It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

[shay29]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I remember him saying 4 or 5 minutes which is very reasonable.

The problem with that is a lot of us play 12 minute quarters to get the true sim experience and we certainly can't play 82 games + playoffs at that rate. I tried before. By game 28 with the same team, I started simming.

I agree. I play 12 minute quarters for the realism, but the trade off is I only play "the game of the week" and sim the rest. I played Bulls at Celtics last night, and was surprised how fast 12 minute quarters seem to go by when playing a game that turned into a straight up slow paced, defensive battle.

[tgballin]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

listen players from the 19 year old to i think 26 range have Pre determined
potential. it does not matter what is on or off or if you lower potential 5-10 points heck i lowered one -50! sim to the end of season progression screen and see.

and why this isnt being mentioned i dunno. but COACHES have a thing called 'coach sliders' that define a team's play style.

WHAT GOOD IS IT IF THEY GET FIRED???
2k told us in assoc. mode insight that teams will now play differently, but if the coaches get fired guess what. they take the coach sliders with them and the new coach hired in setttings will take effect.

think doc rivers style with the knicks or gsw style with lakers, whatever.
its important.

[Jukeman]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

listen players from the 19 year old to i think 26 range have Pre determined
potential. it does not matter what is on or off or if you lower potential 5-10 points heck i lowered one -50! sim to the end of season progression screen and see.

and why this isnt being mentioned i dunno. but COACHES have a thing called 'coach sliders' that define a team's play style.

WHAT GOOD IS IT IF THEY GET FIRED???
2k told us in assoc. mode insight that teams will now play differently, but if the coaches get fired guess what. they take the coach sliders with them and the new coach hired in setttings will take effect.

think doc rivers style with the knicks or gsw style with lakers, whatever.
its important.

Progression isnt based soley on POT (this isnt Madden)

Production is the most important and POT is the "ceiling"

And are you saying if Dantoni gets fired from the Knicks and the Knicks hire a byron Scott, they should still play up tempo???

[shay29]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

agreed, that´s why i set trade to "off" until mid January.

lowering potential isn´t that big a deal (even edit some ratings for players isn´t), although i´d recommend everybody to do it after the draft to avoid cheating yourself.

For those of us who have already started our association and don't want to start over, is it possible to edit the draft class during the season? I'll be sure to edit them in the future, but one super rookie class won't make me start my association over. I guess I could also edit them once they're in the league next summer too.

[Birdman]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

For those of us who have already started our association and don't want to start over, is it possible to edit the draft class during the season? I'll be sure to edit them in the future, but one super rookie class won't make me start my association over. I guess I could also edit them once they're in the league next summer too.

No but you can edit them after the draft indeed.

[timid]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

controlling all 30 teams fixes a lot of issues. ..i changed the playbooks for all teams with new personnel since i guess 2k didnt do it.they did a great job on the playbooks tho..had to give shaq some plays for celtics...they had all 4 of t4he same generic plays for the starting c...i made some players stars that werent dirk iggy granger....etc i play every game for my team and sim the rest

[..GameOver..]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Sorry to say it man, but until they fix it, it is broken.

Home court advantage, particularly in the playoffs is just ridiculous. Home teams will win by a margin of by like 30 points almost all the time.

In 20 different sims iv'e done, one sweep has occured, one. Most of the time series go to game 7, and whoever has the home court advantage does usually win.

And it's not that trade logic is messed up, it's just after year three, you'll be lucky to see 2 trades a year.

I believe the Sim logic is the worst part. It makes the playoffs so predictable it's not even funny.

You will notice it during the regular season too. At the end of the year look at how many games teams lost on the road. They really need to fix the sim logic, badly.

They touted association as being so great this year, and because of these 2-3 problems, it's broken.

I must have a different copy of the game or something than all of you guys. I simmed the playoffs one season and saw 3 sweeps in the first round. Second round were much tighter and the 3rd round was 4-1 in one series and 4-2 in the other. Finals was a sweep as well. I did a fantasy draft to start the game so maybe that might be a reason why?

Only problem I have had with the game so far is the players who play in the D League. I had a really good offensive team. I still had role players playing at the SG and C. I went to free agency and saw some decent players. I did not have cap space to sign some of them so I checked the D-League. I found Evan Turner (rated 84) in the D-League. I then picked him up and picked up Greg Monroe from the D-League for minimum contracts and won the championship that season. If you have a crappy team check the D-League often because I guarantee you there will be some solid players down there.

[tgballin]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Progression isnt based soley on POT (this isnt Madden)

Production is the most important and POT is the "ceiling"

And are you saying if Dantoni gets fired from the Knicks and the Knicks hire a byron Scott, they should still play up tempo???

production is most important you say ok. i just simmed a season where joakim noah log career low in points rebs and minutes played with
7pts 7rebs in 24 mins due to injury: STILL THE SAME PROGRESSION as another sim where he started all but 10 games and averaged career high minutes.

and another thing about production, BREVIN KNIGHT averaged 10pts and 8 assts.
good thing he's old by your logic or he would be improving despite being out of the league for years now.
another examply wesley johnson despite a 0 morale and actually saying i was 'trying to be the worst gm in history' -gained his usual +3 ovr.
see simmed stats for cpu controlled teams, PPG for everybody is high.

my next sim is coaching bulls,wiz,grizz,thunder w/ d.rose,j.noah,andrayblatche,john wall,rudy gay,oj mayo, kevin durant and russell westbrook relegated to bench warmers with about 2 mpg.
will post results.

p.s also if production helps the player grow well with so many players avg at least 20 ppg they definitely wont be stunted.



as for the coaching first of all d'antonio should not be fired anytime withing the first 3 or so years in my assoc imo.the others retire.
but didnt when i offered them extensions (g.karl rick adelman jerry sloan)

say you dL a file from nogster or rashidi, and they have edited coach profiles to make teams play better. by year 2 or 3, those changes are irrelevant mickey sanders will be coaching with his default coach sliders which is based on god knows what.

[timid]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

when players on other teams get hurt i change there min if i need to ....if their injured long enough ill change their role if they have any left....players may get mad at less min but if theyll be back soon ill leave them on starter etc if they demand a trade ill put them on the block and offer trades. ..this way i get realistic trades throughout my season...sim stats are on point since i adj pbs and coach profiles

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

controlling all 30 teams fixes a lot of issues. ..i changed the playbooks for all teams with new personnel since i guess 2k didnt do it.they did a great job on the playbooks tho..had to give shaq some plays for celtics...they had all 4 of t4he same generic plays for the starting c...i made some players stars that werent dirk iggy granger....etc i play every game for my team and sim the rest

So the teams won't adjust their playbooks as their personnel changes?? If not, controlling all 30 teams and changing playbooks at beginning of each year for teams that changed personnel would be ideal to do. And wouldn't really be that hard either. I won't mess with them first season.

My question is tho, how do u handle free agency?? And trades?? Can u let all the teams do free agency and trade on their own? And the team u play with, u control it manually?

[jerseyballer7]

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I decided to sim an association and noticed that only 1 or 2 teams had a positive road record and only by a game or 2 which was really awkward. The home records were just ridiculous....literally every team on both conferences had a good home record even the teams that didn't make the playoffs....

I was also noticing that while playing my fantasy association, that when I'm on the road the CPU is much more aggressive at home and gives me a hard time. I recently got destroyed by the Bulls by over 20 points. I come home to face the wizards and 5 mins into the game (12 min quarters/simulation/all star difficulty) I'm up by 13 and Melo has 10 points all from which I'm swishing left and right, meantime CPU is missing open shots. I'm starting to wonder if the HCA issue not only happens when simulating a game but also effects actual gameplay itself. If so then screw this, I guess no association for me until this is fixed and since from what I'm hearing about online is crap, I'm basically down to playing quick games vs the cpu....

I hope I'm wrong but I was experiencing this a few times and thought nothing of it but started to look at my stats and sensed something wasn't right. Maybe it's just me...I dunno...I will play some more to see if things change.

[DarthRambo]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

when players on other teams get hurt i change there min if i need to ....if their injured long enough ill change their role if they have any left....players may get mad at less min but if theyll be back soon ill leave them on starter etc if they demand a trade ill put them on the block and offer trades. ..this way i get realistic trades throughout my season...sim stats are on point since i adj pbs and coach profiles

Hmm...sounds logical, but like a lot of work too. I plan to turn morale/player roles off. So will that make it easier? I think I can control all 30, adjust injured players minutes but I won't mess with coach profiles. May adjust playbooks if a team signs big star in free agency.

[marc68]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

lol ...i knew there would be something wrong with the best game ever! Leave it to the operation sports faithful to find the problem, thank god I have been busy and havnt opened my copy.

[CabreraMVP]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Trading is too easy, but the game doesnt make you offer trades. It would be more realistic if the trade finder would email you offers after a few days, like MLB The Show. But again, while that is unrealistic, the game isnt making you offer trades. I put up Stuckey and Prince and picked through and found an offer that was realistic (Zack Randolph) and went it and re-structed a deal around him.

And the other stuff is overrated. Like how the AI vs AI games arent sweeps in the playoffs? Home does that effect the user?

The morale thing has always been dumb. Ben Wallace dropped 2 points after I lossed 2 in a row. it's always been like that. It's always been impossible (since 2k9 at least) to please everybody with their role and their minutes.

I have Thabeet playing behind Monroe and Big Ben Wallace and he is complaining, The game needs to realize that he is the 3rd best center on the team so I'm going to play him accordingly. As long as you win games though, things will take care of itself. As long as you keep your main guys happy, which isnt too hard, you're fine.

I have a question though. Greg Monroe got hurt, about 2 weeks. He can play through it but I dont have a need to. Can you place him on IR or something? If I lower his minutes to 0 I'm afraid he'll get upset. Don't wait his rating to drop.

[lilkobebigmike]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

All right we have addressed the main issues, HCA being my biggest Gripe, in my simulation no team had a winning road record, but come playoff time their were only three game 7s so Who knows, Player Roles is also an issue, along with High Rated rookies and FA Signings....So the question now is how do we get it 2 the DEVS in time 4 the first patch