It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

[Gosens6]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Thanks.Well im not havin that much trouble with my own team its the other 29.Im sure this can be fixed by controlling all 30 but the off season just seems a little to time consuming when controlling all 30. But the guys you named above manu,shaq(Mainley the whole celtics bench) stay PO'd.Will turnin roles off help the cpu teams?You tell me what works best when you wanna control one team and thats what ill do. You seem like you've put alot of time in this which is highley appreciated to us Association nuts.Plus are you usin 2kroster or are you downloading a 2kshare roster? The "out the box" rosters seem a little high for certain players.Thanks bro.

When you want to control one team, turn off player roles. Not only because of "sixth men" being upset that they don't start, when starters get injured, the cpu changes their role also, and that pisses them off.

It's ridiculous, as much as I love 2K and there game, they should have put more time into Association the way they were hyping it up this year.

I've been using the rosters 2K provides us with for all these tests also, I think it gives us a better understanding of what's wrong with the game. I don't want to use some downloaded rosters and make everything screwy. So when I do the Association tests, it's with 2K rosters.

[Jukeman]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Well, here's the way i'm going to do it. I'll have one primary team I control, which will be the Bobcats.

That's the team I play all the games for and such, but, for the other 29 teams i'll be handling the player roles, who starts, sixth man and all of that.

Once mid-january rolls around, i'll check every player on every team, see the type of numbers he's putting up, if he's unhappy, contract he has and things like that to determine if he warrants a trade or not.

After that, i'll look at the rumor mill, the rumor mill is also a great way to see who could possibly be traded (adds some spice to league)

Once I get to the off-season, i'll be handling contracts, draft and free agency for every team. It's quite a pain but I guess if you can get through all of it it's well worth it to have a realistic NBA. Think of it as you playing god.

It takes away a bit of the unpredictability, which is why I really don't like doing it, but until 2K patches this it's my only option.

The metric stats has alot of info and you can really see who's the weakest link on any giving team, could help with drafting, trades and signings

[Pitfighter87]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

When you want to control one team, turn off player roles. Not only because of "sixth men" being upset that they don't start, when starters get injured, the cpu changes their role also, and that pisses them off.

It's ridiculous, as much as I love 2K and there game, they should have put more time into Association the way they were hyping it up this year.

I've been using the rosters 2K provides us with for all these tests also, I think it gives us a better understanding of what's wrong with the game. I don't want to use some downloaded rosters and make everything screwy. So when I do the Association tests, it's with 2K rosters.

k thanks alot.Im fixin to give it a shot.

[elprez98]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I'm on the 360 and I'm going to try to sim a couple more and get back to you.

[Gosens6]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

The metric stats has alot of info and you can really see who's the weakest link on any giving team, could help with drafting, trades and signings

Yes, also another great tool..

Thanks, I forgot about that.

[fcabanski]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I may have found why no FA's are signed, and it isn't just because of the strength of the draft class.

In 2012 every team in the association drafted R. Soto (80 overall) in the second round. I drafted him too, but he wasn't available to sign in the sign rookie screen.

The FA pool was loaded with mid 70's rated guys who were undrafted because all the teams selected Soto.

That's why lowering the ratings seems to fix the FA problem, because all those undrafted guys then fall below the known name guys. Thus the known name guys are signed in FA.

But when the draft class isn't edited to lower ratings, all those undrafted rookies are selected in FA instead of the known names.

If all the teams didn't draft the same guy in the second round, the problem wouldn't exist. FA list would be full of only the guys from the NBA who went FA, rather than all those undrafted rookies.

[Gosens6]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I may have found why no FA's are signed, and it isn't just because of the strength of the draft class.

In 2012 every team in the association drafted R. Soto (80 overall) in the second round. I drafted him too, but he wasn't available to sign in the sign rookie screen.

The FA pool was loaded with mid 70's rated guys who were undrafted because all the teams selected Soto.

That's why lowering the ratings seems to fix the FA problem, because all those undrafted guys then fall below the known name guys. Thus the known name guys are signed in FA.

But when the draft class isn't edited to lower ratings, all those undrafted rookies are selected in FA instead of the known names.

If all the teams didn't draft the same guy in the second round, the problem wouldn't exist. FA list would be full of only the guys from the NBA who went FA, rather than all those undrafted rookies.

Happened to me earlier, I think it happens when you edit the draft classes, which would be insane.

I don't think it has anything to do with free agency though, unless i'm not understanding you correctly.

That bug never happened to me until I edited some draft classes, and even then it only happened once. Let's just hope it's a fluke.

[alfieb24]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Happened to me earlier, I think it happens when you edit the draft classes, which would be insane.

I don't think it has anything to do with free agency though, unless i'm not understanding you correctly.

That bug never happened to me until I edited some draft classes, and even then it only happened once. Let's just hope it's a fluke.

In the two tests I ran, I edited one draft class in the first test and used 3 edited draft classes for the second test, and I didn't run into that bug so I'm not sure what caused it for you guys.

Also, awesome job Gosens and everyone else running these tests. I'm still trying to figure out what setting to use for my association and this thread helps out a lot

[fcabanski]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

"I don't think it has anything to do with free agency though, unless i'm not understanding you correctly."

When the glitch happens it does have to do with FA, because all those undrafted rookies go into the FA pool.

But since it doesn't happen all the time, the FA bug is generally related to teams having access to too many quality players from the draft (mid 70's to low 80's guys).

To clarify:

When this bug happens, these players who would normally get drafted aren't. They drop into the FA pool. When teams sign FA's, there's all these rookies near or at the top of the list.

When this doesn't happen, teams select all these pretty high rated rookies. So when it comes time to sign FA's in the offseason the teams don't. Their needs are filled via the draft. They also don't trade or sign FA's during the season because their needs were filled in the draft.

[Gosens6]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

"I don't think it has anything to do with free agency though, unless i'm not understanding you correctly."

When the glitch happens it does have to do with FA, because all those undrafted rookies go into the FA pool.

But since it doesn't happen all the time, the FA bug is generally related to teams having access to too many quality players from the draft (mid 70's to low 80's guys).

To clarify:

When this bug happens, these players who would normally get drafted aren't. They drop into the FA pool. When teams sign FA's, there's all these rookies near or at the top of the list.

When this doesn't happen, teams select all these pretty high rated rookies. So when it comes time to sign FA's in the offseason the teams don't. Their needs are filled via the draft. They also don't trade or sign FA's during the season because their needs were filled in the draft.

OOO Okay I see what you're saying now..

Yeah that's 100% correct. Hopefully that glitch doesn't happen too often

[3rdAnswer]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Sup brothers.

I'm late to the thread, but I've had this game since day 1 and have not touched association mode at all, I just started My Player for now. I was ready to start an association until I see this thread.

Can someone bring me up to speed?

What are the problems/glitches with association mode?

[Fiasco West]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Sup brothers.

I'm late to the thread, but I've had this game since day 1 and have not touched association mode at all, I just started My Player for now. I was ready to start an association until I see this thread.

Can someone bring me up to speed?

What are the problems/glitches with association mode?

After year one CPU does not make trades or signs FAs, others are reporting it gets worse as years pass and you'll see the likes of Melo just sitting in FA.

Injured players having their roles changed and dropping their morale.

Home court advantage seems to be too strong in some sims.

Right now i'll just enjoy Jordan mode and Myplayer until/if they patch this.

[3rdAnswer]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

@ Fiasco West.

Thanks for the quick reply.

It's a shame but I guess I can hope for a patch.

[mango_prom]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

After year one CPU does not make trades or signs FAs, others are reporting it gets worse as years pass and you'll see the likes of Melo just sitting in FA.

I've simmed through 12 seasons and there are unsigned players with ratings of 90 and better because every team is already overpowered with drafted star players. I wonder why 2k didn't fix this, it has been like that for years and nobody seems to notice.

[elprez98]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

After year one CPU does not make trades or signs FAs, others are reporting it gets worse as years pass and you'll see the likes of Melo just sitting in FA.

Injured players having their roles changed and dropping their morale.

Home court advantage seems to be too strong in some sims.

Right now i'll just enjoy Jordan mode and Myplayer until/if they patch this.

After further sims, the problems DO began around year 5-6 with uneven home/road records in the regular season. It does need to be tweaked a bit. I looked through NBA stats and, contrary to popular belief, there are usually only 5-6 teams with winning road records every season. I found that around year six the number drops to 1-3 teams with respectable road splits.

The playoff blowouts are still not very prevalent in my sims. I got a lot of 1-8 upsets actually.

Finally, I did see the lack of trades, although FA were still being signed. So in conclusion, I just didn't sim far enough ahead, but I still wouldn't call any of these things "game braking" aspects to association.