NBA X’s & O’s

[Michael Corleone]

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Does anyone know why Vann is not posting anymore? Hopefully nothing bad happened to him. Maybe he just got exhausted from the whinny people from discord when he was still very active. Specifically that one dude from Ps5

[vannwolfhawk]

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Does anyone know why Vann is not posting anymore? Hopefully nothing bad happened to him. Maybe he just got exhausted from the whinny people from discord when he was still very active. Specifically that one dude from Ps5

Lol I’m good! Still alive.

Actually right after I finished editing the game last November and right after I started to put the finishing touches on each team play style I came across a few teams that were hard coded & no matter what I did it didn’t matter as I couldn’t get teams to play as themselves. I had players playing like themselves but not teams. So teams like the suns were not playing like the suns, never called a play for Booker, everything ran for Paul. So I shelved the game and haven’t even turned it on since. Just killed it for me. Sad bcus I thought it was best playing 2k ever once they fixed d rotations and after tendency edits. Plus I spent 2 months non stop editing it too. I did have plans to go through the 100 plays added later in cycle as there was some good stuff in there. The other thing that was driving me crazy though was the non stop updates meant I was constantly having to tweak sliders every day or 2. I’m praying they separate that as I won’t buy another 2k until they do. You get the game playing great 1 day then the update kills it and your back at square 1. 2 really big immersion killers for ME.

But yes some whiny discorders also rubbed me the wrong way too! You know the ones, my supposed clients. Lol

Anyways, sorry I went M.I.A. I do these for myself and just happen to share it on here. So typically once I’m done I’m out and riding off into the sunset to enjoy the game. But hope everyone has enjoyed the game this year. This is 1st time I’ve been to this forum so not sure the pulse on the game or how the patches ended up?

Also for those asking about videos. Idk why they went away? I never took them down. Maybe they disappear after a certain time? But I think they were stored on the discord channel? Maybe check there? Or download my OG roster and look at those? That’s Xbox x though. But obviously teams rosters have changed and we have seen some different trends with teams this year.

Anyways, I’ll pop back in around release to see what’s new.

[JBCAROLINAKID]

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Lol I’m good! Still alive.

Actually right after I finished editing the game last November and right after I started to put the finishing touches on each team play style I came across a few teams that were hard coded & no matter what I did it didn’t matter as I couldn’t get teams to play as themselves. I had players playing like themselves but not teams. So teams like the suns were not playing like the suns, never called a play for Booker, everything ran for Paul. So I shelved the game and haven’t even turned it on since. Just killed it for me. Sad bcus I thought it was best playing 2k ever once they fixed d rotations and after tendency edits. Plus I spent 2 months non stop editing it too. I did have plans to go through the 100 plays added later in cycle as there was some good stuff in there. The other thing that was driving me crazy though was the non stop updates meant I was constantly having to tweak sliders every day or 2. I’m praying they separate that as I won’t buy another 2k until they do. You get the game playing great 1 day then the update kills it and your back at square 1. 2 really big immersion killers for ME.

But yes some whiny discorders also rubbed me the wrong way too! You know the ones, my supposed clients. Lol

Anyways, sorry I went M.I.A. I do these for myself and just happen to share it on here. So typically once I’m done I’m out and riding off into the sunset to enjoy the game. But hope everyone has enjoyed the game this year. This is 1st time I’ve been to this forum so not sure the pulse on the game or how the patches ended up?

Also for those asking about videos. Idk why they went away? I never took them down. Maybe they disappear after a certain time? But I think they were stored on the discord channel? Maybe check there? Or download my OG roster and look at those? That’s Xbox x though. But obviously teams rosters have changed and we have seen some different trends with teams this year.

Anyways, I’ll pop back in around release to see what’s new.

Good to see your ok Van. Your playbooks are the best I've ever come across and your rosters were as close as anyone could get them to realistic. Hopefully we can get you back one day soon

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[taildog]

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Vann we got to start this up again for 23!


NBA 2K23 - OFFICIAL TRIANGLE SYSTEM THREAD

[vannwolfhawk]

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Vann we got to start this up again for 23!


NBA 2K23 - OFFICIAL TRIANGLE SYSTEM THREAD

I haven’t even looked at them yet today but you know I will! Busy weekend but will probably start testing on Monday. Let me know what you got for those Bulls and Lakers Triangle!

[vannwolfhawk]

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Well, I got all the modern teams rough draft playbooks tested, plugged in, and done. I will add more as the pre season begins and the start of the season, but it gives me a great base already with teams running their stuff from last year outside of the new coaches.

The game already played great but it’s so much better now imo. I’m about 3/4 of the way done with all the modern era tendency edits as well, and all the advanced rotations are also done. Should be done in a week or 2 as far as the tendencies go. But then I’ll need to see about signature edits from those who are the experts in that area. Most of the work I did last year carried over except a few tendency changes (things like the contested ranges as this year because of window being more open the contests don’t trigger as contests), so it’s all testing each team 1 by 1 now and tweaking. It’s playing great after locking in some sliders finally. My goal is to get modern era done as fast as possible so I can get to the next project below.

That being said and the reason for all that is I also started diving into my era team playbooks today. There is some amazing plays in there for the classic teams. My plan is to create every year from 1983 to 2004. Real rosters. And I’m doing playbooks for them as well. As always, there are still some plays that are slow, too long to develop, don’t work, have bad spacing (not because of the era but because it’s just bad), etc. There are just better plays with better spacing and the same action that can be used instead. Plus there are better option plays for the cpu AI & the user if something breaks down you have a backup option. For example 86 Bo’s 13 Quick has Bird on a curl but if you don’t make the pass it flows into him coming off a double stagger as a backup option. Another one is 86 quick 3 elevator which has bird coming through elevator but if not it then goes immediately into a post up. The Jazz have a play 91 punch 3 fist 3 that has Stockton coming off a pnr but if nothing comes of it it flows into mailman in the post. Things like that.

This game is incredible! Top to bottom! It’s the GOAT imo. The depth of this game is insane! I have found myself lost in game modes, Jordan challenge, my eras, playbooks, tendencies, modern era games, trying all the classic players out, etc. I have been so lost I was up til 4am the other night and had no idea!The Myera’s teams and players are so well done! I have found myself smiling while playing a few times.

Some examples, when I was getting destroyed by Patrick Ewing and his fadeaway (which is near perfect btw). Same with Kevin Mchale. Then they killed it with guys like Jeff Malone, Mark Price, John Stockton, Chris Mullin, Moses Malone, and not to mention magics post game, passing, & layups! I could go on and on with the immersion and details throughout! Plus I haven’t even tapped the surface by getting to play all the teams yet.

The post game is the best it’s ever been imo. It took me awhile to get as sometimes I got different contested shots but it was my fault As I wasn’t reading the shoulder the defender was playing me on. Once I figured that out it was all over. Kareem’s & magics hook’s, Ewing, Olajuwon, & Mchale’s fades. Birds stepback.

The defense in Myera is also incredible. I’m seeing x outs, double teams on drives, in the post on the catch, and physicality. All while still having freedom of movement. It’s weird we don’t get the same in the modern era although it’s still good as well for me.

Another thing with the my era post up plays. There are some great real plays throughout all the playbooks, but some put the player deep on the low block so you miss out on the awesome post game moves that are in this year as they are so deep on the block. So picking the ones which have a higher post up above the block and just outside the paint that also has good spacing goes a long ways! I want to see Mchale, Bird, Ewing, and Olajuwon’s fadeaways. The deeper block ends up in more layup animations and drop steps. It also allows Kareem’s & Magic’s hook shots to be more prevalent.

This era is my era (80’s & 90’s). Having this mode and the detail that they put in it just means I will have this game in my console for years to come so it’s worth the time to get it right. I want Worthy in wing ISO’s, Dale Ellis coming off screens, Magic in mouse action (they have a couple in for him already but there is another that gets a ONR from the post as well), etc. They got a lot of teams right and I was like wow when playing. The 91 cavs were awesome and Price was killing me! Stockton & mailman along with Jeff Malone was another awesome team with great actions! The 80’s Lakers & Celtics had a ton of great plays but half of them could be taken away and replaced. A few teams I was a little disappointed in was the bad boy pistons and both Sonics teams books. The 90’s Knicks was not great either. I still have to dive into a ton of teams but this project is on!

I think I can get away with using similar playbooks for multiple teams too. For example, teams with similar types of players. Think John Stockton & Mark Price who were similar. Or Karl Malone & Chris Webber on more PNPops. I can’t get 20 years of every teams playbooks but I will get all the top teams for each year or teams with star players. So let’s say 85-87 I really want to make sure the Mavs, Nuggets, Rockets, & Jazz are all solid as they are all so different. It will be easier to create a playbook for teams who had most of the same personnel for a few years. Payton & Kemp, Stockton & mailman, etc. their role players were always similar to fit into their systems so their playbooks didn’t change much. Of course same coaches too. I don’t expect to do a playbook for a team like the San Diego Clippers. What I will do though is give them a playbook based on their personnel and fits their personnel. So I’ll have maybe 5-10 generic playbooks for teams like that.

My plan is to work on the playbooks and wait for 1983 rosters to be complete and see what the community comes up with for draft classes for each year. Hopefully by the time I’m done those will be in a good place too. It’s all time consuming but I think it will all be worth it in the end.

I’ll rely on taildog for the triangle for the Bulls & Kobe Lakers teams.

Anyone got any ideas or seen any team specific plays pass it on and Let me know… Let’s get this thread rolling again!

[ch46647]

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Vann- This is awesome! Quick question about playbook edits.. Can we edit teams default Freelances and Series in a roster? Or do we have to adjust before every game in the menu?

I’ve noticed almost every team’s freelance is set to 4 in and 1 Out.

Hope these playbook edits make it into ATD roster this year. Thank you for all that you do for our community!

[ch46647]

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Vann- I saw your comment in the slider section. Do you plan to post your slider set in these forums?

[vannwolfhawk]

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Vann- This is awesome! Quick question about playbook edits.. Can we edit teams default Freelances and Series in a roster? Or do we have to adjust before every game in the menu?

I’ve noticed almost every team’s freelance is set to 4 in and 1 Out.

Hope these playbook edits make it into ATD roster this year. Thank you for all that you do for our community!

Unfortunately no. I have asked for this to be editable for years. But I also asked for help d slider to be editable in roster for years as well and it finally got edited in this year. So, hopefully it will be at some point. It’s a huge edit. Nothing worse then the suns in freelance and seeing Cameron Payne posting up. I saw the same thing with the pistons posting up Isiah Thomas. If I see that I will up play calls for a team with poor freelance to 99/100 but the cpu will still run freelance off misses though so you will still get freelance even if set to 100 run plays. So yes, workaround is switch in game BUT I haven’t tested to see if cpu switches yet and if ACE replaces it? In years past it didn’t matter. I’m assuming it’s the same? But I did hear when changing to run series, freelance, etc that it will only do that for rest of the game or something. I need to test it more but have my hands full so won’t get to that for awhile.

[ch46647]

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Looking forward to seeing what you can do with playbooks thsi year? Been playing with the Warriors and the playbook is a little rough. A lot of the plays are wonky and spacing is off.

[taildog]

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Freelances can be edited in myEra / MyNBA mode in game. Unlike play now, your freelance selection will stay from game to game. If you control all 30 teams for a game this should be a workaround.

[Smirkin Dirk]

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Still no CPU cross matching. They still guard based on position.


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[J_Posse]

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Still no CPU cross matching. They still guard based on position.


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Yeah, we still have to go in and make that edit ourselves. Weird that they did have it before - I think it was 2K17 or 2K18 - but toned it down then outright removed it.

Hopefully, as they get away from last gen and further into the capabilities of next - gen it'll return.

Side - note: I'm still not seeing enough attacking of mismatches or bigs on the perimeter by the CPU. The AI is getting better but I still want to see a bigger leap forward.

On - topic: Can't wait until your playbook edits are done for current teams, Vann. Gets annoying seeing the CPU run the same actions over and over again. I'm hoping 2K ups the playbooks to 100 plays max soon.

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[vannwolfhawk]

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Was just adding plays per play type to test and came across something. Not that everyone will like this as sometimes less is more.

But…

We can now add 60 plays per playbook this year instead of capped at 50.

[J_Posse]

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Was just adding plays per play type to test and came across something. Not that everyone will like this as sometimes less is more.

But…

We can now add 60 plays per playbook this year instead of capped at 50.

Nice. I'm hoping they can increase the max to 100 plays per team soon. Anything that helps with diversity of play calling and sets is welcomed, IMO.



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