A Deeper Understanding of Rhythm Shooting

[Smirkin Dirk]

Re: A Deeper Understanding of Rhythm Shooting

Ive been on the practice court for hours this morning.

You get much better results on difficult shots (stepback etc) with high risk, rhythm shooting if you take the time to learn your dudes jumpshots.

Good luck to those who want to use the rhythm stick in PNO with different teams.

[clinthc0003]

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I would do this, you will get a pump fake more often than not. It’s one direction than the opposite direction smoothly. I’m not sure what 2k considers with rhythm though. Arms or flick of wrist, or both?

Why would you get a pump fake? Say we're doing a down-up style rhythm shot. I pull the stick down and hold it until I'm at my setpoint in my jumpshot (step 1, already past pump fake at this point), I release the stick and let it BRIEFLY go back to neutral (step 2), I flick the stick up (step 3).

In my experience if you spend too much time at step 2 it will just send off a normal jump shot if you are not quick enough to do the step 3 "flick". In faster jumpshots, you can't do this though, there's not enough time. But for some slower jumpshots and some of the advanced shots like step backs, pull ups, etc I find the 3 step approach works better sometimes. There have been jumpshots where I can't move the stick slow enough to make the shot feel natural if I try to do it with a smooth motion.

Ive been on the practice court for hours this morning.

You get much better results on difficult shots (stepback etc) with high risk, rhythm shooting if you take the time to learn your dudes jumpshots.

Good luck to those who want to use the rhythm stick in PNO with different teams.

Same, the wider green windows can really be felt on high risk with this. I almost counter intuitively think it may be better to practice jumpshots on low or normal risk because the window for an excellent release is smaller. So what could be a "slightly early" on low risk could fall within the larger excellent window on "high risk". This is the problem with segmenting shots into buckets (Very Early, Slightly Early, Excellent, etc.); it doesn't give us precise data to adjust to.

[Goffs]

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Almost the whole Knicks squad I couldn't get the hang of rhythm shooting lol. OG is the only player that I can figure out his shooting motion.

[sirjam]

Re: A Deeper Understanding of Rhythm Shooting

Why would you get a pump fake? Say we're doing a down-up style rhythm shot. I pull the stick down and hold it until I'm at my setpoint in my jumpshot (step 1, already past pump fake at this point), I release the stick and let it BRIEFLY go back to neutral (step 2), I flick the stick up (step 3).

In my experience if you spend too much time at step 2 it will just send off a normal jump shot if you are not quick enough to do the step 3 "flick". In faster jumpshots, you can't do this though, there's not enough time. But for some slower jumpshots and some of the advanced shots like step backs, pull ups, etc I find the 3 step approach works better sometimes. There have been jumpshots where I can't move the stick slow enough to make the shot feel natural if I try to do it with a smooth motion.




Same, the wider green windows can really be felt on high risk with this. I almost counter intuitively think it may be better to practice jumpshots on low or normal risk because the window for an excellent release is smaller. So what could be a "slightly early" on low risk could fall within the larger excellent window on "high risk". This is the problem with segmenting shots into buckets (Very Early, Slightly Early, Excellent, etc.); it doesn't give us precise data to adjust to.

Ex try a moving fade not a step back. If you let off the stick and let it go neutral it will fake, I can do it if I just move down and smoothly move it up.

[The 24th Letter]

Re: A Deeper Understanding of Rhythm Shooting

Ive been on the practice court for hours this morning.

You get much better results on difficult shots (stepback etc) with high risk, rhythm shooting if you take the time to learn your dudes jumpshots.

Good luck to those who want to use the rhythm stick in PNO with different teams.

It’s funny but for me, rhythm shooting actually simplifies playing with various teams…


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[clinthc0003]

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Ex try a moving fade not a step back. If you let off the stick and let it go neutral it will fake, I can do it if I just move down and smoothly move it up.

Which player or animation specifically are you talking about?

I'm not saying you should do that every time, but for slower shots or shots where they are quick to get to the setpoint but hold it there for a minute before releasing (like the Kobe vid I put a few posts back, a leaning fade), I find the method I describe works the best.

If you have a consistent shot doing one smooth motion by all means keep at it. I wouldn't do this if I was using someone like Curry with a really quick release.

Once again to reiterate, the only things that matter (I think based off of what I've seen) are the two timing points. When you release the stick after initiation (like me releasing the 2 button on the keyboard, the "Push timing portion") and when you move the stick to the extreme on the flick (like me pressing 8 on the keyboard, the "Tempo" timing).

[jeebs9]

Re: A Deeper Understanding of Rhythm Shooting

Ive been on the practice court for hours this morning.

You get much better results on difficult shots (stepback etc) with high risk, rhythm shooting if you take the time to learn your dudes jumpshots.

Good luck to those who want to use the rhythm stick in PNO with different teams.

I've had no problem using it in PNO. This was the second time I've used the Lakers. This guy played a zone

https://x.com/jeebs9/status/1839034531799499059?t=5_fJ9U317hqCcOnOJ01-zw&s=19

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