It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

[LionsFanNJ]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Meh. I'll be playing enough games in my association(s) (I run two, one with the Nets and another with GSW) and through My Player and Jordan that by the time i get to the offseason 2k will patch these issues.

I alread edit rookies though before all these findings, though personally i'm not finding them as gamebreakers unless that draft glitch gets prevalent.

[wepr3]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

We tried man, myself, you and the other guys in this thread tried our hardest to fix this problem.

I want to apologize to everyone who was looking forward to a solution, myself and the other guys did every test we could to try and find a way to fix this no trading problem; I guess it just wasn't meant to be.

I'm not angry towards 2K, just disappointed. I know that no game is perfect, every game will have flaws and glitches, but when the bugs and glitches are in the main mode that a lot of us play, and they basically kill the mode for us, well hey, it's hard not to be angry.

The home court advantage bug, the no trading bug, the free agency bug, the player morale bug, these are all vital to association mode and when they don't work, it's fatal.

I'll continue to play because I love this game, but iv'e done everything under the sun to try and correct some of these problems. We can only hope that 2K is working to fix these problems, most noticeably the trades and HCA bugs.

I don't have the patience to control all 30 teams, it would have been fun to see how teams really mold and shape their roster through trades and free agency, but when the generated rookies come in better than some starters, I see why it's not necessary.

Yet, even when you lower the ratings of EVERY incoming rookie, you still get no trades. Did no one at 2K sim past year 2 in Association and see these problems? Did the guys who worked on "home court advantage" see that it's more than a little out of control?

These things need to be worked on before one can truly enjoy Association mode. Yet I must say, thank you 2K for the best basketball game of our generation, just do us offline guys a favor and fix this for us...

No reason to apologize - thank you for all your hard work.

[wepr3]

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So, after reading the thread, here's where I'm at:

** not willing to control 30 teams - that's what killed 2k10 for me
** turn off player roles
** turn off chemistry

The last point is where I need help:

** edit draft classes

I saw someone mentioned just lowering off/def awareness, someone else mentioned Potential and other various ratings - has anyone reached a consensus on how to edit?

Thanks.

[Fiasco West]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

I've simmed through 12 seasons and there are unsigned players with ratings of 90 and better because every team is already overpowered with drafted star players. I wonder why 2k didn't fix this, it has been like that for years and nobody seems to notice.

I think this year it is highlighted. Because previous years the CPU would still try to sign Melo even if they are loaded with SFs. Now they add this AI for teams and they are doing what they are supposed to be doing. Last year the CPU just made moves to make them really.

After further sims, the problems DO began around year 5-6 with uneven home/road records in the regular season. It does need to be tweaked a bit. I looked through NBA stats and, contrary to popular belief, there are usually only 5-6 teams with winning road records every season. I found that around year six the number drops to 1-3 teams with respectable road splits.

The playoff blowouts are still not very prevalent in my sims. I got a lot of 1-8 upsets actually.

Finally, I did see the lack of trades, although FA were still being signed. So in conclusion, I just didn't sim far enough ahead, but I still wouldn't call any of these things "game braking" aspects to association.

the last sim I ran the Lakers and Heat had pretty good away records and the playoffs had road wins, a few upsets, and 4th seeded Celtics going to the finals...even beating Miami twice on the road on their way there. So i'm not sure, maybe others are running into some kind of glitch?

[mango_prom]

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I think this year it is highlighted. Because previous years the CPU would still try to sign Melo even if they are loaded with SFs. Now they add this AI for teams and they are doing what they are supposed to be doing. Last year the CPU just made moves to make them really.

The ai builds their rosters more balanced this year for sure. A lack of moves is caused by rookies being rated too high which has been the case since NBA 2k2. This kinda kills association for me, every team is rated 90+ after a few years.

[Peter_OS]

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Why do we have to go through all of this, to play association mode??

Do these game developers test their games??? How can they miss these issues?? It frustrates me to no end!

My excitement was immense after hearing and seeing the game in action, but after getting the game and playing association mode, my excitement went down the drain! The Home and Away records, the blowout scores in the playoffs, and draft class is a game breaker for me in association mode.

I refuse to control all 30 teams and make changes, to make association mode at least playable. It still doesn't fix some of the issues noted in this thread!

I only play association mode, and I'm not big on the online play.

2K should patch and fix this asap!! Arghhhhhhhh!!

I didn't pay to get half a game 2K!!

[Whomario]

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I agree that it is unbelievable that aparently no one took the time to just quickly sim ahead 8-10 years and look once a season what is going wrong...

So, if we leave player roles on, can anyone answer theese questions ?

1) Do they (and the morale) reset in the offseason ?
2) How big is the Impact of an angry player (injury-drop) to his OVRL rating ?
3) Will allowing trades to happen only for 2 weeks before the trade deadline help with respect to too many disgruntled players being traded away ?
4) Would player roles make for a more realistic rotation ?

[GamingJones]

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This thread had me real worried about the game being busted.

While all of the flaws in this thread exist to some extent, they are not nearly as bad as this thread would lead you to believe.

Maybe it was just the luck of the draw, but each year I saw a handful of teams (Lakers, Heat) with winning away records.

I hope 2K tweaks some of this stuff, but people shouldn't let this scare them away from a deep franchise mode.

[Gosens6]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

This thread had me real worried about the game being busted.

While all of the flaws in this thread exist to some extent, they are not nearly as bad as this thread would lead you to believe.

Maybe it was just the luck of the draw, but each year I saw a handful of teams (Lakers, Heat) with winning away records.

I hope 2K tweaks some of this stuff, but people shouldn't let this scare them away from a deep franchise mode.

By no means are we telling people to stay away from the mode, hell, even with all the flaws i'm still playing it.

Like Peter_OS said, I don't play online, I never have and never will, My Player mode does NOTHING for me, and while playing the Jordan challenge and quick games with classic teams is fun for a while, it loses its appeal.

Association is the meat and potatoes of my gaming, and when the flaws are this bad and effect playing it, well sir, myself and others have a problem.

Some people are okay with no trades happening after the first two years, we're not, some people are okay with the ridiculous road records, we're not, others are okay with the frequent blowouts by home teams in the playoffs, we're not.

We're also not okay with rookies coming in TOO TOO HIGH, we're not okay with elite players sitting in the free agent pool because of these superhuman rookies, we're not okay with a player getting injured, his role being changed because of his injury, and him being so upset that he can't play he wants to be traded.

We want a real sixth man system, where guys like Manu, Ja. Crawford, Jason Terry and Shaq don't get pissed off when they have to come off the bench,

All of these are major issues to those of us who want the most realistic experience possible. Myself and others spent hours trying to find ways to make trades happen after the 3rd season, there is no workaround too it, trades just won't happen, you're lucky to get 1 a season after the 3rd year.

This is unacceptable, especially after I did research and showed that between 30-50 trades happen each season in the NBA (counting the off-season) so how would between 0 and 1 trades be acceptable for anybody?

But, if none of these bother you, and you can enjoy this mode, I commend you. I'm not trying to steer anyone over to the "dark side" to not play the mode, I just felt that some people should be aware of the problems, mainly 2K so they can set out to fix at least some of them in a patch.

I thank you guys for being patient with me like I said before, once again I apologize for not being able to find a fix for the trading. Let's not let this thread get buried, 2K needs to be aware of these problems.

[Whomario]

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The Home/Away record really is the least of the problems and complaints, well behind :

1) Injured players being assigned a lesser role and upon coming back from injury not playing ----> huge OVRL loss due to wrecked morale
2) Incoming rookies on default being way too strong = too much talent influx (if the current default roster has maybe 0-12 guys with an 85+ rating, any given draft class can produce that number. Now imagine what 10 draft classes do to the talent level)
3) no trades happening post Year 1 if you don´t fix No2

those are the big ones, No2 can be fixed but No1 not really and it is clearly a bug and no design choice. Well, we could play without injuries (and i´ve tested it, it looks pretty good)

[Jukeman]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

The Home/Away record really is the least of the problems and complaints, well behind :

1) Injured players being assigned a lesser role and upon coming back from injury not playing ----> huge OVRL loss due to wrecked morale
2) Incoming rookies on default being way too strong = too much talent influx (if the current default roster has maybe 0-12 guys with an 85+ rating, any given draft class can produce that number. Now imagine what 10 draft classes do to the talent level)
3) no trades happening post Year 1 if you don´t fix No2

those are the big ones, No2 can be fixed but No1 not really and it is clearly a bug and no design choice. Well, we could play without injuries (and i´ve tested it, it looks pretty good)

Only big issue (since the user cant fix) is the HCA

Players get there morale back when thet are back from injury and starting again, also the cpu doesnt just trade away angry players this year because the AI has logic in roster management unlike last year. They also lost their role only if they are OUT for a long time which rarely even happen

HCA is the only alarming problem IMO, draft classes may be second if there is a limit on how many custom draft class we can load up (I loaded up 5 then my game froze on the sixth, however I was able to auto generate a class and edit within my association)

And once the draft classes are fix, everthiing else fixes itself

How 2k patch the incoming rooks so usere wont have to do it ourself..

The default rookies outside of Wall, Favors, Cousins and Turner all range from low 50's to high 60's

So even a draft class that feature 20+ guys at 71 with 71 being the highest rating is too high...

Food for thought

[Gosens6]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Only big issue (since the user cant fix) is the HCA

Players get there morale back when thet are back from injury and starting again, also the cpu doesnt just trade away angry players this year because the AI has logic in roster management unlike last year. They also lost their role only if they are OUT for a long time which rarely even happen

HCA is the only alarming problem IMO, draft classes may be second if there is a limit on how many custom draft class we can load up (I loaded up 5 then my game froze on the sixth, however I was able to auto generate a class and edit within my association)

And once the draft classes are fix, everthiing else fixes itself

How 2k patch the incoming rooks so usere wont have to do it ourself..

The default rookies outside of Wall, Favors, Cousins and Turner all range from low 50's to high 60's

So even a draft class that feature 20+ guys at 71 with 71 being the highest rating is too high...

Food for thought

Agreed 100%, once the draft classes are toned down, we should see realistic trading and Free agency movement.

The HCA thing though, i'm a bit worried they won't be able to fix it. They would have to change their entire sim engine, who knows how much effort and time that would take.

As of right now, that's the only thing that's scaring the crap out of me when it comes to the question of, what are they fixing?

[TheWorldIsYours]

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Agreed 100%, once the draft classes are toned down, we should see realistic trading and Free agency movement.

The HCA thing though, i'm a bit worried they won't be able to fix it. They would have to change their entire sim engine, who knows how much effort and time that would take.

As of right now, that's the only thing that's scaring the crap out of me when it comes to the question of, what are they fixing?

Very true but at the same time would it be that hard just to give teams some more road wins and home losses? The standings should still even out. They dont need to go overboard all the need to do is tone down the amount of teams having 30+ wins at home.

I hope they can fix it, it does not kill association for me but it makes it far less enjoyable.

[Dalifeblives]

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Anyone have any idea when they are going to fix this? All I play is association so this really pisses me off! How soon did the first patch come out for nba 2k10? Right now the game has no value to me with this game mode being broken.

[Slinky O]

Re: It would be a total Buzz kill if Association mode is as broken...

Anyone have any idea when they are going to fix this? All I play is association so this really pisses me off! How soon did the first patch come out for nba 2k10? Right now the game has no value to me with this game mode being broken.

Yeah, is there any news saying that they are even going to look into it? I really want to start playing soon but it is tough when reading all these issues...