Catch Up Logic - EXTREMELY frustrating

[Jukeman]

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I keep cluth on but lower it to 0

[CelticBalla32]

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Last night I played on Sim/Pro, the only sliders I tweaked from Simulation are the CPU and User shooting sliders, which I raised a tad to keep the shooting percentages a bit more realistic (sometimes on sim you'll find games where both teams shoot under 40% and that's a little over the top).

I was Orlando at home, playing Atlanta. I was ahead all game, Atlanta made a mini-run (something like 8-2) to start the 4th but I still ended up winning by like 16. No crazy comebacks here.

[RBelly_502]

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Call a timeout when the computer is in the midst of a stupid run. This is the first 2k that i've actually seen hot players cool off because of a TO.

[ssh000]

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I've been ahead three games now and then the fourth quarter comes up and wala - your team can't do crap. I'm only playing at the pro level, as of now I'm 0-3 in my franchise using the Grizzlies. I appreciate the AI, though it gets over the top on some things making sure it catches up to you. Is anyone else experiencing this?

Seen this too. Feels pretty 1990s to me....

[Cowboys Fan 85]

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"I was playing an Association game last night with the New Jersey Nets versus the Miami Heat on All-Star/Sim. I was up by 17 at one point. As soon as the clock hit 3 minutes in the 3rd Quarter, something switched. It's like I could almost sense that a run was about to happen, and sure enough it did. I was knocking free throws down the entire game, and suddenly I couldn't hit a single freethrow. And one's and layups that I was getting earlier in the game wasn't falling anymore. Lebron, who had been dormant for most of the game, just came alive. I couldn't stop penetration. They were dunking at will. Whenever I had an easy fast break or block, the on-the-fly coaching box glitch would occur negating my fast break or my block opportunity.

I still ended up winning the game, but it came down to the wire when it really shouldn't. There is definitely some Rubberband AI built into this game."

That's What She Said!!!

[Poochie D]

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**** the rubberband AI BS in this game. Why don't they actually reward good defense instead of resorting to cheap solutions to create false tension? This trash was acceptable in NBA Jam in 1993, not 17 years later.

Before anyone says "basketball is game about runs" why don't you also tell me how plausible is it that Eddy Curry would out-rebound Dwight Howard? Because that's what just happened to me in a quick game.

[jsquigg]

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**** the rubberband AI BS in this game. Why don't they actually reward good defense instead of resorting to cheap solutions to create false tension? This trash was acceptable in NBA Jam in 1993, not 17 years later.

Before anyone says "basketball is game about runs" why don't you also tell me how plausible is it that Eddy Curry would out-rebound Dwight Howard? Because that's what just happened to me in a quick game.

OH NOOOOOOOOOOS!!!!!!!!!!
Call the sim police!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude, maybe you should practice getting better and box out once in awhile.

[WTF]

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You're absolutely correct, that is what it refers to. There is a "change in momentum" aspect that is built into the game, but I don't think it has anything to do with clutch. I have never felt like those runs were overpowered or unstoppable. I've always found that making a few good plays in a row almost always cools things down.

I was up by 23 points in Philadelphia last night with the Pacers in the 3rd quarter. They started going on their super run, or I could feel it anyway. If they scored 2 unanswered baskets, I would simply call a time out. They chipped it away to 11, but through consistent time outs, and regaining composure, I was able to build my lead back and eventually win by 21.

It's not just calling time outs though... it's making adjustments during the TO's that really make the difference I think. That, and of course, not buying into the rush "offense" that they try to make you play. You get all helter skelter, getting upset because they're coming back, taking quick dumb shots trying to stop their rally.

I'm loving it this year.

[bruinsftw2k]

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I was thinking the exact same thing. I don't want to play an easy AI, it gets old quick. I'm not changing the clutch slider either.

There is a big difference between a legit run and a computer catch up AI run.
Its one thing if the computer is making a run when you really are not playing well, but its another thing when the CPU will go on a run and shoot over 80% in a quarter and your team will not be able to do anything. It seems like the engine just makes all your shots start missing (even when its in the green and you are wide open), and it seems all your passes even the short ones are picked off.

I haven seen legit runs in this game and those are fine, but there are some that are just cheap AI tatics to keep the games close.

How can you seriously have Jordan (for example) shooting 60% the whole game, and be hot, then the cpu starts to make their run and then Jordan cant complete a pass or make a shot to save his life, then of course once the cpu goes ahead by two, something resets and jordan is a beast again.

[Chairman7w]

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Okay Bruinsftw, but what about the games that you play where you just win.

No comeback, no craziness - just... you lead and build it up and win.

Does the comeback AI only kick in SOMETIMES?? How often?

Cause I haven't seen it. I've won some games and lost some games, and seen me AND the computer comeback from deficits, but never anything crazy. Just a team shooting better and the other team not playing as well as they were when they built the lead.

I think you're seeing something that's not there. Sometimes a team gets hot and another gets cold. There huge comebacks in the real NBA probably every night.

[bruinsftw2k]

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Okay Bruinsftw, but what about the games that you play where you just win.

No comeback, no craziness - just... you lead and build it up and win.

Does the comeback AI only kick in SOMETIMES?? How often?

Cause I haven't seen it. I've won some games and lost some games, and seen me AND the computer comeback from deficits, but never anything crazy. Just a team shooting better and the other team not playing as well as they were when they built the lead.

I think you're seeing something that's not there. Sometimes a team gets hot and another gets cold. There huge comebacks in the real NBA probably every night.

The games you just win are games that are close for the whole game so there is no need for a catch up logic since the game is close for the whole game. You cant tell me that its logical and not cheap AI for the CPU to shoot 85% or so from the field for a quarter to catch up.

The CPU shot 15-18 from the field, then once the game got close and they went ahead they went back to shooting at a normal clip again.

Even I dont shoot that well against the CPU, the highest I have ever gotten was 73% and that quarter the CPU shot 65%.

The come back AI does not happen if you build your lead over the whole game, it usually happens if you are ahead by more then 10 points by half time, then the Cpu will turn on the come back AI to even up the score.

I want the game to be challenging but not if the CPU has to cheat.

[Reece2106]

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Eh not really. I have my bad games, but then there's some where I come back.
examples...I was playing as the Thunder in Association and had a 8 point lead coming into the 4th on the Spurs (5 minute quarters btw) and ended up down by 4. Managed to edge it back and win by 3.

Then I was Phoenix against OKC in a quick game and was down by 13 going into the fourth. Managed to get it down to 1 but lost by 5 in the end.

I'm enjoying it thus far.

Now, that's my second post...off to post my Dynasty

[trobinson97]

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It's "voila".

Basketball is a game of runs.

Sometimes a player will get more rebounds than Dwight Howard.

Sometimes you will just get lit up by excellent and elite scorers like Durant. It's pretty simple.

If you see momentum changing, call a timeout, adjust your defensive strategies and matchups.

I use the comeback AI as a joke when I am playing against friends and I'm not doing so well. It's easier to just blame the AI.

I haven't experienced any real comeback AI, because I am not good and am usually losing by the time the 4th quarter comes around.

I have personally come back in some games but that's only due to my improving skill, not the AI giving me a boost. I get stronger as the game goes on.

[SteeperCheck]

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Some tips:

1.) Timeouts are there for a reason
- Use it to stop the bleeding, sub a tired player or collect your players.

2.) Dictate your pace
- You can choose to play with your own strength or go with the flow of the opponent.

3.) Find mismatches
- A 6'9" SF with a good post up play will dominate a 6'6" SF. I hope you get what I mean.

4.) Use your playbooks
- Don't stick to one play, like they said in-game, "a good play is a good play, let it go and move forward, same with the bad play". The CPU WILL adjust.

5.) Play Smart BASKETBALL
- In short "PLAY SMART".

[bruinsftw2k]

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It's "voila".

Basketball is a game of runs.

Sometimes a player will get more rebounds than Dwight Howard.

Sometimes you will just get lit up by excellent and elite scorers like Durant. It's pretty simple.

If you see momentum changing, call a timeout, adjust your defensive strategies and matchups.

I use the comeback AI as a joke when I am playing against friends and I'm not doing so well. It's easier to just blame the AI.

I haven't experienced any real comeback AI, because I am not good and am usually losing by the time the 4th quarter comes around.

I have personally come back in some games but that's only due to my improving skill, not the AI giving me a boost. I get stronger as the game goes on.

I agree bball is a game of runs, and I could see one or two players getting hot and coming back on you, but when the CPU scrub players are also shooting over 80% from the field along with the stars then something is wrong.

Its one thing if one or two players are hitting all of their shots in a run but the whole team?

I still love the game, and think its the best basketball game ever, and I have been playing them since double dribble, through lakers vs celtics, through the live and 2k series.

And I love the game, its just too bad they cannot make the cpu really competive without cheap AI tricks.

It does not happen all the time (if the games are close) but every game I have been playing out the cpu at half time, they make a huge come back in the 3rd to tie it or go ahead by shooting over 80% every time, while I am still at my 45-55% from the field.