Speed Without Ball Description 2K19

[devroyce]

Re: Speed Without Ball Description Is Wrong In 2K19

@devroyce and @youALREADYknow: Gentlemen... woo! This entire thread has been a master class in movement and realism!

I wish the development team could talk about these kinds of things so that the community intelligence would increase. I have often thought the community says the shooting is hard, or something is not realistic, because basic knowledge of how the game works is lacking. If the collective community had a constantly updating wiki about game mechanics there would probably be less need for patches because people would understand why they were getting certain results.

Getting ready to put everything you have talked about in action right now!

[emoji817] [emoji108] Thanks for your contributions as well! I 100% agree with this statement...and because of this community and knowledgeable input, I am learning everyday. Happy to add to it.

[stickyfingers]

Re: Speed Without Ball Description Is Wrong In 2K19

@stickyfingers My idea was this below:

Game Speed: 50


ATTRIBUTES


Acceleration: 50
Speed: 50


MOVEMENT


Speed with Ball (Max rating): 70
Speed with Ball (Min rating): 50
Acceleration with Ball (Max rating): 100
Acceleration with Ball (Min rating): 95
Speed without Ball (Max rating): 65
Speed without Ball (Min rating): 5
Acceleration without Ball (Max rating): 97
Acceleration without Ball (Min rating): 93

***However, I am using @youALREADYknow settings now because I believe they are better for realism.

Thanx to both of you.

[Soonerfan28]

Re: Speed Without Ball Description Is Wrong In 2K19

youALREADYknow what are your Sliders and settings?

[FixEverything2k]

Re: Speed Without Ball Description Is Wrong In 2K19

This is what I was using: Click Spoiler to see sliders and settings.

Spoiler

MODE: PLAY NOW - OFFLINE - USER vs CPU

COACH SETTINGS

Adaptive Coach Engine: On

SETTINGS


Game Difficulty: SUPERSTAR (Custom)

Quarter Length: 12 Minutes

Fatigue: On

Free Throw Difficulty: 85

Injuries: On

Game Speed: 65

Shot Meter: Off


CONTROLLER SETTINGS


Shot Timing: Shots and Layups

Free Throw Timing: Real Player%

Pro Stick Function: Default

Pro Stick Orientation: Camera Relative

Off-Ball Freelance Mode: Camera Relative

Player Icons: On

Skip Pass: Disabled

Icon Lead Passing: On

Pro Stick Pass Type: Flashy

Icon Passing: Full Receiver Control

Receiver Control: Full Receiver Control

Pro Stick Defense: Absolute

Who To Guard: On

Defensive Assist Strength With Intense-D: 0

Boxout Assist Strength: 0

Pass Target Profile: Custom

Pass Target Direction: 28

Pass Target Distance: 44

Pass Target Openness: 29


SLIDERS (USER/CPU)

USER is the first number.

CPU is the second number.


[B]COACHING SLIDERS:

ZONE USAGE FREQUENCY: Set to 100 for All Teams when editing roster and save the roster.


OFFENSE


Inside Shot Success: 58

Close Shot Success: 58

Mid-Range Success: 58

3PT Success: 58

Layup Success: 58

Dunk In Traffic Frequency: 50

Dunk In Traffic Success: 50

Pass Accuracy: 43/4

Alley-Oop Success: 50

Contact Shot Success: 50

Ball Security: 50

Body-Up Sensitivity: 50

Pass Speed: 50


DEFENSE


Driving Contact Shot Frequency: 50

Inside Contact Shot Frequency: 100

Layup Defense Strength (Takeoff): 50

Layup Defense Strength (Release): 50

Jump Shot Defense Strength (Gather): 50

Jump Shot Defense Strength (Release): 50

Help Defense Strength: 50

Steal Success: 50


ATTRIBUTES


Acceleration: 6

Vertical: 50

Strength: 50/55

Stamina: 50

Speed: 1

Durability: 50

Hustle: 50

Ball Handling: 50

Hands: 35/60

Dunking Ability: 50

On-Ball Defense: 50

Stealing: 50

Blocking: 85

Offensive Awareness: 50

Defensive Awareness: 85/50

Offensive Rebounding: 0

Defensive Rebounding: 100

Offensive Consistency: 50

Defensive Consistency: 70/50

Fatigue Rate: 50

Lateral Quickness: 50


TENDENCIES


Take Inside Shots: 50

Take Close Shots: 50

Take Mid-Range Shots: 50

Take 3pt Shots: 26 (made for Zone Usage Frequency set to 100 for all teams)

Post Shots: 50

Attack the Basket: 50

Look for Post Players: 50

Throw Alley-Oops: 50

Attempt Dunks: 50

Attempt Putbacks: 50

Play Passing Lanes: 50

Go for On-Ball Steals: 50

Contest Shots: 50

Backdoor Cuts: 24 (made for Zone Usage Frequency set to 100 for all teams)


FOULS


Over the Back Foul Frequency: 50

Charging Foul Frequency: 100

Blocking Foul Frequency: 99

Reaching Foul Frequency: 100

Shooting Foul Frequency: 99

Loose Ball Foul Frequency: 60


MOVEMENT


Speed with Ball (Max rating): 70

Speed with Ball (Min rating): 2

Acceleration with Ball (Max rating): 100

Acceleration with Ball (Min rating): 90

Speed without Ball (Max rating): 100

Speed without Ball (Min rating): 2

Acceleration without Ball (Max rating): 70

Acceleration without Ball (Min rating): 10

In that particular game, with stats I posted a photo attachment of, I used these special settings below for my own personal experience so it's not going to be the same experience as just plugging sliders in:

- Zone Usage: (roster edit) 100 for both teams as explained in another thread (might not be everyone's cup of tea, but mine personally because teams play more like modern nba defense than 90s style)

- @mcdowell31 (roster edit) suggestion of decreasing Shot IQ by -20 for all players

- Game Speed: 65/Superstar/Play Now/Offline/User vs CPU/12 min qtrs/my own controller settings

- NO SHOT METER

Feels good but I feel like players with the ball are soo much faster than defenders on fastbreaks. Everybody else seems to be doing a slow jog all the time.

What slider would I tweak to fix that?

[devroyce]

Re: Speed Without Ball Description Is Wrong In 2K19

Feels good but I feel like players with the ball are soo much faster than defenders on fastbreaks. Everybody else seems to be doing a slow jog all the time.

What slider would I tweak to fix that?

I deleted my replies because I believe I misread your comment...so forgive me if I deleted them if you were reading.

After reading your comment again, it seems as though "everybody else" are choosing to preserve their stamina. Now, in regards to that I'm not so sure what to tweak...and it could be something other than movement sliders.

In regards to defenders, it could very well be down to the movement sliders. Also, not sure...

What I do know is that "without ball" sliders are generally stronger and more powerful than "with ball" sliders on this game, hence why they are set lower in this case. That's where you'd have to be careful with when increasing.

[Cletus]

Re: Speed Without Ball Description Is Wrong In 2K19

I had one great game (double overtime win vs. Memphis) with Indiana, but the next game I played against Milwaukee, sheesh. Every player on the court was in quicksand, my guys were hitting invisible walls (i even restarted the game because it felt buggy). Except for Giannis. He would get possession and speed burst through everyone for a dunk. It reminded me of Tecmo Super Bowl when the game kicked in the speed burst mode in the playoffs. There's just too many issues with this game.

[devroyce]

Re: Speed Without Ball Description Is Wrong In 2K19

Guys, please help us by posting your sliders/setting for movement. There are more than one version of sets posted here in this thread. We can't help if you don't disclose the movement sliders, and speed/acceleration attribute sliders you are using. You can copy the format from one of our posts to make it easier. Input your numbers and post it.

Also, most of us are using Game Speed of 65 in this thread. So, if you are using another game speed, we can't help.

Give us more insight. And if you have a better solution to the problem, help us on this forum.

Otherwise, thanks for posting your thoughts! [emoji108] [emoji817]

Format to copy:

Game Speed:
Acceleration:
Speed:
Speed with Ball Max:
Speed with Ball Min:
Acceleration with Ball Max:
Acceleration with Ball Min:
Speed without Ball Max:
Speed without Ball Min:
Acceleration without Ball Max:
Acceleration without Ball Min:

[devroyce]

Re: Speed Without Ball Description Is Wrong In 2K19

For those who want a faster pace and have a lot of complaints try this...[emoji111]

Game Speed: 65
Acceleration: 6
Speed: 1
Speed with Ball Max: 69
Speed with Ball Min: 36
Acceleration with Ball Max: 100
Acceleration with Ball Min: 47
Speed without Ball Max: 60
Speed without Ball Min: 44
Acceleration without Ball Max: 100
Acceleration without Ball Min: 27

-OR-

...if not satisfied with offball movement try this...

Game Speed: 65
Acceleration: 6
Speed: 1
Speed with Ball Max: 70
Speed with Ball Min: 36
Acceleration with Ball Max: 100
Acceleration with Ball Min: 47
Speed without Ball Max: 60
Speed without Ball Min: 44
Acceleration without Ball Max: 100
Acceleration without Ball Min: 70


For the invisible wall problem, there is no cure but try this...

Body-Up Sensitivity: 10
On-Ball Defense: 7

If that is too easy then you know how to increase it to your liking.


Otherwise, I am still personally rolling with @youALREADYknow set regarding speed/acceleration/movement

[youALREADYknow]

Re: Speed Without Ball Description Is Wrong In 2K19

Feels good but I feel like players with the ball are soo much faster than defenders on fastbreaks. Everybody else seems to be doing a slow jog all the time.

What slider would I tweak to fix that?

Raise the Acceleration attribute slider and leave the movement w/Ball and w/o Ball sliders alone.

Acceleration is the defender’s ability to respond and get in position against the ball handler. Try bumping it from 6 to 15/20/25 until you see the defender ride the hip in transition. I like to see separation in transition and hip riding drives in half court sets.

[FixEverything2k]

Re: Speed Without Ball Description Is Wrong In 2K19

Raise the Acceleration attribute slider and leave the movement w/Ball and w/o Ball sliders alone.

Acceleration is the defender’s ability to respond and get in position against the ball handler. Try bumping it from 6 to 15/20/25 until you see the defender ride the hip in transition. I like to see separation in transition and hip riding drives in half court sets.

Thanks it def seems to be the acceleration slider. Bumped it up to 15 and speed to 6 just because I usually play faster.


@devroyce thanks bro I put the speed without ball to 20 with the change in acceleration and it did make the defenders move better

[devroyce]

Re: Speed Without Ball Description Is Wrong In 2K19

I'm out outta here ya'll...see ya in 2K20. It's been real and hope you guys enjoy!

[wizfan2]

Re: Speed Without Ball Description Is Wrong In 2K19

Just curious, I use the "High" camera would this make any difference?

[mcdowell31]

Re: Speed Without Ball Description Is Wrong In 2K19

A very good write-up: Good explanation, good ideas!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...YAWfgPc7c/edit

[SonicMage]

Re: Speed Without Ball Description Is Wrong In 2K19

I didn't get a chance to read the whole thread, but the description is not wrong. It says max rating and min rating which is exactly what it acts like. It's what we software engineers call a clamp.

So, say you set the max setting slider for Speed to 75. That means that any player with a Speed rating above 75 will all act as though their rating is 75. Same on the other side, if the min setting is set to 30, then all players at 30 or below for Speed will act as though their speed is set to 30.

I tested this out exhaustively in 2k18 and 2k19, running three quarter sprints with turbo in practice trying out different slider settings until finding a decent set. It turns out setting the min speed to around 60, and the max all the way up to 100 was the closest choice, and it actually fixed a lot of pacing and fastbreaking issues I was seeing in CPU-CPU matchups. Of course, it meant that all the slower centers in the league were running at the same speed, but that was a fair trade-off for seeing more realistic quicker player movement. There's no way to make the speed more perfect until they finally add a proper Speed With Ball slider just like they have for Speed, but this adjustment certainly helps.

[KwiLL23]

Re: Speed Without Ball Description Is Wrong In 2K19

I didn't get a chance to read the whole thread, but the description is not wrong. It says max rating and min rating which is exactly what it acts like. It's what we software engineers call a clamp.

So, say you set the max setting slider for Speed to 75. That means that any player with a Speed rating above 75 will all act as though their rating is 75. Same on the other side, if the min setting is set to 30, then all players at 30 or below for Speed will act as though their speed is set to 30.

I tested this out exhaustively in 2k18 and 2k19, running three quarter sprints with turbo in practice trying out different slider settings until finding a decent set. It turns out setting the min speed to around 60, and the max all the way up to 100 was the closest choice, and it actually fixed a lot of pacing and fastbreaking issues I was seeing in CPU-CPU matchups. Of course, it meant that all the slower centers in the league were running at the same speed, but that was a fair trade-off for seeing more realistic quicker player movement. There's no way to make the speed more perfect until they finally add a proper Speed With Ball slider just like they have for Speed, but this adjustment certainly helps.

What slider set are you using for the whole set up?