NBA 2K11 Demo Roundtable

[Emaay]

It could be done. Just takes two intelligent individuals, not unlike ourselves, to sit down and have a debate over whether it should be tried. I wouldn't use euphoria though. It's seems to be specifically tailored to football. It was just an example to show how it could be done. Tackle physics is not unlike in air collisions and take charge physics in basketball. And the other guy is also right about signature moves. The finess part of basketball is very important but as there aren't really signature collisions in bball that point I'd kinda mute. Whats to say that signature dribbling styles and shooting form couldn't be graphed into specific character models. Kobe and only Kobe plays like Kobe but within the rules of the physics engine. And what's to say having separately running engines to govern players and the ball is bad. That's essentially what real basketball is. But you bring up alot of good point though. Good discussion.

[Buck_Foston_]

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[Carrington618]

swac07 what dont we understand i like 2k over EA. All im saying is that if ur on the fence about get a basket ball game this demo does not help 2k. Alot of people dont read all the hype they wait til they get their hands -on the game. for people like that, the demo is the first chance they get to play the game. now a lot of people that played 2k 10 , nba live 10 or never wanted to play a basket ball vid game until LJ went to MIA are turn off by this demo its for the hard core b/c the only thing it teaches you is how to shoot free throws. a lot of players cant pull off the new dribble moves an other features this frustrates people and turns them off.EAs demo show you how to do all the new features they do a better job at the demo stage (not the game) Bac in 03 i played the demo of 2k 4 it was good(a great looking game) but live was better(over all) with the free style(the control of your player witch is something 2k admits that they fix this year). live just played better for 3 years 2k knew this that why the price of there games is was $20. I dont buy games based on hype or on what they did last year. I wait until i get my hands on them and see witch one of them i like better

[coolcras7]

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swac07 what dont we understand i like 2k over EA. All im saying is that if ur on the fence about get a basket ball game this demo does not help 2k. Alot of people dont read all the hype they wait til they get their hands -on the game. for people like that, the demo is the first chance they get to play the game. now a lot of people that played 2k 10 , nba live 10 or never wanted to play a basket ball vid game until LJ went to MIA are turn off by this demo its for the hard core b/c the only thing it teaches you is how to shoot free throws. a lot of players cant pull off the new dribble moves an other features this frustrates people and turns them off.EAs demo show you how to do all the new features they do a better job at the demo stage (not the game) Bac in 03 i played the demo of 2k 4 it was good(a great looking game) but live was better(over all) with the free style(the control of your player witch is something 2k admits that they fix this year). live just played better for 3 years 2k knew this that why the price of there games is was $20. I dont buy games based on hype or on what they did last year. I wait until i get my hands on them and see witch one of them i like better

Well based on the reaction on facebook, Operation Sports, Twitter, 2k forum and other game site you're wrong people love the demo and word of month is spreading, people may complain that it is to short and you can only play with the Laker but the general consensus is that the game has the potential to be SGOTY we live in the information age alot of info is getting to the public like never before every time 2k posts a new article or insight or video you see it every where and there are hundreds of comments and in response to the controls 2k has also released a video for the control maybe you need to look at it it one youtude as well as the 2k forum. The other company has yet to release anything about there game controls yet you give them the benefit of the doubt that there controls will be better come on bro, if you are leaning towards the other game that is your preference but don't try to feed anyone else bull.

[drss]

I am new to NBA games, and here is what turns me off about NBA2K11 demo:

I don't know what I'm doing in the game; the controls are too hardcore as someone stated already and got burned alive with flame messages.

So you know (as well as 2K) there will be newcomers due to Jordan, yet they release a demo like this. Barebones isn't a problem for me, the short match isn't a problem since you can restart (a hassle, but not a problem). But what strikes me as strange is they didn't include a basic tutorial for newcomers.

The controls you 2K fans says are so much improved? To me, they feel stiff and unresponsive, compared to regular (non-sports) games I play. Whatever improvements they made means nothing to me, because right now it feels unresponsive. This is obviously due to my not knowing what I'm doing, but that's essentially why a short tutorial should have been included. As it is right now, I have no way of judging whether or not I want to get this game, since the controls frustrate me and I don't know if I'll grow to like it, or if I will get used to the controls enough to feel comfortable with it.

All I have to go on is this tutorial-less demo, that is so short that even as I try to experiment with the controls myself to learn it, the frequency of having to restart adds another layer of frustration.

I also DO NOT play FIFA and NHL. Never had. I got those demos, and while I such at them and don't know what I'm doing in those either, I never felt frustrated with the controls. This leads me to wonder if my n00bness is the only factor here. My n00bness is apparent in FIFA and NHL, but no frustration with controls. Yet for NBA2K11, it frustrated me. Again, this makes me wonder if learning the controls will change my views (assuming I can learn it), but to find out I'll need to buy or rent the game.

I had a chance to play Elite 11, and like NHL, I sucked at it but I was able to play (crappily). Where in 2K11's case, I get frustrated.

[coolcras7]

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I am new to NBA games, and here is what turns me off about NBA2K11 demo:

I don't know what I'm doing in the game; the controls are too hardcore as someone stated already and got burned alive with flame messages.

So you know (as well as 2K) there will be newcomers due to Jordan, yet they release a demo like this. Barebones isn't a problem for me, the short match isn't a problem since you can restart (a hassle, but not a problem). But what strikes me as strange is they didn't include a basic tutorial for newcomers.

The controls you 2K fans says are so much improved? To me, they feel stiff and unresponsive, compared to regular (non-sports) games I play. Whatever improvements they made means nothing to me, because right now it feels unresponsive. This is obviously due to my not knowing what I'm doing, but that's essentially why a short tutorial should have been included. As it is right now, I have no way of judging whether or not I want to get this game, since the controls frustrate me and I don't know if I'll grow to like it, or if I will get used to the controls enough to feel comfortable with it.

All I have to go on is this tutorial-less demo, that is so short that even as I try to experiment with the controls myself to learn it, the frequency of having to restart adds another layer of frustration.

I also DO NOT play FIFA and NHL. Never had. I got those demos, and while I such at them and don't know what I'm doing in those either, I never felt frustrated with the controls. This leads me to wonder if my n00bness is the only factor here. My n00bness is apparent in FIFA and NHL, but no frustration with controls. Yet for NBA2K11, it frustrated me. Again, this makes me wonder if learning the controls will change my views (assuming I can learn it), but to find out I'll need to buy or rent the game.

I had a chance to play Elite 11, and like NHL, I sucked at it but I was able to play (crappily). Where in 2K11's case, I get frustrated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k2EpdcTKVE

http://community.2ksports.com/community/insights/index.cfm?aid=2891396&l=11

this will help and trust me the controls are alot easier this year, but with any game you are new to there is that adjustment phase.

[Buck_Foston_]

I wasn't near as impressed as the 360 guys were, somewhat Im sure because the ps3 version always gets the short end of the stick. It's nt just me just read the morning of the demo vs the evening reviews brilliant vs good or dissapointed.

[Buck_Foston_]

I want to see what Elite has to offer before I make my decision. Their demo is supposed to be a full demo with tutorial. One of these next two Tuesdays.

[coolcras7]

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I want to see what Elite has to offer before I make my decision. Their demo is supposed to be a full demo with tutorial. One of these next two Tuesdays.

And where exactly did you hear this because last I read there was no info what so ever about the demo.

[vexx007]

I'm one of those people you speak of Carrington. I do not like the 2k brand of basketball at all. each year i play it hoping they will change the game play some how but it just never seems to happen. the presentation changes ALOT from year to year but the game play is still very slow and non responsive. when i read reviews on here from people saying they love how real it plays i go back and play the demo again and i just dont see it.

while i can acknowledge most people prefer the 2k games Ive. always through the years had more fun playing EA's games not because they are super realistic, but because i just plain have more fun on those games.

i agree totally. i hope they give us an indept ingame tutorial and not some nonsense you gotta download.

[vexx007]

I think I need more practice with the demo because I always try to cross over Ray Allen and it never works! The only thing I can successfully do is a spin around the defender.

i hope they fix it .

[Nephilim]

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i hope they fix it .

Fix what? Incompetence of some?

I'm soooo afraid devs will listen to stupid complaints and dumb down the game. OS greatest please prevent that.

[coolcras7]

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Fix what? Incompetence of some?

I'm soooo afraid devs will listen to stupid complaints and dumb down the game. OS greatest please prevent that.

lol yeah 2k better fix their controls because I can't cross over Ray Allen, so sad.

[Carrington618]

coolcras7 i have ben playing the demo alot trying to get the moves down but alot of people dont read gaming sites or follow 2k on facebook or twitter they WAIT for the demo so you telling me about what the site said means nothing to someone who doesnt rely on hype from the sites b/c they can tell you anything and some people want to see for their self. and for those (few) people the demo is an turn off. not for me a you ( i dont like the demo but its not an turn off for me)
why are people having a hard time understanding that this demo does not help someone new who does rely on hype and want to play the game. if you read up on 2k new features then u wouldnt know how to throw an alley you wouldnt know how to do the new dribble move even if you played last year. not everybodty are geeks like us who follow sites like this or facebook they want to play first an this demo is not a good first impression

[Moneybalzs]

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Im still amazed that good presentation wipes away the fact that there are almost no physics in this game to speak of. Don't get me wrong the game is beautiful. The presentation is spot on; players look, act and play like themselves. 2k managed to capture the feel of the NBA perfectly. This almost wipes away the fact that much of the time I feel I'm watching the game and not participating. Kobe's vast array of dribble moves only make me realize that I'm not controlling the dribble as much as triggering animations. How can this be sports game of the year when you are barely controlling it. Best representation of a sport yes! SGOY sorry no. I know I'm being critical but it's the only way we'll see the game get better. If we keep accepting glossy over gameplay 2k's gonna keep shoveling reboots of the 2k10 down our throats.

pretty much this...