Why I'm Done With NBA Basketball This Year: NBA 2K9

[DC]

Re: Why I'm Done With NBA Basketball This Year: NBA 2K9

This is incorrect. In fact, someone posted videos in how the help defense slider works in the slider thread. It should be all the way to the left to induce help defense and all the way to the right to make your players stick to their man. He actually got blasted at first for saying it was "backwards."

Now THAT is a myth. I have played numerous game with the slider to the left and I have still seem MANY (way more times than not) instances where a blowby happens and the opposite wing is still glued to his man.

Any time it happens when I am playing online vs someone I replay it. Ask Mo or SweetJamesJones.

The help defense this year is BROKEN. It needs to be fixed. Point blank man.

[Pared]

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Pared,

I know you've taken a look at my slider threads in the past. I DO take the time to fix these things, but it's tiring and time consuming. Believe me. And by the time you kind of get it down it's All Star break already.

And it's not encouraging at all when the following year the next iteration comes out with the same identified issues from the prior year.

Here's what I'm trying to get across ...

The fact that the user base tunes the game towards sim, and 2K fails to ignore the idea of tuning theirs towards sim means it's a design decision to keep the game fake.

And at this age, and this stage of my life with limited time to print out shot charts and spreadsheets from 82games.com and and box scores laying all over my table to try to get the game to replicate real NBA, it's just not worth it.

It's refreshing to see groups of developers like Ian's Madden team and Mike Wang's Live team and of course, The Show, provide us with the re-assurance that they are at least TRYING to duplicate their real respective sports.

You feel me right, Pared? I respect your opinion or I wouldn't engage in this discussion. Peace!

I absolutely know what you're talking about. I used to post sliders on here for guys that didn't have the time. I did what you did.. for the community.

But you hit a point where either you can't fix something and accept it or you see something that you don't think is believable and go right back to altering sliders. Using my previous example, if TD hit a 3 pointer against you to send a game to OT, you would either adjust the sliders or blame it on the rosters.

The problem is some in the community, here, love to extrapolate their examples to appear comedic to boards. It's a contest to see who can be the most ridiculous. If I were a dev., I would scratch my head because people post things like "Shaq be hittin' fadeaways all the time yo!"

There's no possible way they can improve a game off comments like that. Especially when their ridiculous examples aren't the norm.

[Pared]

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Now THAT is a myth. I have played numerous game with the slider to the left and I have still seem MANY (way more times than not) instances where a blowby happens and the opposite wing is still glued to his man.

Any time it happens when I am playing online vs someone I replay it. Ask Mo or SweetJamesJones.

The help defense this year is BROKEN. It needs to be fixed. Point blank man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHrnIsdBAsw&feature=PlayList&p=A576F2D8C60703C7&index=13

It needs work, absolutely. But this is the sort of extreme example that I am talking about. It's not "broken" by any means. Broken means it never happens. It will NOT EVER occur.

But we're just arguing linguistics now. The point is, it is there.

EDIT: They probably have their help defense slider all the way to the right.

[DC]

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Sliders can only go so far though. The rosters need a rework. Ratings are all screwed up. When I see Dwight Howard consistently hitting 12 foot turn around fades then I pretty much roll my eyes and call it a day.

And that is another story. Rosters. Why must we constantly get roster updates that are CLEARLY from "someone" that is not a die hard NBA fan? In terms of knowledge, let me say that.

Since we are fighting a MACHINE in EA (Synergy) we can't just have anyone doing the rosters man. The 2K Insider is a joke. While it is better than previous years of 2K, it is still a joke. MOST of the roster sets here are MUCH better.

It seems like the insider rosters are cool rosters. Not much substance. They NEED to do better in this department.

Can't even get realistic simmed stats with those rosters because EVERYONE has high shooting ratings. It is sad

[DC]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHrnI...703C7&index=13

It needs work, absolutely. But this is the sort of extreme example that I am talking about. It's not "broken" by any means. Broken means it never happens. It will NOT EVER occur.

But we're just arguing linguistics now. The point is, it is there.

Broken doesn't mean NEVER. Broken means it doesn't work the way it should work.

We both can agree that they need to go back to the drawing board.

And didn't I JUST say more times than not the help defense isn't there? So why would you post an example when it is there? I didn't say NEVER, I said more times than NOT. And that IS the truth witht he Help slider at 0 or 100.

[Pared]

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Broken doesn't mean NEVER. Broken means it doesn't work the way it should work.

We both can agree that they need to go back to the drawing board.

And didn't I JUST say more times than not the help defense isn't there? So why would you post an example when it is there? I didn't say NEVER, I said more times than NOT. And that IS the truth witht he Help slider at 0 or 100.

No, they don't need to go back to the drawing board. They need to do that if it NEVER happens, which is what you're saying you're NOT saying.

They need to sag off and bring over help more. They need to have the big men step up to the circle and challenge the drive. They need to play off the weakside corner and play ball-you-man.

They can do things to improve but they certainly don't have to go back to the drawing board. That's another example of what I am talking about in using a drastic example to get your point across.

You said your teammates don't help but you've also said you hardly use lock on. Maybe you should start.

[DC]

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No, they don't need to go back to the drawing board. They need to do that if it NEVER happens, which is what you're saying you're NOT saying.

COme on Pared, how does this sound.

So ONLY if something NEVER works does it need to be carefully looked at again?

Go back to the drawing board, re-work, look at again. Same thing, different words. Stop nitpicking about word choice man PLEASE. You are being real petty right now man.

We are on the same page like J said.

The help defense needs to improve. Is that better? Damn.........

Why the hell are we talking abotu help defense when everyone knows it needs work

I'm out man I don't even know what this topic is about anymore

[Benicio10]

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I absolutely know what you're talking about. I used to post sliders on here for guys that didn't have the time. I did what you did.. for the community.

But you hit a point where either you can't fix something and accept it or you see something that you don't think is believable and go right back to altering sliders. Using my previous example, if TD hit a 3 pointer against you to send a game to OT, you would either adjust the sliders or blame it on the rosters.

The problem is some in the community, here, love to extrapolate their examples to appear comedic to boards. It's a contest to see who can be the most ridiculous. If I were a dev., I would scratch my head because people post things like "Shaq be hittin' fadeaways all the time yo!"

There's no possible way they can improve a game off comments like that. Especially when their ridiculous examples aren't the norm.

i know what you mean about those guys,

but i think the hardcore community has expressed far more than enough substance to warrant these changes. And even without the community, how come I see it? If the devs want to make realistic FG%'s but aren't it means they're incompetent. And i dont think they are. They just want to make an arcadey game and that's fine. But i'm going to walk away if that's the case.

i never changed sliders off 1 shot, i always looked at large sample sizes before i made a change. it's slider editing 101. if the overall %'s are in line and TD hits a 3, it's ok. I'm confident that the 3's arent too high since ray allen went 3-11 from behind the arc last time i played with him. you know what i mean?

But to sum this all up, 2K does need to communicate with us their design objectives for this game for 2 reasons...

1. it's becoming an industry standard, not just in gaming but all of the tech industry.

2. the hardcore followers of this game (who want sim) are beginning to lose confidence in the franchise's ability to replicate real NBA basketball.

[DC]

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You said your teammates don't help but you've also said you hardly use lock on. Maybe you should start.

Explain please...........Me using lock defense will trigger help?

[DC]

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But to sum this all up, 2K does need to communicate with us their design objectives for this game for 2 reasons...

1. it's becoming an industry standard, not just in gaming but all of the tech industry.

2. the hard core followers of this game (who want sim) are being turned off by the product.

#1 is key. You see it more and more each day. This is 2009. Companies reach out to their consumers through surveys, email, message boards, etc.

I don't think it is too much or wrong for us to want 2K to do the same.

[Pared]

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COme on Pared, how does this sound.
...

We are arguing linguistics, but on a message board, your point comes across in the way you word it. Someone posted this and I thought it was hilarious:

I helped my Uncle jack off a horse.
I helped my Uncle Jack off a horse.

So if a dev. is reading YOUR comments, at face value, it would seem like the entire concept of help defense is terrible and that's simply not true. As you saw in the video, the basis is there; It just needs tightening up.

But to sum this all up, 2K does need to communicate with us their design objectives for this game for 2 reasons...

1. it's becoming an industry standard, not just in gaming but all of the tech industry.

2. the hardcore followers of this game (who want sim) are being turned off by the product.

I'm sure they know this. However, it's not reason enough to warrant labeling them as "abandoning the sim gamer." If that was the case, the lead pass would be as effective as it has been in years past.

Explain please...........Me using lock defense will trigger help?

If you're locked on, and your player gets "beat" (as the game sees it) then you get help. If you're not locked on, the defense tries it's best to compensate but obviously gets confused.

Another area where the game definitely needs work.

You can also use lock-on to call out your man on switches.

[DC]

Re: Why I'm Done With NBA Basketball This Year: NBA 2K9

We are arguing linguistics, but on a message board, your point comes across in the way you word it. Someone posted this and I thought it was hilarious:

I helped my Uncle jack off a horse.
I helped my Uncle Jack off a horse.

You are gonna get me in trouble at work man

[DC]

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If you're locked on, and your player gets "beat" (as the game sees it) then you get help. If you're not locked on, the defense tries it's best to compensate but obviously gets confused.

Another area where the game definitely needs work.

You can also use lock-on to call out your man on switches.

Which brings up ANOTHER point.

Why am I finding out control related commands 6 months after the release. Can we get a manual PLEASE

[slimm44]

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What is the percentage of shots Nate gets block?? I could say the same thing about Ben Gordon who would be defended by taller guards. No offense but from jump shots, I don't think that Nate is block a lot because of his size as many would think. Maybe his close shots and layups but not shots like that on the outside. Could be wrong though.

Robinson 2% of his jumpers (2 and 3) and 7% of his close shots.
Gordon 2% of his jumpers and 18% of his close shots.
I'm assuming they have more midrange jumpers blocked than 3's but 82games.com doesn't differentiate.

[Pared]

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You are gonna get me in trouble at work man

Which brings up ANOTHER point.

Why am I finding out control related commands 6 months after the release. Can we get a manual PLEASE

I thought you'd like that one.

I'm hoping we finally get the deep manual this game should already have.