Wingspan/Speed formula

[chunt04]

Re: Wingspan/Speed formula - Xbox Uno - GT Max1000000

Lol the formula really is pretty difficult. That's why I decided to just handle the organization of it hahaha


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[Neon1]

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These are way off 100 on a 6'8" player is a 7'7" wingspan. It 8'2" on a 7'2 player.

[Pandetta]

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Awesome Hyperballer, those look flawless. Thank you for the time spent.

[Neon1]

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I updated the formula to make it more consistent with the Kaanyr Vhok's

Dante Exum 76 54 36
Elfrid Payton 63 71 33
Jordan Clarkson 38 86 38
Marcus Smart 78 56 33
Shabazz Napier 44 72 42
Spencer Dinwiddie 69 47 42
Tyler Ennis 74 62 32
Zach LaVine 39 77 42
C.J. Wilcox 72 70 29
Gary Harris 36 94 36
Joe Harris 28 66 53
Jordan Adams 88 56 28
Markel Brown 82 60 29
Nick Johnson 59 77 32
Nik Stauskas 37 65 49
Russ Smith 66 54 41
Andrew Wiggins 88 36 38
Bruno Caboclo 100 36 13
Cleanthony Early 47 85 34
Damien Inglis 88 66 23
Damjan Rudez 68 46 43
Devin Marble 43 71 43
Doug McDermott 34 72 47
Jabari Parker 58 76 33
James Ennis 81 59 31
James Young 78 66 28
Jerami Grant 100 60 19
K.J. McDaniels 74 72 27
Kostas Papanikolaou 41 59 51
Rodney Hood 11 79 56
Shane Edwards 88 56 28
T.J. Warren 49 67 42
Aaron Gordon 47 75 39
Adreian Payne 88 66 23
Cameron Bairstow 52 70 39
Cory Jefferson 51 79 36
Eric Moreland 96 54 26
Grant Jerrett 78 56 33
Jarnell Stokes 39 97 32
Johnny O'Bryant 59 87 27
Julius Randle 53 71 38
Kyle Anderson 87 65 24
Mitch McGary 58 56 43
Noah Vonleh 79 77 22
Patric Young 22 100 34
Joel Embiid 98 46 28
Jusuf Nurkic 63 61 38
Lucas Nogueira 100 46 23

Notice is example for his Jabari Parkerin the post below is the exact same as above. I used the same ratios to come up with the numbers above.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...&postcount=116

The scale you are using makes Dante Exum 6'6 with a 7'2 Wingspan. It gives 6'9 Bruno Coboclo a 7'9 wingspan Joel Embiid 7-0 250 has a 8'0 Wingspan on that scale.

You have to take each players height into effect. The scale changes based on a players height. The numbers you guys are using are far too high or way too low in most cases. This is what they should look like. 2K now confirms the wingspans in the scouting mode. That is how you know if your scale is correct or not. It will tell you what the players wingspan is.

R.Hibbert 7-2 282 (49/32/25) = 7'5 wingspan
Embiid 7-0 250 (60/30/20) = 7'5 wingspan

Vonleh 6-9 247 (70/30/23) = 7'4 wingspan
A.Nicholson 6-10 234 (66/29/25) = 7'4 wingspan
D.Dedmon 6-11 239 (59/29/24) = 7'4 wingspan

A.Gordon 6-9 220 (50/27/26) = 7'0 wingspan
B.Coboclo 6-9 200 (85/38/21) = 7'7 wingspan

E.Payton 6-4 185 (56/24/27) = 6'8 wingspan
Stauskas 6-7 207 (41/26/27) = 6'8 wingspan
Marble 6-6 192 (49/25/26) = 6'8 wingspan

[Hyperballer21]

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The scale you are using makes Dante Exum 6'6 with a 7'2 Wingspan. It gives 6'9 Bruno Coboclo a 7'9 wingspan Joel Embiid 7-0 250 has a 8'0 Wingspan on that scale.

You have to take each players height into effect. The scale changes based on a players height. The numbers you guys are using are far too high or way too low in most cases. This is what they should look like. 2K now confirms the wingspans in the scouting mode. That is how you know if your scale is correct or not. It will tell you what the players wingspan is.

R.Hibbert 7-2 282 (49/32/25) = 7'5 wingspan
Embiid 7-0 250 (60/30/20) = 7'5 wingspan

Vonleh 6-9 247 (70/30/23) = 7'4 wingspan
A.Nicholson 6-10 234 (66/29/25) = 7'4 wingspan
D.Dedmon 6-11 239 (59/29/24) = 7'4 wingspan

A.Gordon 6-9 220 (50/27/26) = 7'0 wingspan
B.Coboclo 6-9 200 (85/38/21) = 7'7 wingspan

E.Payton 6-4 185 (56/24/27) = 6'8 wingspan
Stauskas 6-7 207 (41/26/27) = 6'8 wingspan
Marble 6-6 192 (49/25/26) = 6'8 wingspan

Are you using a certain formula to get those numbers? Or is this what 2k has in the game?

How does it look, visually?

[Neon1]

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Are you using a certain formula to get those numbers? Or is this what 2k has in the game?

How does it look, visually?

What I did was take the differential (Wingspan vs Barefoot Height) and multiplied that number by 5.

Then I add that number to a starting base off 28.5.



Example: Jahlil Okafor in no shoes is 6'10.75" (82.75 inches) with a 7'6.25 (90.25 inches) wingspan. You need to take away 1.25 inches off the listed height to account for shoes (81.50 no shoes).

That's a difference of +8.75

90.25 - (82.75-1.25) = +8.75 wingspan

8.75 x 5 = 43.75

43.75+28.5 = 72.25 (72)

A 72 wingspan on a player listed at 6'11 is 7'6". I used this for every player in the league and draft picks, it works perfectly. There are only a couple instances where you have to tweak a guy (Ben Gordon 6'9 wingspan on 6'2 height, he is always 6'7 or 6'8)

[Neon1]

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Are you using a certain formula to get those numbers? Or is this what 2k has in the game?

How does it look, visually?

The game tells you what it is. If you want to check for yourself, start a draft class and give a few guys your measurements (heights and body measurements) and then start a franchise and look at their measurements in the scout prospects portion.

All the numbers I gave you 8'0 wingspan etc, are from checking your numbers through the game.

[J_Posse]

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The game tells you what it is. If you want to check for yourself, start a draft class and give a few guys your measurements (heights and body measurements) and then start a franchise and look at their measurements in the scout prospects portion.

All the numbers I gave you 8'0 wingspan etc, are from checking your numbers through the game.

Any chance you'll be making a spreadsheet with the remaining NBA players added? I would love to add this to my MyLeague file I'm currently playing.

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[chunt04]

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The game tells you what it is. If you want to check for yourself, start a draft class and give a few guys your measurements (heights and body measurements) and then start a franchise and look at their measurements in the scout prospects portion.

All the numbers I gave you 8'0 wingspan etc, are from checking your numbers through the game.

All of this was done last year when 2K did not utilize the body edit portion for any player. We had to create our own scale and utilize it for the entire league. Your method seems to be based off of the new game, which is great. If you can, post a spreadsheet for all to incorporate into this year's rosters. I do not trust that 2k has fully utilized this option to differentiate players out of the box.

Even if the data from our efforts last year is skewed, it is still used for every player in the league and is effective in giving the correct people large wingspans. It gives a good relative representation of the entire league.

[chunt04]

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What I did was take the differential (Wingspan vs Barefoot Height) and multiplied that number by 5.

Then I add that number to a starting base off 28.5.



Example: Jahlil Okafor in no shoes is 6'10.75" (82.75 inches) with a 7'6.25 (90.25 inches) wingspan. You need to take away 1.25 inches off the listed height to account for shoes (81.50 no shoes).

That's a difference of +8.75

90.25 - (82.75-1.25) = +8.75 wingspan

8.75 x 5 = 43.75

43.75+28.5 = 72.25 (72)

A 72 wingspan on a player listed at 6'11 is 7'6". I used this for every player in the league and draft picks, it works perfectly. There are only a couple instances where you have to tweak a guy (Ben Gordon 6'9 wingspan on 6'2 height, he is always 6'7 or 6'8)

Neon, what do you use for your body length and shoulder width values?

[toliveanddieinsf]

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The scale you are using makes Dante Exum 6'6 with a 7'2 Wingspan. It gives 6'9 Bruno Coboclo a 7'9 wingspan Joel Embiid 7-0 250 has a 8'0 Wingspan on that scale.

You have to take each players height into effect. The scale changes based on a players height. The numbers you guys are using are far too high or way too low in most cases. This is what they should look like. 2K now confirms the wingspans in the scouting mode. That is how you know if your scale is correct or not. It will tell you what the players wingspan is.

R.Hibbert 7-2 282 (49/32/25) = 7'5 wingspan
Embiid 7-0 250 (60/30/20) = 7'5 wingspan

Vonleh 6-9 247 (70/30/23) = 7'4 wingspan
A.Nicholson 6-10 234 (66/29/25) = 7'4 wingspan
D.Dedmon 6-11 239 (59/29/24) = 7'4 wingspan

A.Gordon 6-9 220 (50/27/26) = 7'0 wingspan
B.Coboclo 6-9 200 (85/38/21) = 7'7 wingspan

E.Payton 6-4 185 (56/24/27) = 6'8 wingspan
Stauskas 6-7 207 (41/26/27) = 6'8 wingspan
Marble 6-6 192 (49/25/26) = 6'8 wingspan

The formula definitely works. Its not about how they look in the edit player page. Its about how they look on the court. And they look great. The wingspans are a huge part of basketball an these new wingspans definitely affect the game in a whole new way.

Thanks to all who did this!

[Hyperballer21]

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The formula definitely works. Its not about how they look in the edit player page. Its about how they look on the court. And they look great. The wingspans are a huge part of basketball an these new wingspans definitely affect the game in a whole new way.

Thanks to all who did this!

Which formula are you referring to?

[Pandetta]

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Which formula are you referring to?

The formula used by the OP (pg.1 & 12 I believe).

While the scale may be off, the primary concern is that there is consistency across the roster.
Greater accuracy would be a clear improvement of course.

[Neon1]

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Neon, what do you use for your body length and shoulder width values?

Shoulders are (weight / height in inches)*10


I am in between figuring out if I should use the body values I have from last year (the ones you see in the mid 20's) or if the need to be flipped.

By flipped I mean 75 instead of 25, 70 instead of 30 etc. The body forms look longer this year and are the mid 20's body ratings are making them look like they are all legs.

The average human's legs are 45% of the body length. NBA players are not quite the "average" human though. I'm thinking maybe I should make it 51%?


6-11 260 (7'4.5 wingspan) Nik Vucevic 60/31/24 or 60/31/76?
6-11 244 (7'2.5 wingspan) Channing Frye 54/29/25 or 54/29/75?

6-2 192 (6'8.5 wingspan) Ben Gordon 70/27/28 or 70/27/72?
6-2 167 (6'3 wingspan) Luke Ridnour 40/23/31 or 40/23/69?


I think the bigger body looks more normal, Why don't you guys input these numbers for these 4 guys, check them out in freestyle mode and let me know which looks more correct?

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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Quick update for 2k15. I might have more. The devlopers system isnt bad they just didnt apply it hardly in 2k14. Now they are applying to everyone its just underdone. The good thing about it is it factors shoulder size and muscle more. To me its viable as a base. I have more of an issue with 2k15's speed ratings. They are still based on height and position.