NBA 2K10: Defense and Offense Guide

[TheKasmar]

Re: NBA 2K10: Defense and Offense Guide

I believe in on-ball defense, however I also feel if you play it 100% of the time, prepare to get screwed on plays. If I'm goofing I'll run plays, or rather screens and picks just to mess with the opposition. I use it less as this year it's less effective, but last year coming off a screen was almost automatic for a shot. The screens seem a bit different this year, but some of them still seem automatic based on the animation... even far or just ridiculous threes.

When I try to do a pick, it feels like the defense has an invisible force feild around them that I cant get past. I'm practically stuck to them. Of course, most of my ranked opponents are playing off ball d so I'm trying to complete the Pick n Roll against the computer. Like you, I never experienced that in 2k9. Pick n Roll was my go to move last year but its just to sticky for me to be reliable all the time.

[BrianMeinders]

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And btw, I wrote the blog, not CX.. I appreciate your input though brian. I wrote that blog mainly towards players who are having trouble playing on-ball d.

Ahhh sorry, my bad. I guess I just assumed from the vitriol of his response he had written it....I should've looked closer.

Like I originally said, I think the guide is perfectly fine....I just disagree on one point.

I think it's misleading and problem causing when you let someone believe they are playing a sim game when they are camping. The person that believes he is playing fairly (while camping on defense) is quick to judge what the other player is doing on offense. If the offense does nothing but shoot every shot with Dwight Howard in the paint....that guy is going to be labeled a cheeser. However, that is EXACTLY what the defense is forcing him to do. If I am playing online, I am there to play against the other player. If he won't come and guard me, I will go to him.

Any player that is camping, then has the audacity to judge what the offense is doing to counteract their defense....that person is a hypocrite and does not understand that how he his playing causes the type of "cheese" he is upset about.

You want your opponent to shoot jumpshots? Give him a reason to....guard him and make the judgement between giving him space and defending the drive, or to close the gap and contest jumpshots. Anybody who is camping off the ball is ignoring this portion of the game....why would the offense EVER opt to shoot a jumpshot?

[BrianMeinders]

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Dude. Seriously. You're just looking silly, going on a tirade about how on-ball defense is THE ONLY WAY TO PLAY THE GAEM OMGWTFLOLBARBEQUE.

I've put forth all my arguments, and I'm not going to bother anymore. I'm not saying I "won" anything, because I'm not looking to "win" arguments on the Internet. I'm just saying that I'm going to continue to play the game my way, and you can continue to play the game your way.

Frankly, don't you realize I couldn't care any less about some person on the Internet telling me how I should control my players? You came here, to a thread the intention of which is to offer advice, and you started going on a crusade defending on-ball defense. For absolutely no reason at all, other than the fact it makes your e-penis bigger or something.

If you don't agree with me, then that's fine. Just don't think I'll agree with you regardless of how much you press the issue, because as far as I know, it was you who came here to preach about on-ball defense. There are other posters here advocating the use of on-ball defense and I don't have a single problem with them, because they're not crusading like you are. Try to be more personable on message boards.

Read your response to my first post....then tell me who is "crusading" and who started the preaching.

I seriously doubt you would ever change your mind on such a thing. That's not the point. The point is the other 30 or 40 people who read this thread....they will realize your logic is flawed, and perhaps look at the game in a slightly different way. You clearly cannot claim a "win"....because you are wrong. When you have to resort to making up things such as lack of "footplanting" in order to support your misguided belief....it's pretty clear you haven't really thought about it, you just feel compelled to defend the way you play, regardless.

[jeebs9]

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Yea I have two very good example to show you guys.

http://community.2ksports.com/community/media/viewer.cfm?mediaid=20577

Yes that was 2k9...I have one for 2k10 but haven't posted it yet. But lets use it. my buddy online think he is a genius. He tries to deny LeBron the ball. He tries....

Here is another 2k9 example of someone playing off-ball and paying for it. (second clip)

http://community.2ksports.com/community/media/viewer.cfm?mediaid=38814

This guys see Posey cutting to the basket. So he tries to cut the passing lane for the steal....He tries....
lol

[CX1329]

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The point is the other 30 or 40 people who read this thread....they will realize your logic is flawed, and perhaps look at the game in a slightly different way.

You clearly cannot claim a "win"....because you are wrong.

When you have to resort to making up things such as lack of "footplanting" in order to support your misguided belief....it's pretty clear you haven't really thought about it, you just feel compelled to defend the way you play, regardless.

Nice use of sly words, that prove you're still beating a dead horse and pressing the issue. Also, I never said I was claiming to win, I have no idea where you got that from. I was saying this isn't really an argument that can be "won" by either party. Stop twisting my words to make yourself look good on the Internet.

They will realize my logic is flawed? Dude. People don't care. Drat, I don't care about this stupid argument. You're just perpetuating it for no reason.

Drop it already, and stop trying to make yourself look good. Just, drop it.

[BrianMeinders]

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Wasn't twisting words.....you said you weren't going to claim a win, like you're above such a thing.

I say that's ridiculous....you CANNOT claim a win, you're wrong.


And excuse me, but you were the one who wanted to fight this argument....you were the one who quoted me as if you were going to prove my words are not only stupid, they're disgusting. Now when it's shown you can't logically explain anything, it's time to JUST, STOP, IT.

[CX1329]

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Wasn't twisting words.....you said you weren't going to claim a win, like you're above such a thing.

I say that's ridiculous....you CANNOT claim a win, you're wrong.

No, it's not because I'm "above such a thing". It's because arguing on the Internet is loving stupid. Nobody wins anytime ever. That means I don't win, you don't win, nobody wins, because this is inherently asinine.

By the way, to say that "I'm wrong" is to come to an invalid conclusion, made upon a false promise that anybody can be "right" to begin with. I was saying that BOTH ways are valid, I wasn't saying that on-ball defense was bad.

There are simply more ways to play than one, why can't you just accept that and move on? If you want to play people who only play on-ball, then that's what private matches are for. What you are doing is trying to ruin other people's fun when they're not even doing anything wrong in the first place, like abusing the paint.

Jesus. You just can't calm down and stop being belligerent.


P.S.: I never claimed your words to be "stupid and disgusting". It was an attempt at light hearted humor. You made it sound like you were going "OMG THESE OFF-BALL CHEESERS ARE SO DISGUSTING WITH THEIR CHEAP TACTICS" when you made your first post.

[Jesus]

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I have contributed to many 'help' threads and have a complete understanding of the game. thx to street fighter i have quick reflexes and recognition. with that said, I prefer off-ball defense.

I am a very capable defender, i often full-court pg press to eat shot clock. But the cpu is immensely better at on ball d than deflecting passes and getting in position to prevent and contest lay-ups.

[BrianMeinders]

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By the way, to say that "I'm wrong" is to come to an invalid conclusion, made upon a false promise that anybody can be "right" to begin with. I was saying that BOTH ways are valid, I wasn't saying that on-ball defense was bad.

When you make a statement that is obviously false, and somebody calls you out on it, and you have no response....that pretty much means you're wrong.

Well, you see, the thing is that playing on-ball defense is needlessly difficult, because the ball handler usually skates all over the court and the defensive controls don't respond nearly as well as they should. Additionally, there is no real footplanting and momentum in 2K10, which gives the attacking player even more of an unfair advantage. You can offset that advantage by letting the CPU player guard whomever is controlling the ball, because the CPU does not have to rely on broken defensive controls in order to defend effectively.

This is clearly false....and when asked asked about it you ignored it. Your argument is playing on the ball is fundamentally broken. It is not. In order to try to prove your point, you actually made up "footplanting" as how it is broken. If you keep reading, you go on further to say people playing on the ball defense are taking advantage of "footplanting" being missing. It doesn't work both ways. You are wrong. Defense on the ball works, you've just chosen to play in a way that you've never improved at it.

There are simply more ways to play than one, why can't you just accept that and move on? If you want to play people who only play on-ball, then that's what private matches are for. What you are doing is trying to ruin other people's fun when they're not even doing anything wrong in the first place, like abusing the paint.

Again, you assume abusing the paint is WRONG. But you fail to acknowledge that the way you play defense, literally forces your opponent to abuse the paint. That makes you a hypocrite for judging the way someone abuses the paint, and even when it is explained in simple text, ignoring that the way you play defense causes it.

Obviously there are more ways to play than one. Somehow in your mind, it is OK for you to judge people who abuse the paint, but it's not OK for me to judge how you play defense.

[CX1329]

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HAY GUYS I LIKE TO ARGUE ON THE INTERNET

Is what I read. Immature of me? Yes. But so is perpetuating an asinine argument.

[BrianMeinders]

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Is what I read. Immature of me? Yes. But so is perpetuating an asinine argument.

It's easy to pop off early....and then when you're proven wrong, to grow tired of the argument.

[CX1329]

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It's easy to pop off early....and then when you're proven wrong, to grow tired of the argument.

You desperately want to be right, don't you?

[BrianMeinders]

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You desperately want to be right, don't you?

Actually, no. I know I am right.

It is just utterly frustrating that people want to start an argument, then when they realize they don't know as much as they first thought, and are proven wrong....all of a sudden it's just a stupid argument that they didn't want to be in the first place.

You started this. Now all of a sudden you can't defend what you said, and it's not as much fun anymore.

[CX1329]

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Actually, no. I know I am right.

It is just utterly frustrating that people want to start an argument, then when they realize they don't know as much as they first thought, and are proven wrong....all of a sudden it's just a stupid argument that they didn't want to be in the first place.

You started this. Now all of a sudden you can't defend what you said, and it's not as much fun anymore.

HE KNOWS HE IS RIGHT AND HE MEANS BUSINESS.

[BrianMeinders]

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HE KNOWS HE IS RIGHT AND HE MEANS BUSINESS.

Again....a "funny" answer. Done talking about the issue cuz you painted yourself in a corner, logically?