John Wall 2k11= 98 Speed?? 97 Quickness??

[BOSsTOwN]

Re: John Wall 2k11= 98 Speed?? 97 Quickness??

The kid is the fastest ive seen with the ball since AI. Hes faster than Rondo and Rose right now

[KyotoCarl]

Re: John Wall 2k11= 98 Speed?? 97 Quickness??

Well Sports Science sure does think so lol

I say 93 speed and 95 quickness.

What about you guys???

American TV production is sooo bad! Why can't they EVER should you full clips instead of this cutting ****. You never get a sense of what's really going on becase of the fast cuts in every camera angle.

[eko718]

Re: John Wall 2k11= 98 Speed?? 97 Quickness??

Ok, lets inject some fact into this conversation. The following are the draft combine results for the guys mentioned in this thread(except Jennings who did not participate).

Red represents #1 in that category

TJ Ford

3/4th court sprint - 3.20
Lane agility - 11.45
No Step Vert - 32.5
Max Vert 39.5

TY Lawson

3/4th court sprint - 3.12
Lane agility - 10.98
No Step Vert - 29
Max Vert 36.5

Aaron Brooks

3/4th court sprint - 3.20
Lane agility - 10.57
No Step Vert - 32.5
Max Vert 39.5

Monta Ellis

3/4th court sprint - 3.31
Lane agility - 12.13
No Step Vert - 26.5
Max Vert 31.5

Derrick Rose

3/4th court sprint - 3.05
Lane agility - 11.69
No Step Vert - 34.5
Max Vert 40

John Wall

3/4th court sprint - 3.14
Lane agility - 10.84
No Step Vert - 30
Max Vert 39

Though the draft combine is not the ultimate judge(does not account for a player running with the ball), it is a very good indicator of how athletic a guy actually is. Granted, any one of these guys could have had a bad day/good day and not tested quite as expected. Nevertheless, what can be concluded is that John Wall is just as athletic and fast as any of the guys listed above.

Lawson's 3/4 court sprint was faster than Wall's by only 2/1000's of a second, so its safe to conclude that on the court their speed is quite comparable. What that sprint really measures is acceleration and explosion from stand still(2K needs to add an acceleration rating...quickness is not the same), to top speed and D Rose is tops in that category. Wall is second in lane agility(quickness), and up there in everything else.

I don't get the argument that suggests that because a guy is a rookie, his athletic ratings need to be conservative. If a guy is athletic, he's athletic... whether he's a rookie or 8 year vet. Same thing with Blake Griffin last year out of the box his athletic ratings particularly his vertical, was very conservative, when in fact his combine numbers were identical to Amare Stoudemire and it showed in his play.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

Re: John Wall 2k11= 98 Speed?? 97 Quickness??

You should throw in Dwight Howard's combine numbers just for kicks.

[Nunbetter]

Re: John Wall 2k11= 98 Speed?? 97 Quickness??

They have timed John Wall and he dribbles just as fast as he runs; not much difference..He is faster then D. Rose; and his quickness is off the charts!!

[st0rmb11]

Re: John Wall 2k11= 98 Speed?? 97 Quickness??

Guy hasn't played a TRUE NBA game.

We've only seen how quick he is in comparison to NCAA players, most of which were SEC players, which isn't the strongest basketball conference. The only guy he played that was at his level of speed and quickness, was Devan Downey at South Carolina, and Downey embarrassed him.

Even in the Summer League, he wasn't trying to beat legitimate NBA players down the court. Let's wait to see how he looks in his actual NBA games (not Pre-Season).

But, I will say one thing I've noticed about this kid. There is no convincing his fans that he isn't going to become the greatest thing ever to touch a basketball.

[tony01313]

Re: John Wall 2k11= 98 Speed?? 97 Quickness??

Ball in hand there's no one faster when he turns on the jets it's amazing too see. Can he shoot No, but why hate on his best attribute?

[Rocboyz101]

Re: John Wall 2k11= 98 Speed?? 97 Quickness??

And what you're going to do if he does?

Calm down john wall stanley..

What does a guys speed/athleticism have to do with hype?

I meant in general. They're really hyping this guy up, and seeing him with that 98 speed rating would really overdo it.

[luv_mist]

Re: John Wall 2k11= 98 Speed?? 97 Quickness??

Those numbers being thrown out for the combine are moot if you consider that those athletes have been in the league to enhance their attributes with top quality professionals charged with increasing their bodies. Taking every factor ino account with every rookie is useless if those things don't translate well on the court. Yeah, he clearly was not the fastest in ANY of the combine test which proves a point that jock riding is ridiculous. He is fast but he has not been defended by a man who has been in the league and has done the 82+ games, give or take a few for injury. He will have good games and bad ones. I'd rather err on the part of fairness than fandom.

By the way, Derrick Rose for the win!!!!

[eko718]

Re: John Wall 2k11= 98 Speed?? 97 Quickness??

Those numbers being thrown out for the combine are moot if you consider that those athletes have been in the league to enhance their attributes with top quality professionals charged with increasing their bodies. Taking every factor ino account with every rookie is useless if those things don't translate well on the court. Yeah, he clearly was not the fastest in ANY of the combine test which proves a point that jock riding is ridiculous. He is fast but he has not been defended by a man who has been in the league and has done the 82+ games, give or take a few for injury. He will have good games and bad ones. I'd rather err on the part of fairness than fandom.

By the way, Derrick Rose for the win!!!!

The combine numbers are not moot by any means. Will Wall not have access to the same access to "top quality professionals charged with increasing" his body? Yes, he will. So if your suggestion is that somehow these guys are 'more' athletic now than when they entered the NBA, that argument is moot. If somehow Lawson, Brooks etc. got faster and now jump higher than they did when they entered the league due to NBA quality conditioning, there's no reason to believe Wall will not. And the parity between Wall's combine numbers and arguably the fastest guards in the league suggest he will remain in that conversation.

And to that argument, you don't see Step Curry suddenly moving as a blur down the court even though he has access to "top quality professionals charged with increasing' his body. He was not fast in college and he's not fast in the NBA. That's how it works. If a guy is athletic, they are athletic and that translates on any level. This is not 'My Player' mode where a guy can start out with 85 speed and eventually get to 99, this is real life. In real life, the guy that's getting to 99 probably started off at 97, and the guy who entered the league at 85 probably isn't getting past 87. Derrick Rose was an athletic freak in high school and he's an athletic freak in the NBA. There are differences in speed between levels of competition, but its clear Wall is fast even for the NBA.

Yeah, he clearly was not the fastest in ANY of the combine test which proves a point that jock riding is ridiculous.

First you say the combine numbers are 'moot', and then you say him not being the fastest in any of the combine test 'proves a point'... Which one is it?

Nevertheless;

1. He was par with Ty Lawson who some consider to be the fastest man in the NBA
2. He was second in lane agility, nearly a second faster than Rose, Ford and Ellis.
3. His max vertical is up there with the best of them.

Moreover, I don't see who is 'jock riding' a person by acknowledging they are athletic. It is reality that he is as athletic as some of the fastest guards in the league verified by the combine numbers. It is HATE for someone to dispute facts even to the point of constructing feeble arguments to attempt to invalidate hard data, in the interest of getting an imaginary point across. I will say that he has been hyped up quite heavily, but that is more due to his skill level in conjunction with his athleticism as opposed to just how fast he is or how high he jumps.

The kid is going to be one of the best PG's in the league and a star in the future. He has an instinct for the PG position, and an instinct for the game with the athleticism and size to match. Any person that analyzes and knows the game will likely have the same conclusion.