrying about 2-Way guys until they show something at the NBA level. It's always a crapshoot on whether a player drafted 45th makes it.

                              Put up 20 in over 20 minutes tonight. I’m aware he hasn’t played and I’m not disputing ratings. Just curious as to where you guys would have him. Can score at all 3 levels and is very athletic. Young and immature tho. Tons of potential but also the floor of an inefficient g leaguer

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                              • SirShaffty
                                Rookie
                                • Jan 2023
                                • 30

                                #30
                                Re: NBA 2K24 - 4th Official Rating Update - 1.11.2024

                                Some "easy mistakes" I´ve found...


                                OG Anunoby

                                2k Freethrow rating 68
                                reality shooting 82% for the season


                                Peyton Watson
                                2k block rating 80
                                reality averaging 0.8 blocks/game


                                Kawhi Leonard
                                2k steal rating 70 / block 60

                                reality averaging steals 1.74/game; blocks 0.83/game; while averaging only 1.63 fouls/game

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