Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

[AdamBa17]

Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

Yep, great post man.

Some real spoilt kids around here. The type that would complain that their iPhone4 isnt "fast enough" whilst a kid dies in africa because he cant drink anything but germ-water.

[tril]

Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

good post,
but truthfully operatiosports represents a small % of sports gamers.
2k surely takes notes, however Im they do extensive surveys before implementing any key strategic changes.
In addition the key changes to game-play this year was probably years in the making.

In truth most folks who play games are casual gamers. also, most folks who claim they want a true sim in sports titles, actually dont even understand the intricacies of said sport.

like you said, thats why there are alot of complaints about the game. its true when you say that most folks just want to pick up and thrash an opponent.

2k did everyone a favor by offering the different modes- sim, casual, and custom.

I absolutely love the sim aspect this year. Ive always played on pro-level, but this year, is the only year where I havent tweeked alot of sliders. I havent spent countless of hours looking for the proper slider set that fits my taste, from the various slider posts.

IMO, 2k's sim mode for the most part represents what my (as well many others) version of sim basketball should be like. and this isnt by accident. Im sure they spent months if not years gathering data on what a hard core sports gaming consumer considers sim.

[Pared]

Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

Yep, great post man.

Some real spoilt kids around here. The type that would complain that their iPhone4 isnt "fast enough" whilst a kid dies in africa because he cant drink anything but germ-water.

While I understand your point, your example is just a bit extreme. Let's try and keep it in the context of the game and gaming in general.

[TeeDogg]

Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

But make NO mistake. OS is a major reason 2K11 is the GOAT........IMO

[threes_co]

Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

But make NO mistake. OS is a major reason 2K11 is the GOAT........IMO

Good point.

I like the dev to consumer interaction on this site.

[ronaldo9]

Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

I love this post because I was wavering on whether or not to get this game, then saw people were complaining that it was "too sim," which was a great pro for me to get it

[sportyguyfl31]

Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

agree 100%

I play on pro difficulty, and Im happy there. I cant go any higher.

Im 100% okay with that.

Im really not very good at the game as of right now.

I havent come close to winning any of my online league games.

But Im not going to quit, I have no problem getting hammered while I learn and improve..and I know I will.

The gaming public is a microcosm of society, just like any other sub-culture.

People want things handed to them.

The satisfaction of overcoming a challenge and succeeding is vanishing.

[dipset2050]

Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

But make NO mistake. OS is a major reason 2K11 is the GOAT........IMO

Very true - but OS is ALSO a co-conspirator in the 2K8 patch. And i idly sat down and watched the massacre happen to the core game and one patch changed my opinion on "patches" for ever.

My post was simply to "hopefully" encourage those that lurk as I do (I'm working on posting just enough to get that "Rookie" tag off of me) to speak up. As Pared said, I spent waaaay more time playing this Godsend of a game than joining in on "Are the scores too low" or "I can't shake anybody" threads.

I swear that the more I watch this season's NBA games, the more they resemble HOF (or Superstar for Assoc)/Sim/12 min quarters - which is how I prefer to play.

I hope Simballer catches this thread and will at least see that maybe the game is fine as it is.....(sans the obvious bug fixes like My Player and Association - for the millionth time)

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

great point sportsguy....my sig pretty much sums it up...

[luckeeloo]

Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

At the the risk of disagreeing (respectfully) with the OP and almost every post in reply, this type of thinking is detrimental to the game's evolution.

9.5 reviews from IGN are 100% meaningless when compared to how someone who paid $60 for the game feels about it after 50+ hours of play. We also don't fully know the relationships between game companies and the magazines who review their products, but let's not be so naive to think that there is total objectivity in a review. Money is money, after all.

Bottom line is, 2K has to keep up with what we want. 2K sifts through our criticisms and proceeds to fix/destroy aspects of the game based on what is feasible and what would please the most people within their target market. Your problem should really be with what gets fixed/broken and how, and certainly not with the fact that consumers complain. Many concerns are valid. Absolutely there are bugs in 2K11 and gameplay could be better.

Bear in mind, they were working on this game all the way up to release date. They continue to work on it for the coming patch, which was an inevitability. Games on an annual release cycle do not go unpatched. Changes are always incoming. In its beta stage, you might jump in and say, "Stop, it's perfect now." They can't listen to you and push potential at the same time. The project is ongoing and the game is evolving until they can't afford to commit to it anymore. At that point they start working on next year's $60 and we start our complaints threads all over again.

The fact that they listen is the ONLY reason they have as much consumer confidence as they do, because you have to admit, they have made some awful games in the past. Without our confidence, they'd be ghosts. Anyway, in the end, producers and consumers are all working toward the same goal. You make something I want, and I give you money. Forget that for one second and you get nothing for your investment. So far, so good, but let's never ignore the flaws. It hurts everyone.

[Pared]

Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

At the the risk of disagreeing (respectfully) with the OP and almost every post in reply, this type of thinking is detrimental to the game's evolution.

9.5 reviews from IGN are 100% meaningless when compared to how someone who paid $60 for the game feels about it after 50+ hours of play. We also don't fully know the relationships between game companies and the magazines who review their products, but let's not be so naive to think that there is total objectivity in a review. Money is money, after all.

Bottom line is, 2K has to keep up with what we want. 2K sifts through our criticisms and proceeds to fix/destroy aspects of the game based on what is feasible and what would please the most people within their target market. Your problem should really be with what gets fixed/broken and how, and certainly not with the fact that consumers complain. Many concerns are valid. Absolutely there are bugs in 2K11 and gameplay could be better.

Bear in mind, they were working on this game all the way up to release date. They continue to work on it for the coming patch, which was an inevitability. Games on an annual release cycle do not go unpatched. Changes are always incoming. In its beta stage, you might jump in and say, "Stop, it's perfect now." They can't listen to you and push potential at the same time. The project is ongoing and the game is evolving until they can't afford to commit to it anymore. At that point they start working on next year's $60 and we start our complaints threads all over again.

The fact that they listen is the ONLY reason they have as much consumer confidence as they do, because you have to admit, they have made some awful games in the past. Without our confidence, they'd be ghosts. Anyway, in the end, producers and consumers are all working toward the same goal. You make something I want, and I give you money. Forget that for one second and you get nothing for your investment. So far, so good, but let's never ignore the flaws. It hurts everyone.

This type of post is the epitome of what those who are joining in on this thread do NOT agree with.

It's also why there is a stark division between those that can enjoy a game that has progressed TREMENDOUSLY can disagree with those that still feel the need to dissect every facet of this game.

If we as a community, can never be satiated and are always looking for flaws, corrections, etc. in a product that will never, EVER fully replicate real life, then we will be lost in an on-going cycle that simply repeats to the benefit of no one.

2k knows at the same time that while we're a small fraction of whom buys the game, others here can't seem to comprehend that. So when 5 guys continue to agree with each other about bumping and canimations while the general consensus of the game is enjoying it for what is is, I'm sure they will weigh the feedback that they see.

My hope, and I feel I'm on the right track here, is that they won't weigh the opinions of the very minor few with those that seemingly enjoy the game. It's part of the reason many who have been very vocal about the game in the past (respectfully) no longer have the same gripes of yester-year.

[TeeDogg]

Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

Very true - but OS is ALSO a co-conspirator in the 2K8 patch. And i idly sat down and watched the massacre happen to the core game and one patch changed my opinion on "patches" for ever.

My post was simply to "hopefully" encourage those that lurk as I do (I'm working on posting just enough to get that "Rookie" tag off of me) to speak up. As Pared said, I spent waaaay more time playing this Godsend of a game than joining in on "Are the scores too low" or "I can't shake anybody" threads.

I swear that the more I watch this season's NBA games, the more they resemble HOF (or Superstar for Assoc)/Sim/12 min quarters - which is how I prefer to play.

I hope Simballer catches this thread and will at least see that maybe the game is fine as it is.....(sans the obvious bug fixes like My Player and Association - for the millionth time)

I co-sign your post. I havent posted much at all the last few years, but i have been posting like crazy latley to let 2K/VC know we are loving this games despite alot of the cries. (i think we finaly put the "too many steals panic" to rest lol. like Pared said alot of the vets arent posting, and knowing how 2K uses these forums for feed back im afraid they may ruin this game with the patch. But again, the heart of this Forum has contriuted greatly to this game. its just that the board is more ummmm diluted now.

[luckeeloo]

Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

This type of post is the epitome of what those who are joining in on this thread do NOT agree with.

It's also why there is a stark division between those that can enjoy a game that has progressed TREMENDOUSLY can disagree with those that still feel the need to dissect every facet of this game.

If we as a community, can never be satiated and are always looking for flaws, corrections, etc. in a product that will never, EVER fully replicate real life, then we will be lost in an on-going cycle that simply repeats to the benefit of no one.

2k knows at the same time that while we're a small fraction of whom buys the game, others here can't seem to comprehend that. So when 5 guys continue to agree with each other about bumping and canimations while the general consensus of the game is enjoying it for what is is, I'm sure they will weigh the feedback that they see.

My hope, and I feel I'm on the right track here, is that they won't weigh the opinions of the very minor few with those that seemingly enjoy the game. It's part of the reason many who have been very vocal about the game in the past (respectfully) no longer have the same gripes of yester-year.

You're totally right, and 2K is right there with you. They won't let a few people drown out the majority. It's not happening now and it never will.

A little off-topic, but the bumping and canimations thread that the 2K dev did post in was just an example of what I'm talking about. OS posters don't dictate the outcomes, we just state our case, as is our right to. If OS were all zombies, it'd just be a lot of people saying, "Perfect game. Bump." People calling out bugs and flaws are not simply baddies and/or whiners. Just people who paid for the game and said, "Perfect game...except for this. Bump."

Tell me that the blocking/charging fouls don't need a tweak and I'll leave the thread and the forums all together. And that's not 5 guys agreeing with each other. Anyone who didn't take 2K11 back to Gamestop yet is patiently waiting for them to patch things like that. What's wrong with letting them know that we notice the flaws?

The war is long over between 2K and EA in terms of basketball games. The last thing standing between 2K fans and a whole string of lazy games is the fact that OS and other communities are so vocal and that the developers appreciate it.

In related news, I'm off to vote.

[Pared]

Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

There's a huge difference between what you stated here and your previous post - complaining.

When you feel that justifies your case, you're wrong.

I can tell you that post was simply to appease people early on yet, people continued.

Either way, there are things that need to be addressed and they know that. What that list is and what you think it is doesn't always coincide, however.

Regardless, to state this sort of thinking is detrimental means you just missed the overall point of this thread.

[Brew]

Re: Has or will Operation Sports "ruin" NBA2K11?

I just recently joined OS a couple months ago and enjoy most feedback on this site... as it is the MOST indepth sports gaming site period. Because of the title of the thread it took a very slow day here at work for me to look at it.

The complaining is very annoying but I dont read into it too much as Im going to play the game the way I like. 2k11 is leaps and bounds better than 2K10. There is always going to be people out there that arent satisfied and feel the need to vent in the wrong way and when your not face to face with someone that is easy for them to do on a forum or over Xbox Live/PSN. I used to be on IGN alot and got tired of it because it was littered with little children who thrived on bashing others and complaining. OS has its complainers, but it is far from as bad as other sites. I like that I can come on here and be constructive and most respond positively when I throw a rare post out there!

2k11 is a different animal than years passed. Czar put it best: Stop playing video games and start playing basketball! Ive been competitive with my buddies over the years of 2k but this year Ive been dominating because they havent gotten out of their 2k10 habits. Long passes, lead passing into a crowded lane, spamming one player etc. You cant get away with that on 2K11.

Bottomline, Im too old to have an ego with a video game and Im going to play it for fun. Ive been playing My Player almost exclusively and that is only on Pro/Default. I dont care I just want to have fun! Though I do play against friends on HOF/Sim(fatigue off). I dont think fatigue should affect you as much as it does on a 5min qtr game hence taking it off.

Overall, great post and I am very surprised by the overall response.
Very refreshing!