Jumpshooting, whats your method?

[jeebs9]

Re: Jumpshooting, whats your method?

I disagree, because the primary task should be to focus on the sport of basketball itself, as opposed to figuring out the shot releases for each player on the court. That means the game should reward me if I manage to get a good shooter open, instead of making me brick wide open shots just because my timing was off by a few miliseconds.

But if we were to do as you suggest, then by extension, layups and dunks shouldn't be automatic either. There's not much of a balance when layups require only a flick of the stick, and jumpshots need so much practice.

Layups....are not automatic...lol They might take less skill. But you can make someone miss layup after layup (or block their shot)

You shouldn't be rewarded just for getting open. You still need to make the shot. You still need to let your player gather his feet together or get his feet underneath him (L2). One of the most important things when shooting when your wide open. Is having your feet underneath you.

[Lauxman]

Re: Jumpshooting, whats your method?

Layups....are not automatic...lol They might take less skill. But you can make someone miss layup after layup (or block their shot)

You shouldn't be rewarded just for getting open. You still need to make the shot. You still need to let your player gather his feet together or get his feet underneath him (L2). One of the most important things when shooting when your wide open. Is having your feet underneath you.

In that case, you should still be able to have a "perfect" shot. But there is no way to really tell, the practice mode lies about the release.

Shooting shouldn't be automatic, but as it is jump shooting is pretty ridiculous.

[jeebs9]

Re: Jumpshooting, whats your method?

In that case, you should still be able to have a "perfect" shot. But there is no way to really tell, the practice mode lies about the release.

Shooting shouldn't be automatic, but as it is jump shooting is pretty ridiculous.

Here are 2 things or tips of mines...

1. I've never used the practice mode to gauge my shot releases or precentages. The one thing I look for in practice mode is if my shot goes down or not. I don't look at the bar at the top to tell me if it was perfect are not. If the shot goes down its a good shot. if it doesn't its a bad shot.

2. There are 3 things to look in game to tell you where your shot release is. If your missing wide open shots. Look at how the ball misses. The commentary hints at it as well.

If your shot

...is long (meaning hitting back rim): That means you held the shot button or stick too long.

...is short (meaning hitting the front of the rim): That means you released the shot button or stick too quick.

...is off (meaning to the side of the rim): That means your player or feet were not set ot settled underneath your player.

[Comduklakis]

Re: Jumpshooting, whats your method?

Agree that the defensive recovery is part of the problem with jumpshots. I'd like to see slower defensive recovery. I also think that players should be able to hit more shots with guys in their face. Watch an NBA game and see how many shots good shooters will hit with a hand in their face. Guys like Ben Gordon, Kevin Martin, Ray Allen, and of course the Kobes and Lebrons just need that split second to knock it down. This would of course need to be changed in conjunction with making it more difficult to get in the paint and more difficult for non post players to constantly post up and drop jump hooks at a 75% clip. That would make the mid range game more valuable to the user and make for a more realistic mix of shots. Finally I advocate a return to the option of shot release being auto if you want. Many players could not care less about mastering everyone's release point, they are worried about the strategy of the game, about running quality plays, watching for screens to get open, etc. Even with the auto release, you would have different releases depending on the D. A player might have to hold it late or release early or fade right, etc. And of course those who like mastering release points and feel it adds to the game will still have that as the default option.

[jeebs9]

Re: Jumpshooting, whats your method?

You can hit contested shots....Kobe and LeBron.....those other players might hit a few here and there in real life. But the 2k10 perfectly does all the things your talking about. I could not believe you mention Kevin Martin in that group....lol SMH

Auto releases clean up the game. Too many releases in 2k9 looked and felt gltichy.


I have not seen bum players domnate down as you speak of....To me it sounds like yout playing 2k9 and not 2k10.

[Comduklakis]

Re: Jumpshooting, whats your method?

You can hit contested shots....Kobe and LeBron.....those other players might hit a few here and there in real life. But the 2k10 perfectly does all the things your talking about. I could not believe you mention Kevin Martin in that group....lol SMH

Auto releases clean up the game. Too many releases in 2k9 looked and felt gltichy.


I have not seen bum players domnate down as you speak of....To me it sounds like yout playing 2k9 and not 2k10.

Sorry can't agree at all. You are more likely to get your shot blocked with a man in your face in 2k10 than you are to hit the shot. And plenty of guys can hit shots with men in their face in the NBA. I'm not saying they hit 60% or something, but I watch guys like Jason Williams, Luke Ridnour, Rodney Stuckey, Rudy Fernandez, etc. hitting shots with guys in the face. These are not all stars, just solid professonal players. And the rate they can hit in rea life far exceeds the rate you will hit in 2k10. As for downlow, I can drop 30 from the post with guys like Chris Wilcox, Charlie V, Jason Maxiell (who never actually uses a jump hook in real life, he always fades away or spins for a dunk/layup), Cole Aldrich (overall 62 with very low rated post skills from Rebirth's draft class), Jonas Jerebko, etc. Basically anyone on the pistons who i've used I have been able to consistently post up and score with. And my sliders are just like Pared's save the onball defense which I have rated even higher at 90. I just think post play is way too easy. Even top post players in the NBA often miss jump hooks and other post moves. That's why they don't shoot 80%. Yet in 2k10 I can consistently hit at high percentages in the post, regardless of who I use and the CPU hits pretty well in the post with scrubs as well (though I don't claim to be a real great defensive player). Shake your head and LOL all you want. By the way, you need to watch more Kings games over the years. Martin can hit with guys hanging all over him when he's hot. Most good shooters can.

I just wanted to add that when I say a hand in their face, I'm not talking about something like Jordan at the end of a game with someone inside his uniform. I'm talking about the everyday plays you see in every game (like the one I'm watching now) where guys hit shots with defenders jumping at them, with a hand being stuck up in their face, etc. I've seen Nocioni hitting them, Udruh hitting them, Stuckey, Charlie V., Gordon, and others. It's a typical NBA shot. In my experience on 2k10, these shots are made at a much lower rate than in real life. And again the amount of jump shots blocked is ridiiculous since this rarely occurs in real NBA games. It seems that you need at least a couple steps between the defender and your man when shooting on 2k10. What one would term "being wide open". Otherwise you almost always miss if you are farther out than the paint. For you though, since you talk about being able to succeed at jump shooting on HOF and at playing great on ball D on HOF, you just might just be that darn good compared to myself or others.

[Bornindamecca]

Re: Jumpshooting, whats your method?

They really need to fix the jumpshooting. What is described as a "Perfect" release certainly isn't. They need a way to show in practice when is best to release the shot.

There is. It's when the shot goes in.

It's kind of amazing to me that the shot indicator has been ruining people for years now. The shot indicator is useless. 9 out of 10 people ignore the results of the ball going in and pay attention to an indicator that they know is broken. When the shot goes in with a perfect swish, chances are you gave it a perfect release. You can feel when this happens, and you'll know it's a perfect shot by the smoothness of the release and flight of the ball. If the ball rattles in, you were probably slightly off by a hair.

There are reliable visual indicators for every shot, especially if you realize that most of the perfect release are fairly early in the shot animation. Here are some troubleshooting(PUN!) tips that should work around all releases.

-Hold the button/shot stick for the duration of the animation, so you can see the entire animation play out
-Watch the top of the head and try to release the button/SS at the exact moment the head reaches the apex of the jump
-Watch the feet and release the button/shot stick the moment the feet reach their full height from the floor Pro Tip: Many players' feet swing forward after they reach full height, so you want to catch their feet BEFORE they move forward.
-pump fake once, so you are absolutely sure that you aren't shooting off of the dribble.
-practice shooting from a moving position. You have to hold the stick/button longer, but it's easier to read the release because there is more time
-Use HoF mode when practicing
and most importantly....
IGNORE THE SHOT INDICATOR. It is an idiot test with no bearing on your shot success. Someone at 2k has a crule sense of humor, because there is a REAL shot indicator in the 3pt shooting contest in 2k9, and it helps tremendously. It's just plain mean to not put the real indicator in practice mode.

Just mean.

[plastict]

Re: Jumpshooting, whats your method?

My method is to shoot with open players and usually hit the shot unless I botch the release.

[jeebs9]

Re: Jumpshooting, whats your method?

Sorry can't agree at all. You are more likely to get your shot blocked with a man in your face in 2k10 than you are to hit the shot. And plenty of guys can hit shots with men in their face in the NBA. I'm not saying they hit 60% or something, but I watch guys like Jason Williams, Luke Ridnour, Rodney Stuckey, Rudy Fernandez, etc. hitting shots with guys in the face. These are not all stars, just solid professonal players. And the rate they can hit in rea life far exceeds the rate you will hit in 2k10. As for downlow, I can drop 30 from the post with guys like Chris Wilcox, Charlie V, Jason Maxiell (who never actually uses a jump hook in real life, he always fades away or spins for a dunk/layup), Cole Aldrich (overall 62 with very low rated post skills from Rebirth's draft class), Jonas Jerebko, etc. Basically anyone on the pistons who i've used I have been able to consistently post up and score with. And my sliders are just like Pared's save the onball defense which I have rated even higher at 90. I just think post play is way too easy. Even top post players in the NBA often miss jump hooks and other post moves. That's why they don't shoot 80%. Yet in 2k10 I can consistently hit at high percentages in the post, regardless of who I use and the CPU hits pretty well in the post with scrubs as well (though I don't claim to be a real great defensive player). Shake your head and LOL all you want. By the way, you need to watch more Kings games over the years. Martin can hit with guys hanging all over him when he's hot. Most good shooters can.

I just wanted to add that when I say a hand in their face, I'm not talking about something like Jordan at the end of a game with someone inside his uniform. I'm talking about the everyday plays you see in every game (like the one I'm watching now) where guys hit shots with defenders jumping at them, with a hand being stuck up in their face, etc. I've seen Nocioni hitting them, Udruh hitting them, Stuckey, Charlie V., Gordon, and others. It's a typical NBA shot. In my experience on 2k10, these shots are made at a much lower rate than in real life. And again the amount of jump shots blocked is ridiiculous since this rarely occurs in real NBA games. It seems that you need at least a couple steps between the defender and your man when shooting on 2k10. What one would term "being wide open". Otherwise you almost always miss if you are farther out than the paint. For you though, since you talk about being able to succeed at jump shooting on HOF and at playing great on ball D on HOF, you just might just be that darn good compared to myself or others.

I think you don't know what a contested shot is....

[jeebs9]

Re: Jumpshooting, whats your method?

There is. It's when the shot goes in.

It's kind of amazing to me that the shot indicator has been ruining people for years now. The shot indicator is useless. 9 out of 10 people ignore the results of the ball going in and pay attention to an indicator that they know is broken. When the shot goes in with a perfect swish, chances are you gave it a perfect release. You can feel when this happens, and you'll know it's a perfect shot by the smoothness of the release and flight of the ball. If the ball rattles in, you were probably slightly off by a hair.

There are reliable visual indicators for every shot, especially if you realize that most of the perfect release are fairly early in the shot animation. Here are some troubleshooting(PUN!) tips that should work around all releases.

-Hold the button/shot stick for the duration of the animation, so you can see the entire animation play out
-Watch the top of the head and try to release the button/SS at the exact moment the head reaches the apex of the jump
-Watch the feet and release the button/shot stick the moment the feet reach their full height from the floor Pro Tip: Many players' feet swing forward after they reach full height, so you want to catch their feet BEFORE they move forward.
-pump fake once, so you are absolutely sure that you aren't shooting off of the dribble.
-practice shooting from a moving position. You have to hold the stick/button longer, but it's easier to read the release because there is more time
-Use HoF mode when practicing
and most importantly....
IGNORE THE SHOT INDICATOR. It is an idiot test with no bearing on your shot success. Someone at 2k has a crule sense of humor, because there is a REAL shot indicator in the 3pt shooting contest in 2k9, and it helps tremendously. It's just plain mean to not put the real indicator in practice mode.

Just mean.

OMG....Someone who understands!!!

[Comduklakis]

Re: Jumpshooting, whats your method?

I think you don't know what a contested shot is....

I think we may have two different definitions of it and I think you have been getting rather snarky the past few days around here bragging about how great you are on HOF and everyone else just needs to step up. Early on you were one of my favorite posters to read since you were informative, but not so much now. It's called a disagreement. It happens on message boards. No need to be insulting about it.

[jeebs9]

Re: Jumpshooting, whats your method?

Wow....I am TOTALLY SORRY. In no way was I trying to insult you or bring you or argument down. Not my style. And I'm sorry if I came cross like that.

You have to know this......I rarely play the CPU. I probably spend 98% of my 2k time.....playing online vs someone or offline vs someone. Once in a blue moon...I'll play an NBA Today game. But the problem is I get so bored playing the CPU (Winning or Losing). I quit. Or get message from someone online for a game. My CPU experience compared to other users....can't be compared.

The whole thing about contested shots. the other guys you mention don't hit the same shots that a Kobe or LeBron would hit in real life. Also you have to remember this is a video game experience. They are trying to squeeze a 48 minute game into a 20 minute experience.

Again I'm sorry if I came cross like an a**hole. Not my style.

[Comduklakis]

Re: Jumpshooting, whats your method?

Wow....I am TOTALLY SORRY. In no way was I trying to insult you or bring you or argument down. Not my style. And I'm sorry if I came cross like that.

You have to know this......I rarely play the CPU. I probably spend 98% of my 2k time.....playing online vs someone or offline vs someone. Once in a blue moon...I'll play an NBA Today game. But the problem is I get so bored playing the CPU (Winning or Losing). I quit. Or get message from someone online for a game. My CPU experience compared to other users....can't be compared.

The whole thing about contested shots. the other guys you mention don't hit the same shots that a Kobe or LeBron would hit in real life. Also you have to remember this is a video game experience. They are trying to squeeze a 48 minute game into a 20 minute experience.

Again I'm sorry if I came cross like an a**hole. Not my style.

fair enough. water under the bridge. And maybe i was being sensitive, because like I said, I never found it to be your style. so no problem, all good.

[Teebone21]

Re: Jumpshooting, whats your method?

after 8 months i still havent consistanly figured out shooting in 2k10. ANy suggestions for shooting online from forum members?

[EmmittSmithx22x]

Re: Jumpshooting, whats your method?

after trying to find countless ways to shoot on HOF i think now that the button is better than the shot stick this year ive been using the stick forever but now it seems useless unless shooting a floater or layup. Every that uses a shotstick tell me your methods for making sure the release is on point. I hate shooting this year because ther are to many button tap releases unlike 2k9 where you had control of your release point.

I use the button release. And for awhile to time shots right I'd actually say Hibatchi in my head and that ish was workin!!!! lol but i stopped doing it after I stopped my losing streak in my online league. lol