NBA 2k15 team play book thread

[vannwolfhawk]

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Guys, remember for now these are rough drafts. Just trying to get quick rough draft playbooks out. We will nail them down as we go. That being said I've already made some changes to spurs playbook I will post later. Jattnaga gave some great feedback in pm after watching 3 CPU vs CPU games. Minor changes but it will lead to more authentic action.

Again, I will get warriors, kings, cavs, and blazers up soon as I have rough drafts for them done as well. I'm really curious to test the cabs with their new action and see how it translates in game. I gave the cavs a ton of great motion option plays along with some chin and elbow action trying to replicate the read and react in their offense. With cavs it will be interesting and we might want to put low play calling so they can freelance a but more than other teams. Again, just need to test it...

Looking forward to more feedback and seeing more input from you guys on team specific stuff. I think my next team will be the macs and flow offense...

[vtcrb]

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Looking forward to seeing some stuff on the Bucks, Raptors and Suns. Hint Hint. LOL. Just messing with you buddy. I am happy with whatever order you go in.

[RipCity71252]

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Just a rough draft, but here's the playbook I put together based on the video.

PNR
Fist Down 4 Short
Fist Down 5 Short
Angle 19 Fist Down (Not included in the video, but ran a couple in trans)

PNR Fade Mid
Elbow Give 35 Fist Out (Not loving how the CPU is executing this)

PNR Option
Angle CNR
Thru Fist
90' Spread 14 Fist

Post Up Low
Thru Punch

Post Up High
Swing Strong 3 High
Wide High

Cutter
Elbow Dive 2

Mid Range
Floppy
90' Flex 1 Quick
Hawk 3 Quick

3PT
Thru Quick 3
Elbow Quick (Not included in video but ran one for Casspi)

[vannwolfhawk]

Re: NBA 2k15 team play book thread

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Just a rough draft, but here's the playbook I put together based on the video.

PNR
Fist Down 4 Short
Fist Down 5 Short
Angle 19 Fist Down (Not included in the video, but ran a couple in trans)

PNR Fade Mid
Elbow Give 35 Fist Out (Not loving how the CPU is executing this)

PNR Option
Angle CNR
Thru Fist
90' Spread 14 Fist

Post Up Low
Thru Punch

Post Up High
Swing Strong 3 High
Wide High

Cutter
Elbow Dive 2

Mid Range
Floppy
90' Flex 1 Quick
Hawk 3 Quick

3PT
Thru Quick 3
Elbow Quick (Not included in video but ran one for Casspi)

Great stuff! I just finished kings playbook (rough draft) today and have everyone of those actions in it. I think you will like it. I'll post tonight and you can review it and let me know any changes you think need to be done. Videos like this are great!!! If you find anymore of these please post here... Thanks!!!

[RipCity71252]

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Great stuff! I just finished kings playbook (rough draft) today and have everyone of those actions in it. I think you will like it. I'll post tonight and you can review it and let me know any changes you think need to be done. Videos like this are great!!! If you find anymore of these please post here... Thanks!!!

I actually made the video, lol.

Looking forward to seeing what you put together.

[jattnanga]

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I've been really diving deep into coach kerr's new warriors system as vann knows and here's what I found after charting the first 3 preseason games.

They ran each of the following plays at the following frequency.

I realize its preseason but without access to practices, its all we have to go from at this point.

Entries in Half Court
Thru Weak Motion (Thru 12, Thru Power, Thru Punch) - 14 times
01 52 Quick Fist Down - 12 times
Swing Strong Quick 2 - 11 times
Swing Strong Quick 1 Fist - 10 times
Zipper 1 Quick - 8 times
Tri Top 12 Quick - 7 times
Pistol Give 35 Fist Down - 4 times
90 14 Fist 3 Quick - 4 times
Tri Wing 35 Fist - 3 times
Swing Strong 42 Quick - 3 times
Zipper Fist Down - 3 times
Zipper Fist Quick 24 - 3 times
Swing Strong 2 Ice - 2 times
Tri Wing 15 Punch - 2 times
Thru Fist - 2 times
Horns 15 Fist Punch - 1 time
Horns 4 Get 3 Quick - 1 time
Horns Quick 21 - 1 time
89 Chin Floppy - 1 time

Used As Both Entries and Secondary Sets (after primary action failed to gain an advantage)
Horns 53 Quick - 12 times
Angle 4 Fist - 8 times
Horns Away Mid - 6 times
Horns Flex 42 Quick - 4 times
Horns Fist 5 Dive - 3 times

Freelance Actions in Halfcourt or After Quick Push after make
65 Elbow 53 Give - 11 times
Punch - 9 times
Ice 12 - 5 times
Spread Fist 15 Punch - 4 times
Wide Quick 12 - 3 times
Angle 19 Fist Down - 1 time
Wide Quick 13 - 1 time

The Following Players Had the Most Playcalls
Klay 34, Steph 28, HB 17, Iguodala 16, Barbosa 14, Dlee 10, Rush 10, Nedovic 9, Justin Holiday 6, Bogut 5

This last bit of data doesn't mean much in terms of how they play in real life as the spacing dictates some of this, but can be useful in terms of tweaking tendencies down the road to make sure they are running authentic actions even though the player the play is called for doesn't often take the shot as something else opens up (unless its klay, in which case you know its going up haha)

[dubnation01]

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I've been really diving deep into coach kerr's new warriors system as vann knows and here's what I found after charting the first 3 preseason games.

They ran each of the following plays at the following frequency.

I realize its preseason but without access to practices, its all we have to go from at this point.

Entries in Half Court
Thru Weak Motion (Thru 12, Thru Power, Thru Punch) - 14 times
01 52 Quick Fist Down - 12 times
Swing Strong Quick 2 - 11 times
Swing Strong Quick 1 Fist - 10 times
Zipper 1 Quick - 8 times
Tri Top 12 Quick - 7 times
Pistol Give 35 Fist Down - 4 times
90 14 Fist 3 Quick - 4 times
Tri Wing 35 Fist - 3 times
Swing Strong 42 Quick - 3 times
Zipper Fist Down - 3 times
Zipper Fist Quick 24 - 3 times
Swing Strong 2 Ice - 2 times
Tri Wing 15 Punch - 2 times
Thru Fist - 2 times
Horns 15 Fist Punch - 1 time
Horns 4 Get 3 Quick - 1 time
Horns Quick 21 - 1 time
89 Chin Floppy - 1 time

Used As Both Entries and Secondary Sets (after primary action failed to gain an advantage)
Horns 53 Quick - 12 times
Angle 4 Fist - 8 times
Horns Away Mid - 6 times
Horns Flex 42 Quick - 4 times
Horns Fist 5 Dive - 3 times

Freelance Actions in Halfcourt or After Quick Push after make
65 Elbow 53 Give - 11 times
Punch - 9 times
Ice 12 - 5 times
Spread Fist 15 Punch - 4 times
Wide Quick 12 - 3 times
Angle 19 Fist Down - 1 time
Wide Quick 13 - 1 time

The Following Players Had the Most Playcalls
Klay 34, Steph 28, HB 17, Iguodala 16, Barbosa 14, Dlee 10, Rush 10, Nedovic 9, Justin Holiday 6, Bogut 5

This last bit of data doesn't mean much in terms of how they play in real life as the spacing dictates some of this, but can be useful in terms of tweaking tendencies down the road to make sure they are running authentic actions even though the player the play is called for doesn't often take the shot as something else opens up (unless its klay, in which case you know its going up haha)

Thank you for this work.

I never played the game growing up, so my understanding of plays is lacking. Question: the warriors seem to be using Bogut at the elbow more this pre-season. He's able to use his passing, but is also driving at times where the defense shows no respect. How do I get this action from set plays in game?

[jattnanga]

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Thank you for this work.

I never played the game growing up, so my understanding of plays is lacking. Question: the warriors seem to be using Bogut at the elbow more this pre-season. He's able to use his passing, but is also driving at times where the defense shows no respect. How do I get this action from set plays in game?

So a quick little note for my post above that applies to this question as well...in game, you will need to set all players on the warriors roster as play initiators except kuzmic and ezeli. in 2k15 this translates as the bigs pushing the ball in transition after the rebound, this alone will help to create the dynamic style of the warriors that has bogut with the ball in his hands more often.

@dubnation01 its tough to have cpu players break the action of a called play and drive until the play breaks. however, as a user you always have the option to do as you please.

so with many of the horns sets listed above and 65 elbow 53 give among others (any swing strong plays where the ball is reversed through a big at the top of the key)...the action will go through bogut as a facilitator at the high post and as the user you always have the option of breaking off the play at any time to drive if you see an advantage...or maybe with bogut you fake a handoff (by using a fake pass) to a cutter and then spin middle for a hook or layup.

so my recommendation at this point is to manually enter the warriors playbook once vann posts it here or private message me and i can give what i have (which is basically listed above albeit not broken down by play type) and find the plays where the first pass is to bogut at high post and practice those in scrimmage.

last note, the majority of the plays with bogut at the high post with the ball are midrange plays for wing players, so you won't be calling a play for bogut, but you will be playing through him and allowing him to be involved in whichever way you see suitable on a given possession (shoot, drive, pass)

i plan on posting some videos of what i've been running with the dubs to this point and i'll be sure to include a clip where bogut takes advantage of the defense cheating off of him.

[vtcrb]

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What do you guys Set Run Plays as in Coach Profiles?

[vannwolfhawk]

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I actually made the video, lol.

Looking forward to seeing what you put together.

Great job with video! Anyway you can do that for 29 other teams? Lol!

I just entered warriors and kings and was almost done and iPad froze and I lost my post! So pissed! I'll redo tomorrow as I'm super annoyed I just typed all that up and lost it! For surely I will post 2mo. I'm gonna go try and get 2 more play books done tonight...

[vannwolfhawk]

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What do you guys Set Run Plays as in Coach Profiles?

To be honest I haven't tested this yet. I've heard conflicting stories about the slider. Hyper said it worked like the higher the number the more apt the CPU is to run play all the way through. Someone else tested and said at low number they ran no sets. I'd assume it's run plays being high means more sets and plays ran. Personally I'd set a but lower than normal because of the great work czar did with freelance offenses. So the spurs are out of the box at 95 but I'd say 75-80 maybe to let freelance run.

Teams with 3-2 or 4-1 though I'd probably set a tad higher as the action is basic. But pace, triangle, and swing teams should take advantage of the great system and let tendencies in your guys rosters play a bigger role. I'll definitely test these after all teams are complete though!

[vannwolfhawk]

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I've got to say Katanga and ripcity have posted and sent me some great stuff! Huge help! Keep it coming guys!

I know time is an issue for everyone so what if we all tag teamed and had 10 teams to scout and review and share feedback here? As long as I know sets and action I can review my notes and get the right plays in. It would save me a ton of time if I only had to watch and scout 10 teams as opposed to 30 and we could lock this down super fast and be ready for regular season opener. The most time consuming part is watching games and taking notes.

Let me know fellas...

[jattnanga]

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I can definitely help with a couple of teams to help cut down your workload and get this thing rolling quicker. Here are the teams I'm definitely able to contribute with during this next week or so:

Chicago, Minny, Denver, Detroit, Philly, Washington, Clippers, Lakers, Atlanta

That's 9 teams plus the ones already done by vann and contributors. If someone else picks up a few teams we should be able to be done by opening night or shortly thereafter.

i'm yet to fully immerse myself into the triangle this year...which i'll have to some for the lakers, so i may be able to help some with the knicks as well (although i'm already dreading the thought of watching dalembert sloppily shaping up along the line of deployment and operating on the block)

[vannwolfhawk]

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I can definitely help with a couple of teams to help cut down your workload and get this thing rolling quicker. Here are the teams I'm definitely able to contribute with during this next week or so:

Chicago, Minny, Denver, Detroit, Philly, Washington, Clippers, Lakers, Atlanta

That's 9 teams plus the ones already done by vann and contributors. If someone else picks up a few teams we should be able to be done by opening night or shortly thereafter.

i'm yet to fully immerse myself into the triangle this year...which i'll have to some for the lakers, so i may be able to help some with the knicks as well (although i'm already dreading the thought of watching dalembert sloppily shaping up along the line of deployment and operating on the block)

Awesome! I won't even worry about those teams then BUT I have watched 3 laker pre season games and taken notes so I have a pretty good grasp on their action plus I'm a huge laker fan (from early 80's). Do you want to swap out lakers for maybe the Knicks? I know more people know that offense way better than I. I do have all triangle plays tested and jotted down in notes though...

I will take Dallas, lakers, raptors, blazers, warriors, spurs, kings, grizzlies, rockets, cavs, jazz, bucks, and Charlotte.

That would leave pelicans, suns, thunder, heat, magic, nets, and celtics to be last that hopefully someone can knock out by the time we get around to them.

[jattnanga]

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yes no problem taking the knicks with you already having a good feel for the lakers. I need to do the triangle anyway for 90s bulls (which i typically don't play too much with till after the finals in june), but i'll have a head start.

i've read tex winter's triple post offense and have been studying the triangle for years, i even ran it in 2k14 with the spacing based freelance playcalling i've been describing to you, but the challenge is to get the cpu to play that way.

i just played the cpu knicks with the default playbook and it was interesting to say the least...melo got his touches but it didn't feel like playing against the triangle at all despite the playbook being populated with 100% triangle plays as i only saw the moment of truth once (when it should occur on nearly all non-transition possessions), they called almost excusively specials. run plays are at 80 on default for the knicks.

i then played another game against them with run plays at 0 to allow the freelance the chance to shine and it was really good. there were some sloppy actions but overall had a very organic zen-ish feel and melo was featured more because in freelance play is where tendencies can play a bigger role.

so i think less is going to be more with the knicks, give them some specials, add some plays to clean up the action, but mostly keep run plays low and let the freelance do its thing, this will be take some testing to find the balance but my gut feeling says as low as 20 or 30 right now because the triangle freelance was excellent in moments. i would love a second opinion on this from anyone.

update: after testing the triangle plays, i am now thinking even a like 10-15 for run plays. they feel very contrived and take away from the dynamicness that the freelance gives the computer in terms of where the next pass goes, with the plays, it takes an extra second or two for the cpu to get into freelance true triangle actions after the play is run which really stagnates play. there only around 12 or 13 plays which feel right, there are other blind pig options and moment of the truth reads in the game not listed as triangle play set that we can surely plug in but the triangle set plays don't feel quite right for the most part while the freelance is outstanding.