Defense in 2k10 really represents TODAY NBA STYLE

[jeebs9]

Re: Defense in 2k10 really represents TODAY NBA STYLE

^^Me too^^

But I just don't like when people say 2k9 defense is better than 2k10 defense. To me that's crazy. I've been blowing out paint cheesier. Because they are one dimensional. The games I have trouble in are the ones where they mixing in both....Not equally but do take their open shots. Driving into a crowd is not a smart thing.

[Pared]

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Since I'm consumer and you're the analyst. Please explain how this is NBA defense. These all were taken within moments of one another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRIwwwbUuho

Settings:
Man to man
Help defense - 20
zero double team
zero zone


Since I just turned off the game and this thread was the first related to my issue, here I am for an answer.

Since no one answered your post, I will.

The first was a bug. It has been talked about ad nauseam here. It will be fixed on the patch.

The second was help defense. You drove the lane and 3 people stepped in. Q covered the man closest to him by dropping into the lane and tried to recover when the smart pass was made to the corner. That's called stretching the defense. If you've never seen that in a basketball game... not sure what to tell you.

Actually if you want to be real about it, most players only knock down less than 50% of unguarded open jumpers in real life. That number is even less off the dribble.

I think 2K is doing a great job of trying to represent real defense in the game but there are a few nuances that dystroy it. The defenders coming to help and running around behind the post player to get between him and the basket thing shouldn't happen and it hurts gameplay considerably. Here is an example of this: Rudy Leaves Kobe for no reason.

That was with all double team settings at "never" and the double team slider in coaching options at 0. There is no excuse for that. It can't be fixed by slider adjustments, because it is a flaw in the game. I have been a hardcore 2K fan for years and I played and coached organized basketball. I know what basketball realism is and 2K is close but missing a lot of elements. I like the game but a lot of you guys trip me out trying to sell a salesman. It's broken and they need to fix it. It's just that simple.

Again, this will be fixed via the patch. They ARE fixing it. They're also fixing the terrible pick and roll defense.

Knowing this, why would you keep complaining about it? Are people just bored?

[Pared]

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But I just don't like when people say 2k9 defense is better than 2k10 defense. To me that's crazy. I've been blowing out paint cheesier. Because they are one dimensional. The games I have trouble in are the ones where they mixing in both....Not equally but do take their open shots. Driving into a crowd is not a smart thing.

Yes, a comment like that is a joke. 2k9's defense is much better in the paint. Apparently the patch will address it even more.

I don't understand why people continue to make these comments knowing that 2k KNOWS these are issues from community feedback and said they will be addressing it in the patch. Why not just wait for the patch instead of going off here, again, in the forums?

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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All Im saying 2k and EA sports business model works fine for the general public as a whole.

again most casual sports fans and gamers out there want the high flying dunks and high shooting %'s. its more appealing to shoot in the 60/70% range for casual sports gamers.

and speaking of soccer, scores out he box of PES, and FIFA may fall in the 2-4 goal range, but straight out the box, shots on goal are high, dribbling or controling the ball running up the enitre field happens all the time, and shots on goal are higher than the norm.

all sports games have inflated stats and %'s, out the box. causal sports fans and gamers only remember the highlights. and what better way to appeal to a broader audience than to give them sim sports presentation, with the action giiving you 60-70% of the gameplay being highlights and inflated stats.

If they market and truely make a game for true sim heads these companies will lose money.

Im done.

I might agree with 45-60% as default but 60-70% is broken and generally unappealing.

We all know that if players are shooting 60-70 the average star will shoot 75%, any player with a good inside rating is shooting 70%+ in the paint and poor shooters will hit a lot of open shots. If the CPU isnt juiced it will be much too easy. So if you juice the the CPU people are going to complain when Nene who has a decent jumper consistently goes 6-8, or 7-9, every half decent big man shoots 60% in the paint, and every star makes 65% of their shots in the paint, or 40% of contested threes etc etc. We have been down this road. These are common complaints.

2k10 is broken the same way online. I can take Aldridge or Oden and score so well inside that its not worth playing real basketball ie working for a variety of open shot opportunities. If I dont like playing like that I'm sure others dont like facing it.. but thats typical. Instead of NBA 2k10 we get leadpass/Hookshotfest2k10. If the shot percentages are that high by default it reduces the importance of the open shot and if the defense isnt keen enough to make the offense feel they have to work for a good shot then the defense is going to be really boring/frustrating. It will be a lot more frustrating than going 8-22 with a star. Thats what I see when I watch the more casual gamers play. My nephew can live with going 8-22 with Iverson if his opponent isn't shooting 9-10 with Yao Ming's unstoppable 2k9 hook.

NBA Live has its faults but I can tell you with the right marketing the casual gamer would rather have a game that plays like the NBA than leadpass/hookshot fest and if the shooting percentages from a specific area or tactic are greater than what can be produced from a moderate timely dose of one on one moves and smart team play the game will leave something major to be desired.

High shooting percentages can be complete game killers online when when you combine the boost you get from shooting inside and the AI that doesnt adjust to taking shots and throwing passes into the same area, and a lack of collision detection when dunking in traffic.

Again these are common complaints and the one game that broke the mold being the Draft Combine that had relative realistic FG% without adjustment is one of the highest fan-rated arcade games on Xbox Live and one of the best selling.

[NINJAK2]

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You're approaching broken record status with this KV. You make great points but we know about the shooting percentages, lack of collisions in paint, and shots in paint. We also know that a patch is coming that will hopefully mend them. Let's see if the patch can remedy your ills.

The draft combine had lower percentages mainly because those players were not nba calibur talent from the jump.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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You're approaching broken record status with this KV. You make great points but we know about the shooting percentages, lack of collisions in paint, and shots in paint. We also know that a patch is coming that will hopefully mend them. Let's see if the patch can remedy your ills.

The draft combine had lower percentages mainly because those players were not nba calibur talent from the jump.

The talent lvl doesn't matter. Real shooting is real shooting. If anything the DC players were too accurate in the post but it was balanced enough that I couldn't see it easily degenerating into a game thats dominated by a handful tactics.

Patches and updates should fix the unforeseen. I would almost have more respect for Visual concepts if they stood by the shooting percentages using the casual gamer as an excuse than to repeatedly release games with the same flaws that people complain about year after year. The first step to reaching a point where they dont go around in circles fixing and breaking the same crap is to double down their efforts in defining and implementing sensible default shooting percentages.

I can agree with Tril that customization can work in a solution but we are far from that online for obvious reasons and that demo would have sold the game better if it wasn't so damn easy to score and the CPU wasn't juiced to hang with you.

[NINJAK2]

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The talent lvl doesn't matter. Real shooting is real shooting. If anything the DC players were too accurate in the post but it was balanced enough that I couldn't see it easily degenerating into a game thats dominated by a handful tactics.

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Got to respectfully disagree there KV. Talent lvl DOES matter. You think that average guy running at your local Y is going to make wide open shots as well as Melo or Kobe? They are way more consistent than your average player or player fighting for a roster spot imo.

[TheFuture94]

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Since no one answered your post, I will.

The first was a bug. It has been talked about ad nauseam here. It will be fixed on the patch.

The second was help defense. You drove the lane and 3 people stepped in. Q covered the man closest to him by dropping into the lane and tried to recover when the smart pass was made to the corner. That's called stretching the defense. If you've never seen that in a basketball game... not sure what to tell you.



Again, this will be fixed via the patch. They ARE fixing it. They're also fixing the terrible pick and roll defense.

Knowing this, why would you keep complaining about it? Are people just bored?

These problems have been in the game for years, 2K always knew that they existed. If that haven't fixed them yet what makes you think that they're gonna fix all those problems in a in a patch in a couple weeks?

[INVALID]

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The second was help defense. You drove the lane and 3 people stepped in. Q covered the man closest to him by dropping into the lane and tried to recover when the smart pass was made to the corner. That's called stretching the defense. If you've never seen that in a basketball game... not sure what to tell you.

That was actually three different plays, with the second and third having help defense tuned to nil (single digits). Three players guarding on individual not named Kobe, Dwight, or Lebron? Richardson was also had his back turned from the actual play, if it was to be help defense. Help defense and double teaming are almost the same in this game because the players don't make their step back to their defender. Their job is to step up, hault for a moment and leave while actual defender recovers. I don't play any longer, I just watch for this all to happen and what I view would make a coach quit.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

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Got to respectfully disagree there KV. Talent lvl DOES matter. You think that average guy running at your local Y is going to make wide open shots as well as Melo or Kobe? They are way more consistent than your average player or player fighting for a roster spot imo.

Melo and Kobe shoot less than 45% from the field the DC players shot about the same percentage. I dont see how talent lvl mattered. If anything the DC players were a little too high.

The DC wasn't supposed be a true representation of what that lvl of player plays like. IRL the games leading up to the real DC are played by guys fighting for the back of the 1st round to being a non-drafted freeagents. IRL they are better players than what you had at the DC. For gods sake every athletic center in the DC was faster than 2k10s Dwight Howard.

What I'm saying is that you cant compare those players to what real NBA 2k10 players of that lvl should play like and point to their shooting. It was non-cannon so to speak, its own entity and in its little world the shot percentages were decent, much more like the real NBA than 2k10s.

[TheSolutionKMH]

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Melo and Kobe shoot less than 45% from the field the DC players shot about the same percentage. I dont see how talent lvl mattered. If anything the DC players were a little too high.

The DC wasn't supposed be a true representation of what that lvl of player plays like. IRL the games leading up to the real DC are played by guys fighting for the back of the 1st round to being a non-drafted freeagents. IRL they are better players than what you had at the DC. For gods sake every athletic center in the DC was faster than 2k10s Dwight Howard. What I'm saying is that you cant compare those players to what real NBA 2k10 players of that lvl should play like and point to their shooting. It was non-cannon so to speak, its own entity and in its little world the shot percentages were decent, much more like the real NBA than 2k10s.

what the obsession with the REAL NBA???

i love basketball and i love playing it but i would never want my video game basketball version to reflect the real nba 100%, hell not even 85% cause video games are meant to be fantasy and my fantasy basketball image is to shoot better and perform better than there real life counterparts

[canes2008]

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I just can't stand the cpu getting to play solid D and then when they get the ball they get easy shots because of the Stupid AI leaving them open or not blocking the lane

[Sovartus]

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Again, this will be fixed via the patch. They ARE fixing it. They're also fixing the terrible pick and roll defense.

Knowing this, why would you keep complaining about it? Are people just bored?

Actually Pared, I haven't read anywhere that they are fixing this in the patch. I read the "list of fixes" and I didn't see that addressed at all. Could you point me to this confirmed information so that I can stop complaining about it?

[The 24th Letter]

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It's in the same thread the rest of the fixes are posted in.....lol.

[Sovartus]

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Nevermind, I found it...... never saw it before but we will see.