The Great Ratings Debate (long)

[ffaacc03]

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"I actually think that dirk is the better player, but as a 4 in terms of overall rating I think booze probably deserves the higher number."

we agree here. but i just think a player's overall should show who the "better" (subjective--i know) player is...it just seems weird for the better player to have a lower overall, dont you think?

Agree !

P.D.
I do think Dirk is better but my choice of one over the other depends on the situation. If I have a competitive team I would take Dirk but if I have a rebulding one, I would choose Boozer because of his youth.

[jeebs9]

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Like I said overall ratings should be hidden to 2k just like the Clutch ratings were.

I mean comparing Boozer and Dirk is tough. Dirk's offensive game is legendary. But sucks on defense. Irk....Boozer has a pretty good offensive. Is clearly better than Dirk on D. But not that good. I mean is one better than another? Debatable as Kobe vs. LeBron.

I keep saying it....I contuine to say it. Hide the Overall ratings. And none of this would be problem.

[Kushmir]

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"I keep saying it....I contuine to say it. Hidden the Overall ratings. And none of this would be problem."


you know i'm starting to agree with this line of thinking, honestly...as long as they "PLAY RIGHT" i'm good...some those inconsistent ratings just throw me off tho...

[BOSsTOwN]

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You don't need to hide any overall or any ratings.

As for Dirk vs Booz as people have Said Boozer is a better true 4 than Dirk . I bet if you change Dirks primary position to SF the overall would be higher.

[jeebs9]

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I'm not saying hide the ratings. But hiding Overall ratings would end all the fighting. Yea Rondo rating of 87 looks scary as ****. Third best point guard...11th best rating in the game. I mean we don't even know the forumla for the Overall. I think the reason his overall rating is so high is because his defensive awareness is probably really high. I mean when you look around the league. How many defensive PG's are there?

If his mid range shooting was 87 I wouldn't play the Celtics...lol But if his defensive ratings are all above or at 87. I'm cool with that. because thats what Rondo is.

I'll say it again. Hide the Overall ratings. As long as the player plays like he does in real-life. You won't see any complaining.

[john5153]

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for the most part, ratings have been dumb down this year. maybe because the expanding of them (25 instead of 50 being the lowest i think) which people that had things that where 53 54 are probably in the 30s hence hurting the rating... i dont know.

[jeebs9]

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^^Good Point^^

[Jukeman]

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for the most part, ratings have been dumb down this year. maybe because the expanding of them (25 instead of 50 being the lowest i think) which people that had things that where 53 54 are probably in the 30s hence hurting the rating... i dont know.

I highly doubt they lowered ratings lke that for all players across the board...ALA EA, they stretched the ratings and tweaked the popular players.....

Give these guys a true representation and maybe people couldnt dribble the ball in the paint like AI with LBJ or Kobe....

[jeebs9]

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Hey jukeman I was kind of confused about what you were trying to say. Are you saying that LeBron and Kobe can’t dribble in the paint like a AI, Nash, CP3 and Dwill can?

Because I know Nash has this bread and butter thing that he does. He like goes in the paint but contuines to dribble to draw the defense in. he usually has 3 options. <O</O
<O</O
A. Hit the man in the corner for 3<O</O
B. Hit the cutter in the lane (usually a big man)<O</O
C. Go up for the easy lay up
<O</O
I think LeBron would be capable of doing this. I know Kobe would score in this situation 7 out of 10.<O

[Jukeman]

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@Jeeboo

Im sure LBJ/Kobe have a overrated handle rating, not saying that they cant do what you described but I dont want them looking like AO and Hotsause out there neither ala NBA2k9

For the most part I like how 2k rated the players but they were not low enough for my taste....Here are the ratings with a -5 points on the default OVR...-5 points would come from rating the players on what they SHOULD have instead of overrating them to make their OVR look pretty, for EX KG's pass rating....This also would fit into how I would rate my created draft classes(55-75 with the average player coming in at 65)

When looking at these ratings, ask yourself how many future HOFers are active in the league....How many of them are in their prime.....

These ratings look just like choops 2k8 out the box "the best basketball game out" yea there are no "small" conference schools in the NBA but why cant these NBA players be rated like those small conf players? I want to see strengths and weakness stand out like I did in CH2K8... **

NBA TOP 50
92 – Kobe Bryant
91 – LeBron James
91 – Dwyane Wade
89 – Chris Paul
84 – Dwight Howard (5)
84 – Kevin Garnett
84 – Deron Williams
83 – Tim Duncan
83 – Carmelo Anthony
82 – Brandon Roy (10)
82 – Rajon Rondo
81 – Devin Harris
80 – Chauncey Billups
79 – Chris Bosh
79 – Pau Gasol (15)
79 – Al Jefferson
79 – Carlos Boozer
79 – Danny Granger
79 – Paul Pierce
79 – Andre Iguodala (20)
79 – Tony Parker
79 – Gilbert Arenas
78 – Dirk Nowitzki
78 – Yao Ming
78 – Joe Johnson (25)
78 – Manu Ginobili
78 – Caron Butler
77 – Kevin Durant
77 – Amare Stoudemire
77 – Baron Davis (30)
76 – Vince Carter
76 – Stephen Jackson
76 – Shaquille O’Neal
75 – Steve Nash
75 – Derrick Rose (35)
75 – Jason Kidd
75 – Ray Allen
75 – Ron Artest
74 – Jameer Nelson
74 – Emeka Okafor (40)
73 – David West
73 – Gerald Wallace
73 – Rudy Gay
73 – Richard Hamilton
73 – Ben Gordon (45)
73 – O.J. Mayo
73 – Jason Terry
73 – Andre Miller
73 – Mike Bibby
73 – Nate Robinson (50)

Pros- lower salary for players, sim stats should be better(Mr LBJ)

Cons- "Why is Dirk a 78"

There are only 3 elite players in the league, Paul is great but the 3 Im talking about have one thing in common that Paul doesnt have yet and thats either a ring or a Finals apperance...Besides he prolly be a 99 by year 2 with the default ratings..

[SaC_KiNg09]

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This talk of ratings in my opinion can be viewed many different ways. Ratings from a game standpoint basically outline who is #1 rated player, #2 rated player and etc. I do not believe that ratings should be done like this. 2k needs to implement a dynamic rating system that accounts for player tendencies, team system, and teammates surrounding him. The system that is in place now does not account for that.

You guys all know how Tyson Chandler played when he was on the Bulls in comparison to how he played when he was on the Hornets. Now why did Chandler look so much better when playing with the hornets? He looked better because his tendencies along with the players around him (Chris Paul) made him a better player. If a dynamic rating system was in place Chandler rating on the Bulls may have been a 69 or 70 but his trade to the Hornets may have made his rating a 72 or 73. The implementation of dynamic ratings would basically help answer some of these questions about why a players rating is so high. do I agree with Rondos 87 rating.....heck no, but if his rating is a product of his tendencies + system + players around him then I am all for it. If Rondo was playing for the Charlotte Bobcats I wouldnt expect him to have a rating that high.

[jeebs9]

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This talk of ratings in my opinion can be viewed many different ways. Ratings from a game standpoint basically outline who is #1 rated player, #2 rated player and etc. I do not believe that ratings should be done like this. 2k needs to implement a dynamic rating system that accounts for player tendencies, team system, and teammates surrounding him. The system that is in place now does not account for that.

You guys all know how Tyson Chandler played when he was on the Bulls in comparison to how he played when he was on the Hornets. Now why did Chandler look so much better when playing with the hornets? He looked better because his tendencies along with the players around him (Chris Paul) made him a better player. If a dynamic rating system was in place Chandler rating on the Bulls may have been a 69 or 70 but his trade to the Hornets may have made his rating a 72 or 73. The implementation of dynamic ratings would basically help answer some of these questions about why a players rating is so high. do I agree with Rondos 87 rating.....heck no, but if his rating is a product of his tendencies + system + players around him then I am all for it. If Rondo was playing for the Charlotte Bobcats I wouldnt expect him to have a rating that high.

Exactly!!!! Get rid of the Overall ratings

[st0rmb11]

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I have to disagree that bron was the best rookie since jordan. I mean, shaq posted a solid double double with 23 and damn near 14 plus 3.5 blocks and shot nearly 56 percent from the floor. You could put penny up there with his 16, 6, 5, and 2 or cwebb the same year with 17, 9, 3, 2, and 1 and over 55 percent from the floor with 7 minutes less per game than bron. Grant hill put up rookie numbers almost identicle to bron. AI but up more points, assists, and steals than bron shooting within .001 of the same percentage and only getting 1.4 less boards than bron. Duncan put up 21 and nearly 12 with 2.5 blocks. Sure, bron was great as a rookie and has imporved into a better all around player than most of those guys but I don't really see him as being any better as a rookie than any of them.

I was really more pointing out that he came in with as much hype as anyone. I wasn't talking about what they put up their rookies seasons. Shaq, arguably, had one of the best rookie years of all time. But coming out of LSU, I don't remember quite the same build up and anticipation surrounding him. Same thing with Hill out of Duke. Same with AI out of Georgetown. Same with Penny coming out of Memphis (State). (which by the way..other than Jordan, Penny was my favorite player growing up.wish he had stayed healthy).

I'm not denying that Shaq, AI, Carmelo, all of those guys weren't good as rookies.. But still, coming out of college, none of them should have been rated in the 70s. (Maybe 72 or so for Shaq.) But, say these guys were rookies in this game -give AI a..64, Shaq a 71, Carmello (in Live 04) was rated around a 61 I think. And, then after a month of watching them play and judging their talents, release an update with better, truer ratings. 2K has NOTHING to base their talents on at the NBA level yet. Just because Kwame Brown was the #1 pick, doesn't mean that he should've been rated higher than any other rookies (as his career has proven.) No rookie should come in as one of the top 3 rated guys on his team.



(Long Live Penny! )

[SaC_KiNg09]

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And, then after a month of watching them play and judging their talents, release an update with better, truer ratings. 2K has NOTHING to base their talents on at the NBA level yet. Just because Kwame Brown was the #1 pick, doesn't mean that he should've been rated higher than any other rookies (as his career has proven.) No rookie should come in as one of the top 3 rated guys on his team.

I agree 100%....good point

[jrich05]

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Can somebody post up the 3 point ratings for best 3 point shooters?

-Morrow, Ray Allen, Granger, Lewis, Azubuike, Kapono etc.