Devroyce Sliders (W/Updated Individual Player Defense Tendencies for Increased Fouls) XBOX ONE

[devroyce]

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Its funny, you see people on here, who say they want it to replicate real life, but yet when the devs actually do get it right, then these clowns complain, saying there are too many turnovers, to many fouls, why do I keep losing the ball when Im in the paint,lol.

Honestly I tend to think those of us who actually do want realism, is in the minority sadly. Just too many ignorant kids these days, and unfortunately 9/10 times, the devs cater to the casual fools, over the true fans of the game.

You are right, there is some very poorly rated players, in both attributes and tendencies, to where you basically need to rerate them if you want to get better stats. Miles Turner, rebounding is a tad high, while Sabonis is a tad low, unless they have changed it recently in a update, but I dont think so.

Yeah I'm quite skeptical about the rebounding of those guys as well. What I do believe happens is some of it is based on hype...no offense to what he can do in that area of the game...but what we actually see. For example only, lets say I don't get to see the Pacers play often, and I might see them only when playing on National TV, that one player might go off or post some extraordinary stats and after that game I will base my opinion only on those few games because they are the only games I've witnessed that player. Thats what starts the hype and the casual gamers literally run with it. And yes I agree and believe that the devs know how to get it right at this point especially with all the tools provided and the fact that we are to come up with some amazing results within our limits alone! But yes, the mass...they get what they want. Lol.

Recently, I was watching a Miami vs Bulls game on TV...and I actually focused on all those mishaps you mentioned in the first paragraph. Guess what? Those mistakes were actually happening right out the gate lol.

Timeline of that game:

-Tip off landed out of bounds.
-Josh Richardson air balled a layup.
-Justin Holiday dropped a pass out of bounds thereafter.
-Dion Waiters loses the ball (dribbling) out of bounds
-Hassan Whiteside deflected a pass out of bounds.

At that point, the score was tied at 3-3 with 9:30 remaining in the first qtr!!! All those mishaps in under 3 minutes!

And yes there are teams who do have somewhat "perfect qtrs" of basketball and its perfectly possible. However, what we explained above is the kind of realism I want to see in this game from time to time. Not that perfect basketball every game I play. Agreed.

[devroyce]

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And I'm not even going to say I have the best sliders at all. I just want a direction towards ultimate realism. As a community we can get close whether its your input, someone else's, others' slider sets, tips from other slider sets, tendency edits, etc. Gotta start from somewhere.

[CaseIH]

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Yeah I'm quite skeptical about the rebounding of those guys as well. What I do believe happens is some of it is based on hype...no offense to what he can do in that area of the game...but what we actually see. For example only, lets say I don't get to see the Pacers play often, and I moght see them only when playing on National TV, that one player might go off or post some extraordinary stats and after that game I will base my opinion only on those few games because they are the only games I've witnessed that player. Thats what starts the hype and the casual gamers literally run with it. And yes I agree and believe that the devs know how to get it right at this point especially with all the tools provided and thefact that we are to come up with some amazing results within our limits alone! But yes, the mass...they get what they want. Lol.

Recently, I was watching a Miami vs Bulls game on TV...and I actually focused on all those mishaps you mentioned in the first paragraph. Guess what? Those mistakes were actually happening right out the gate lol.

Timeline of that game:

-Tip off landed out of bounds.
-Josh Richardson air balled a layup.
-Justin Holiday dropped a pass out of bounds thereafter.
-Dion Waiters loses the ball (dribbling) out of bounds
-Hassan Whiteside deflected a pass out of bounds.

At that point, the score was tied at 3-3 with 9:30 remaining in the first qtr!!! All those mishaps in under 3 minutes!

And yes there are teams who do have somewhat "perfect qtrs" of basketball and its perfectly possible. However, what we explained above is the kind of realism I want to see in this game from time to time. Not that perfect basketball every game I play. Agreed.

That 1st qtr of the Heat/Bulls game was comical, with how bad it was

[devroyce]

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That 1st qtr of the Heat/Bulls game was comical, with how bad it was

Yes it was. Seriously comical lol. Kinda expect that out of those teams. Especially the Bulls. But it is a great example of the sloppiness that is literally real and should be duplicated.

[devroyce]

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Man if 2K really listened to us we won't have to go through this just to have realistic fouls, especially those fouls on 3's we all want...

[devroyce]

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Testing a game with off rebound slider at 4 instead of 5 for CPU & 9 for USER instead of 11 (focus is Myles Turner with this change so I can see if there is a difference...so far he has 7 Rebs/ 2 of them are offensive rebs which is close to his avg of 7.4 rebs/1.1off rebs per game after 48 minutes). Right now, I am in a wild and explosive game where Justice Winslow hit a 3pt dagger to save MIA and send the game into overtime.

IND 105 @ MIA 105 (both teams have 20 fouls each)

...will post results after overtime...

[devroyce]

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After 48 Minutes: 1269882.png

During Overtime: 1340423.png

Total Game Stats:1358537.png

Myles Turner crushed me with 2 monster blocks near the end and Oladipo sealed the deal with a huge 3 pointer in the remaining seconds! This was way too fun.

IND 114 (21 Fouls/20 before OT)
MIA 112 (23 Fouls/20 before OT)

Other Notes: I didn't see any 3pt fouls this game. What I did see was ample amount of charging fouls and a TON of reach in & blocking fouls which is part of what I want than just inside shooting fouls. League average standard met again though.[emoji106]

[CaseIH]

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Testing a game with off rebound slider at 4 instead of 5 for CPU & 9 for USER instead of 11 (focus is Myles Turner with this change so I can see if there is a difference...so dar he has 7 Rebs/ 2 of them are offensive rebs which is close to his avg of 7.4 rebs/1.1off rebs per game after 48 minutes). Right now, I am in a wild and explosive game where Justice Winslow hit a 3pt dagger to save MIA and send the game into overtime.

IND 105 @ MIA 105 (both teams have 20 fouls each)

...will post results after overtime...

There are times, when Miles does have big rebound games, unfortunately at this stage of his career, its not consistent. Some of it is due to lack of strength, he just needs to get stronger, and offensively he spends alot of time on the perimeter, so he isnt always in a good position for a putback.

I do believe in time he will be a good rebounder, he is just young, and need to get stronger.

I also think bigs tend to get overrated in rebounding, while some of your good rebounding guards and SF's tend to be too low. For instance Lance Stephenson is a very good rebounding guard, who 2k has his rebounding ratings too low.

Ive been considering a big rerate before I start MyLeague, but Im very impatient, so I usually just edit within MyLeague. I just cant decide what I want to do, as Im very OCD when it comes to stats

[devroyce]

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NBA league Averages as of today 11/30/2017:

FG: 39
FGA: 85.4
3P: 10.4
3PA: 28.9
FT: 16.9
FTA: 22.1
ORB: 9.7
DRB: 33.9
TRB: 43.6
AST: 22.5
STL: 8.0
BLK: 4.8
TOV: 15.3
PF: 20.5
PTS: 105.3
FG% 45.7
3P% 36.2
FT% 76.6

Game Stats are just as important as Gameplay in a 48 Minute game. Just sayin'...

[devroyce]

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There are times, when Miles does have big rebound games, unfortunately at this stage of his career, its not consistent. Some of it is due to lack of strength, he just needs to get stronger, and offensively he spends alot of time on the perimeter, so he isnt always in a good position for a putback.

I do believe in time he will be a good rebounder, he is just young, and need to get stronger.

I also think bigs tend to get overrated in rebounding, while some of your good rebounding guards and SF's tend to be too low. For instance Lance Stephenson is a very good rebounding guard, who 2k has his rebounding ratings too low.

Ive been considering a big rerate before I start MyLeague, but Im very impatient, so I usually just edit within MyLeague. I just cant decide what I want to do, as Im very OCD when it comes to stats

You're not alone. Gotta have the stats. And I would guess you would need a whole different scheme for MyLeague. As you don't want to affect those in a negative way with manipulating sliders, tendencies, etc. Just my guess because I've never tried My League. I'm a Play Now/User vs Cpu guy. I do know one thing, some of my earlier games, maybe like 3 of them, not sure if I posted them all, were vannwolfhawk's (gamertag: vannwolfhawk206) roster edits (I added my 100 defense/foul edits to his). This guy knows his stuff! Great gameplay...I probably would say the perfect rosters for 2K. I just needed fouls to be at nba league averages, so i add my touches to his. Not sure he touched rebounding disparity and also not sure what sliders he uses though. The last few games I've been using 2K's...but overall the stats are consistent on both ends.

And yes I agree the bigs are very overrated and I definitely saw way too many rebounds, well above avg each game for these guys, especially at default sliders lol... It was outrageous! You can have a guy like Rondo or whomever, sit right there with the ball in front of his hands and the bigs will snatch it magically LOL! I feel ya with the frustration. Lance is very aggressive, has strength, has body size as well which helps, and he can jump...so I would think that 2K in these areas mentioned probably made it so that these areas dont affect rebounding as much when they should!!! Myles will get there. I still believe he has that star appeal. Its in the making. Not comparing but I remember when Giannis was like that years ago, but you could see Star written all over him back then, but needed consistency and also again, a buildup of strength. And look at him now.

[devroyce]

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My whole thing about frustration with sliders is a narrow view, as many things have to be addressed besides that. It extends to...What Rosters are people using?...because tendencies play a huge role...settings...etc. They all work together. Its more than just one category when testing and being fully satisfied.

Another problem is people play a few minutes of one game, (I know because I used to do it LOL) and make a complete judgment without seeing it through. People are entitled to their own opinions and choose what they desire, however, see it through before making a complete judgment based on a few minutes lol. I've been posting my results as proof and not afraid to. And I will give an honest assessment. I do know one positive, I'm getting League averages in many areas. [emoji106]

Just using fouls as the example here...In my previous game I wasn't seeing the fouls like before, but suddenly they rolled in like a flood...simply because its life and it happens...but I didn't quit the game right away lol. Turned out wonderful. So whatever the goal is, my advice to many is to see through if you want to see results.

And if its not their cup of tea, find another.

[devroyce]

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One last thing I also FORGET to load my own Roster before starting a game sometimes and end up using 2K default rosters and wondering why I'm not seeing what I want with my personal edits, then having to quit and start over....so I'm pretty sure this happens to others as well LOL!!!

[devroyce]

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Update on OP:

Steals Attribute: 38
Off. Rebounding: User 9/CPU 4

[CaseIH]

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My whole thing about frustration with sliders is a narrow view, as many things have to be addressed besides that. It extends to...What Rosters are people using?...because tendencies play a huge role...settings...etc. They all work together. Its more than just one category when testing and being fully satisfied.

Another problem is people play a few minutes of one game, (I know because I used to do it LOL) and make a complete judgment without seeing it through. People are entitled to their own opinions and choose what they desire, however, see it through before making a complete judgment based on a few minutes lol. I've been posting my results as proof and not afraid to. And I will give an honest assessment. I do know one positive, I'm getting League averages in many areas. [emoji106]

Just using fouls as the example here...In my previous game I wasn't seeing the fouls like before, but suddenly they rolled in like a flood...simply because its life and it happens...but I didn't quit the game right away lol. Turned out wonderful. So whatever the goal is, my advice to many is to see through if you want to see results.

And if its not their cup of tea, find another.

I agree, tendencies are every bit as important, or even more important than attributes overall. People get too caught up in players' overall, when its not nearly as important as having accurate tendencies.

You would think with all the technology that 2ks roster ratings guys, would be able to get tendencies right, to get the most realistic gameplay, but sadly they do as bad a job with tendencies as they do ratings

[cvikl7]

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i love this edits when actually playing, but im afraid that when simming games in myleague it would mean way too many fouls?