Quitting MTO - too frustrating experience

[kabamaru]

Re: Quitting MTO - too frustrating experience

I play more PNO now.

Unfortunately, playing with a specific teams create problems in how you play

example I play 4-1 so I need stretch PF. Most of the teams do not have stretch PF. Especially historic ones

However MOST of the other problems are quite fixed.

Teams are almost equal if you choose playing against teams from same tier, so you don't need to worry about facing highly OP squads

You do not need to worry about black courts, clashing jerseys etc.

How difficult is to use that SAME jersey selector in MTO too?

Cheese is a bit lower (at least in my early leagues as all teams have weaknesses)

Of course the game becomes a bit more boring using and facing the same squds over and over, plus historic teams have 8-9 man rosters

[Foldzy]

Re: Quitting MTO - too frustrating experience

I play more PNO now.

Unfortunately, playing with a specific teams create problems in how you play

example I play 4-1 so I need stretch PF. Most of the teams do not have stretch PF. Especially historic ones

You need to adjust your freelance to your team in PNO not the other way around, even in MTO i'm always changing my sets depending on who is on the floor

I took a break after losing the first game of my league while trying to go undefeated to a team that was virtually unbeatable (messaged the guy said he had lost 3 games all time!) switched to Blacktop and haven't gone back since. I wish they'd make each individual game more rewarding.

[Bi00]

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I'm mid way through amethyst league and I think it's time to take a break. Paint passes and big to big assists are getting a little ridiculous. I'm not happy with how difficult it is to defend against such tactics.

I can take away the PnR and set attached for the guarding center. But when the forced pass still makes it more than half the time over a defensive specialist like Wallace just kills any drive to play. Even worse is the big to big paint passing that everyone spams.

It wouldn't be so bad if I could adjust to it but it isn't happening. Play the center, play the guard, block the driving path, manual/auto steal, it just isn't as consistent as it should be. At this point, I need to replace my bigs with just HUGE models that literally take up too much space to ignore. There is something wrong with the gameplay when its more reliable to stop a pass with the back of Muresan's fat head than a manual steal with Wallace.

[harryl]

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Does anyone know of any YouTube videos showing this Big-to-Big paint play? I've never encountered it, myself, and I'm curious about what it looks like...

[justlaze]

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I'm usually not the one ranting a lot about my own gameplay experiences but I just witnessed such hilarious game where the Equalizer was so obvious. I just felt like I can do what ever I want the game is meant to favorize the opponent who was 3 leagues under me.

I was leading by 10 until he started to come back at the end of 3rd then 4th got completly out of hand.

a) Every contested shot from range went in
b) Every FT was made by his Wallace (6!)
c) My Alonzo missed 2 non contested lay-ups in the 4th which NEVER happened until then
d) Every lose ball got magically in his hand when my guy stood as close as his player

The list goes on. This was hilarious. You would laugh seeing this bs.
I took multiple timeouts, tried to fight the equalizer and momentum cheese, but no...the emerald tryhard gotta come back so he won't lose interest in the game right? I mean this is such scripted bs I have absolutely no clue why I put so much effort or money in this. I srsly pray EA makes a better Basketball game. Screw 2K along with all the money-grabbing from theme pack prices and their ****ty scripted gameplay.

[Bi00]

Re: Quitting MTO - too frustrating experience

Does anyone know of any YouTube videos showing this Big-to-Big paint play? I've never encountered it, myself, and I'm curious about what it looks like...

Sampham has a intro to flow offense that has some of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZOZxuOA_j4. But it's rarely this clean or structured. The most simple method is back down with a big then call a manual cut on the other big and force the pass. It's the AI positioning of the other big defender that usually screws up and allows the pass.

[harryl]

Re: Quitting MTO - too frustrating experience

Sampham has a intro to flow offense that has some of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZOZxuOA_j4. But it's rarely this clean or structured. The most simple method is back down with a big then call a manual cut on the other big and force the pass. It's the AI positioning of the other big defender that usually screws up and allows the pass.

Thanks! Now I have a better idea of how to envision it, even from just your description. That sort of move to the inside by the non-ballhandling big is basically unstoppable because the CPU is too sloppy about fighting for position in the paint when it comes to non-ballhandling players.

Lame to be forced to play a novelty lineup to counter novelty cheese, but how viable is a Manute + Bradley frontcourt, offensively, if one counters it with two big elite defending centers?

What's the best defensive strategy...let the CPU guard the ballhandling big and manual the other big to keep the off-ball opponent big out of the paint? I feel like I wouldn't mind letting a CPU Dikembe or even DeAndre defend a Bol or Bradley trying to post up.

Or are these guys able to just simply lob pass to each other, over defenders?

[Bi00]

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I'm basically switching between the two bigs constantly fixing their positioning. Post game this year is really strong so you have to play the post man at the moment of their shot.

I think my front court just needs a major upgrade. My stretch 4s so far have been a huge defensive liability. I think it's time to try lineups with 2 full time paint stoppers. Too often, I manually bring in my PF to contest the paint and they do absolutely nothing. I'll probably jump back into MTO after I upgrade my frontcourt to defensive beasts and play my own flow motion sets.

[harryl]

Re: Quitting MTO - too frustrating experience

I'm basically switching between the two bigs constantly fixing their positioning. Post game this year is really strong so you have to play the post man at the moment of their shot.

I think my front court just needs a major upgrade. My stretch 4s so far have been a huge defensive liability. I think it's time to try lineups with 2 full time paint stoppers. Too often, I manually bring in my PF to contest the paint and they do absolutely nothing. I'll probably jump back into MTO after I upgrade my frontcourt to defensive beasts and play my own flow motion sets.

I haven't been able to play many games but find it rare to face two true big. Usually the 4 is a stretch 4.

So I have a cheap lineup on which I have LMA, to throw in and work guys like Durant and PG13 in the paint.

Just got Elvin Hayes and looking forward to doing same with him.

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[Bi00]

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I'm having fun again in MTO. I went to a flow offense and now I run plays on 80% of my possessions. I have 2-3 different plays that I run for 1, 2, or 3 and focus mostly on improving my play execution and decision making.

Defense is still a crapshoot but I'm having more success with positioning my PF to help out against 1-5 PnR. I'm going to replace my C position to big guys with HoF rim protector as well.

The only frustrating thing in my last couple of games if my lack of understanding of inbound plays. A couple of times I had no idea who I was passing and threw slow lob turnovers to the far corner player. Is there anyway to practice inbound plays in 2KU? :|

[Hyoranzo]

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I'm near quitting too. Had my first taste of 2-3 zone just before. Every possession, I broke own the zone, but unfortunately, it was clear that 2k didn't want me to win as I bricked all my wide open 3s. Let's not forget that every time my player went to slash, he'd stumble and go into one of those long animations. Why bother playing when 2k doesn't reward you for playing smart? Just turbo into the paint like my opponent did. If it's not a dunk, it's a bail out foul.