Spurs VS Jazz Gameplay Video(pastapadre)

[Sovartus]

Re: Spurs VS Jazz Gameplay Video(pastapadre)

After watching the Spurs vs. Jazz video, I can't say that I'm seeing anything that has impressed me. I need to have the game in hand to really make a true post about it.

and thats why live wont be better. EA always seem to cater to just one group of fans. last gen it was arcade, this gen it seems to be sim while 2k decided to cater to everyone and has been getting acknowledged as king of hoops.

I can understand why you would make that statement. I won't mention the other game in this thread so I'm not addressing those statements.

2K has been the only real choice for years. Many of you have acquired a comfort zone and familiarity to a particular game. While there is nothing wrong with that, to each his/her own, if you don't have an in-depth knowledge about something, how can you intelligently speak on it? I am very knowledgable about 2K and have been playing it for several years. I also have spent a considerable time with the competition and am friends with the lead gameplay designer. It makes me laugh when people make statements that aren't backed with any facts or insightful opinions.

I have observed that most of your knowledgable basketball gamers set the trends for where gamers spend their money in the future. If all of the Sim Style gamers move to another game, and rave about who realistic it is, that's where people will be. (i.e. everyone moved from the competitor to 2K in the early to mid 2000's) Now in order to maintain the comp to LY, they must cater to both styles instead of just making the best sim possible.

Finally 2K is still building on a flawed engine that can't really do what they are asked to do by the fans. Now they are covering up the problems under the hood with animations. I think they just made the old gameplay issues unrecognizable because of the 9000 animations they captured. If you have a girl that has a bad attitude and is disrespectful to you, and you get her implants and a make over, she will look great but still frustrate you and cause headaches.

I'm still in wait and see mode..... I have yet to play 2K10 so I can only speak off of the videos and comments made by people who have played the game. I will be doing a review like I did last year (which 2K won even though I liked the competitor better) when I have had time with both games on 12 minute quarters, no slider adjustments, vs. the CPU on all the difficulties, and vs. a human on and offline. That is the only way to know what game is what.

[abuC]

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The more I see, the less I like. The computer doesn't seem to really run an offense, it just goes through the motions of setting screens out on the wings with no real purpose. I've seen all the videos, and to me the computer looks to be doing the same thing on offense with every team, sure with the Knicks they shoot earlier but the execution to get the shot is the same.

[NINJAK2]

Re: Spurs VS Jazz Gameplay Video(pastapadre)

After watching the Spurs vs. Jazz video, I can't say that I'm seeing anything that has impressed me. I need to have the game in hand to really make a true post about it.




I can understand why you would make that statement. I won't mention the other game in this thread so I'm not addressing those statements.

2K has been the only real choice for years. Many of you have acquired a comfort zone and familiarity to a particular game. While there is nothing wrong with that, to each his/her own, if you don't have an in-depth knowledge about something, how can you intelligently speak on it? I am very knowledgable about 2K and have been playing it for several years. I also have spent a considerable time with the competition and am friends with the lead gameplay designer. It makes me laugh when people make statements that aren't backed with any facts or insightful opinions.

I have observed that most of your knowledgable basketball gamers set the trends for where gamers spend their money in the future. If all of the Sim Style gamers move to another game, and rave about who realistic it is, that's where people will be. (i.e. everyone moved from the competitor to 2K in the early to mid 2000's) Now in order to maintain the comp to LY, they must cater to both styles instead of just making the best sim possible.

Finally 2K is still building on a flawed engine that can't really do what they are asked to do by the fans. Now they are covering up the problems under the hood with animations. I think they just made the old gameplay issues unrecognizable because of the 9000 animations they captured. If you have a girl that has a bad attitude and is disrespectful to you, and you get her implants and a make over, she will look great but still frustrate you and cause headaches.

I'm still in wait and see mode..... I have yet to play 2K10 so I can only speak off of the videos and comments made by people who have played the game. I will be doing a review like I did last year (which 2K won even though I liked the competitor better) when I have had time with both games on 12 minute quarters, no slider adjustments, vs. the CPU on all the difficulties, and vs. a human on and offline. That is the only way to know what game is what.

It seems like you are basing things more off your disdain for 2k9 and your interpretations of 2k10 videos (which is understandable)than you are relying on people who have actually played 2k10. It seems like the majority of people who have 2k10 are very impressed with it and think it's a big improvement over 2k9. Chase or Ahol had it right when they said people who didn't like 2k9 probably won't like 2k10. Prophet...........

[CoHouse2814]

Re: Spurs VS Jazz Gameplay Video(pastapadre)

After watching the Spurs vs. Jazz video, I can't say that I'm seeing anything that has impressed me. I need to have the game in hand to really make a true post about it.




I can understand why you would make that statement. I won't mention the other game in this thread so I'm not addressing those statements.

2K has been the only real choice for years. Many of you have acquired a comfort zone and familiarity to a particular game. While there is nothing wrong with that, to each his/her own, if you don't have an in-depth knowledge about something, how can you intelligently speak on it? I am very knowledgable about 2K and have been playing it for several years. I also have spent a considerable time with the competition and am friends with the lead gameplay designer. It makes me laugh when people make statements that aren't backed with any facts or insightful opinions.

I have observed that most of your knowledgable basketball gamers set the trends for where gamers spend their money in the future. If all of the Sim Style gamers move to another game, and rave about who realistic it is, that's where people will be. (i.e. everyone moved from the competitor to 2K in the early to mid 2000's) Now in order to maintain the comp to LY, they must cater to both styles instead of just making the best sim possible.

Finally 2K is still building on a flawed engine that can't really do what they are asked to do by the fans. Now they are covering up the problems under the hood with animations. I think they just made the old gameplay issues unrecognizable because of the 9000 animations they captured. If you have a girl that has a bad attitude and is disrespectful to you, and you get her implants and a make over, she will look great but still frustrate you and cause headaches.

I'm still in wait and see mode..... I have yet to play 2K10 so I can only speak off of the videos and comments made by people who have played the game. I will be doing a review like I did last year (which 2K won even though I liked the competitor better) when I have had time with both games on 12 minute quarters, no slider adjustments, vs. the CPU on all the difficulties, and vs. a human on and offline. That is the only way to know what game is what.

i have issues with that bold statement. where is your logic when you said that? 2k basketball engine is the best sports engine PERIOD, so how can it be flawed and if it is flawed then what makes the comp more polished?

now you can say the engine is outdated and bland and i would probably agree and said anything but FLAWED, i mean you cant the #1 rated simulation 7 years running(going to be 8) and the system is flawed and you sales would decrease instead of increase if it waas flawed. look at madden, thats a flawed game engine and its showing its colors in overall review and sales

[Sovartus]

Re: Spurs VS Jazz Gameplay Video(pastapadre)

It seems like you are basing things more off your disdain for 2k9 and your interpretations of 2k10 videos (which is understandable)than you are relying on people who have actually played 2k10. It seems like the majority of people who have 2k10 are very impressed with it and think it's a big improvement over 2k9. Chase or Ahol had it right when they said people who didn't like 2k9 probably won't like 2k10. Prophet...........

I would agree with that. I can't say that I was happy with 2K9 but I am reserving my real opinion until after I have actually played the game. One can't help but base their feelings off of past experience so when you see something that resembles what you have seen in the past, you get the same feelings.

The comments I have based my statements from are that the game still slides terribly, especially on defense and that shot timing still is too strong of a factor in shooting percentages. Another comment that was made is that there still is a big lack of player control that has plagued the series in the past.

You made a good post though.

[Sovartus]

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i have issues with that bold statement. where is your logic when you said that? 2k basketball engine is the best sports engine PERIOD, so how can it be flawed and if it is flawed then what makes the comp more polished?

now you can say the engine is outdated and bland and i would probably agree and said anything but FLAWED, i mean you cant the #1 rated simulation 7 years running(going to be 8) and the system is flawed and you sales would decrease instead of increase if it waas flawed. look at madden, thats a flawed game engine and its showing its colors in overall review and sales

You can be #1 for as long as you have no competition.

I'm done on this issue... it's moving south. Stick to the topic. Pared asked us nicely.

[CoHouse2814]

Re: Spurs VS Jazz Gameplay Video(pastapadre)

You can be #1 for as long as you have no competition.

I'm done on this issue... it's moving south. Stick to the topic. Pared asked us nicely.

yeah whatever dude, u just didnt have a good answer...lol anyway back to topic. video look great, cant wait to get my hands on it oct. 6

[o_capone]

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Not liking what I see so far.

what is it that u didnt like?

[Pandam00nium]

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No offense if the people who played this game come here, but Utah played quite badly... They were down 6 with a minute to go and they start chucking up 3s? It was still quite a close game but they blew it by making pretty bad decisions down the stretch.

Anyways a couple bad glitches mentioned in this game, but hopefully it doesn't reoccur that much. I didn't like how many points both teams got in the paint either, but I did see some bad defense being played as well. :x

Doesn't change a whole lot in my mind though. I'm still looking forward to it and these are good to just keep me a bit distracted so I don't go crazy without any kind of footage. Thanks for the uploads.

[NDIrish98]

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i have issues with that bold statement. where is your logic when you said that? 2k basketball engine is the best sports engine PERIOD, so how can it be flawed and if it is flawed then what makes the comp more polished?

now you can say the engine is outdated and bland and i would probably agree and said anything but FLAWED, i mean you cant the #1 rated simulation 7 years running(going to be 8) and the system is flawed and you sales would decrease instead of increase if it waas flawed. look at madden, thats a flawed game engine and its showing its colors in overall review and sales

biased much?

[NINJAK2]

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I would agree with that. I can't say that I was happy with 2K9 but I am reserving my real opinion until after I have actually played the game. One can't help but base their feelings off of past experience so when you see something that resembles what you have seen in the past, you get the same feelings.

The comments I have based my statements from are that the game still slides terribly, especially on defense and that shot timing still is too strong of a factor in shooting percentages. Another comment that was made is that there still is a big lack of player control that has plagued the series in the past.

You made a good post though.

No doubt Sov that past experience plays a huge part in future viewpoints. I just disagree with some of your points.

While I do see your point about shot release, release point dictating shot success is a major part of user input in all hoop games. I think the problem is that maybe too high of a percentage is assesed to a good/perfect shot release in 2k, right or wrong.

I've always thought that if a perimeter player shoots 45% from three, a perfect release should add maybe 1-2% to the likely hood of it going in. The percentage goes down with every other release point(slightly early, late, etc.). The problem with this is you will surely get people who are pissed that % plays more of a factor than user input. That is a very tough thing to balance imo.

[Greene_Flash03]

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1. Pasta sucks at basketball games

2. The computer was tearin him up realistically, drive and dish

3. Was I the only one that noticed the CPU doing a FLOATER!?

Can't wait till Oct 6

hahaha yes!

[domidomdomz]

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anyway, did you guys see the double jump done by duncan in the vids? i read a comment in OS or Youtube (i cant remember where) about the glitch. If you do find it, please post what vid it is and what part of the vid.

[NDIrish98]

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anyway, did you guys see the double jump done by duncan in the vids? i read a comment in OS or Youtube (i cant remember where) about the glitch. If you do find it, please post what vid it is and what part of the vid.

pretty sure it's the 4th qtr vid, im pretty sure it's the same one with Okur running in circles also. i might be wrong.

[TombSong]

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yeah whatever dude, u just didnt have a good answer...lol anyway back to topic. video look great, cant wait to get my hands on it oct. 6

LOL, I was thinking the same thing when I saw his reply. I was thinking WTF is he talking about , LOL. Flawed engine.

If 2K engine is flawed(and hell I aint saying its perfect) then WTF is in existence today thats better ?

What B-ball game is doing all this stuff these people are looking for ?

All this stuff some of these guys bring up they they hate so much in 2K subjective. "Too many made shots" Well what are you gonna do when Kobe in Live is dropping 65% of his shots on you ? You gonna hate that too or try and play some defense ?

"The game is getting old and stale" Ok, What do you want them to do ? Its basketball. Whats going on in the real game that you cant do in the video game ? I could see if past 2K games where utter garbage and had things missings but seriously. I would love to hear from these guys what is it that you are looking for in a B-Ball game ? What should they have added that would WOW you ?