The Game Is Not Broken, You Are.

[blklightning]

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every game can benefit from some additional tweaking. so in any patch, that's all i want to see is fine tuning. if they dumb this game down because people are being babies about certain things, then that would be a shame.

[JerzeyReign]

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I agree with the OP 100%... I honestly feel like I turn the ball over a ton but when I look back at the stats its only like 10-12 turnovers and that's on 12 min quarters. I think some are just not as good as they think or have a low basketball IQ. Value the possession. If the computer is in deny ball mode why would you try to force the ball? I had to learn the hard way and eventually was only turning the ball over 4-6 times a game and right now searching for a way for my turnovers to INCREASE!

Trades... ehhh.... I have to let them play out to honestly have a feel if they were smart or not. I like most of the trades the CPU is doing because you can kind of get an idea of what their doing. Right now I'm doing everything in my power to get 'Melo to come to Philly... ish ain't happening right now... I think I've tried most trade scenarios... may have to look for a third team

[HMcCoy]

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the problem with the passing is, yes, if you use lead passing, pass very carefully, intelligently, sure, you can siginficantly cut down the amount of turnovers and stolen passes. I know it works for me. but when you do this, you will only be able to play a slow-pace offense. you ca't play an up tempo, fast-break style offense because this game discourages any sort of passing in traffic and you will get your passes stolen. if any of you use a high octane, fast break based offense like the suns or warriors and you can run and gun with little turnover i would love to hear your tips.

Co-sign. Transition defenders can stop their momentum and snatch passes out of the air pretty easily. CPU can't break either.

[ace1sa]

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I agree with the OP 100%... I honestly feel like I turn the ball over a ton but when I look back at the stats its only like 10-12 turnovers and that's on 12 min quarters. I think some are just not as good as they think or have a low basketball IQ. Value the possession. If the computer is in deny ball mode why would you try to force the ball? I had to learn the hard way and eventually was only turning the ball over 4-6 times a game and right now searching for a way for my turnovers to INCREASE!

Trades... ehhh.... I have to let them play out to honestly have a feel if they were smart or not. I like most of the trades the CPU is doing because you can kind of get an idea of what their doing. Right now I'm doing everything in my power to get 'Melo to come to Philly... ish ain't happening right now... I think I've tried most trade scenarios... may have to look for a third team

agree with this 100% now that im playing smarter i lowered my pass accuracy but i hate when the turnovers happen on simple imbounds lol. Also i have no problem playing up tempo you talk like pressing one more button before you pass takes so much time lol. i treat it almost like thats the pass button instead of the face button.

[RetriSearain]

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people acting all tough and mighty for being "skillful" at a game that for the most part plays itself it's so automated/assisted crack me up.

[ace1sa]

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people acting all tough and mighty for being "skillful" at a game that for the most part plays itself it's so automated and assisted crack me up.

how is it in ANY way automated and assisted, and if someone is still better at an automated assisted game they are still more skillful. NOW that cracks me up with a stupid comment like that.

[JerzeyReign]

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Its not about acting tough or mighty but if we're all playing the same game and it is assisted, it takes some type of elevated skills to have something work that others cannot.

My 4-6 turnovers are from the things y'all complain about. I've learned how to limit those mistakes by playing basketball and not a video game (yup, I said that in my Czar voice). It was just like the fast break discussion a couple weeks ago, folks were demanding it be fixed because its broken. After a week with it more I'm out on the break alot more than I actually want to and I find myself pulling some transitions back out instead trying to force the issue.

I've read this somewhere, probably posted on OS, where someone posted the difference between gamers of today and gamers of yesteryear. My generation (I'm 25, grew up in the 90s) was happy to beat the boss at the end of the stage no matter how hard or how much the game "cheated". Today's gamer just screams something is broken and demands a patch. Their is no Konami code in real life, adapt and overcome

[ace1sa]

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Its not about acting tough or mighty but if we're all playing the same game and it is assisted, it takes some type of elevated skills to have something work that others cannot.

My 4-6 turnovers are from the things y'all complain about. I've learned how to limit those mistakes by playing basketball and not a video game (yup, I said that in my Czar voice). It was just like the fast break discussion a couple weeks ago, folks were demanding it be fixed because its broken. After a week with it more I'm out on the break alot more than I actually want to and I find myself pulling some transitions back out instead trying to force the issue.

I've read this somewhere, probably posted on OS, where someone posted the difference between gamers of today and gamers of yesteryear. My generation (I'm 25, grew up in the 90s) was happy to beat the boss at the end of the stage no matter how hard or how much the game "cheated". Today's gamer just screams something is broken and demands a patch. Their is no Konami code in real life, adapt and overcome

haha i love this post. i only just turned 20 i dont know if that puts me in your generation or not but i agree haha. Ive never thought a game was cheesy or cheating. I put the blame on myself if i lose haha.

[NDAlum]

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There are....passing effectively is required, but in the end the CPU still does some god-like things which it shouldnt. Other than that, i dont have much to gripe about with 2K11 honestly.

Gotta agree with this. You are responsible for bad passes, for the majority. Some are just stupid though. On a 3 on 2 break and the defender blindly throws his arm up to deflect the ball right to himself...not a fan of that.

No other gripes from me

[dkrause1971]

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haha i love this post. i only just turned 20 i dont know if that puts me in your generation or not but i agree haha. Ive never thought a game was cheesy or cheating. I put the blame on myself if i lose haha.

Your in his generation. Generations are generally considered 20 year blocks. Even under looser definitions, at least a 10 year block is the minimum. While its true the older generations are considered more forgiving to technology issues, probably because they recall times when you didn't even have patches for video games for example. Its not true for every individual of course.

Either way, under any definition i have ever seen in sociology courses or just general reading you two are the same generation which is often called generation Y.

[ace1sa]

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Your in his generation. Generations are generally considered 20 year blocks. Even under looser definitions, at least a 10 year block is the minimum. While its true the older generations are considered more forgiving to technology issues, probably because they recall times when you didn't even have patches for video games for example. Its not true for every individual of course.

Either way, under any definition i have ever seen in sociology courses or just general reading you two are the same generation which is often called generation Y.

wow thanks man thats pretty insightful stuff lol. so say under 20 their the next gen basically? like my child due in 2 weeks is same generation as my 12 year old cousin

[dkrause1971]

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wow thanks man thats pretty insightful stuff lol. so say under 20 their the next gen basically? like my child due in 2 weeks is same generation as my 12 year old cousin

It doesn't work exactly like that. Generation Y is people born between 1980-2000 not what age you are at the time. So a person born in 1999 and a person born in 2001 can be classified as different generations but might act more similar then people born further apart in the same generation. The idea is more the mindset of people born during a generation tend to be similar.

I am from Generation X. People of my generation generally have a different mindset then people from your generation. Doesn't mean everyone does, just in general. That is more what they are shooting for than anything being 100% in stone. Before my generation was the baby boomers, then the greatest/silent generation. Just type any of those in google and you can find the "differences" between the generations.

[Eddie1967]

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I disagree with the OP, passes shouldn't be this hard, granted you should make smart decisions but the CPU should at least be facing the ball when they steal it. NBA2K11 is a good game but I wish people would stop trying to act like it's a 10 and doesn't have flaws.

[erickonasis]

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I dont want to make this a marathon read so i'll be as direct as possible. There are specifically 2 complaints I keep seeing on these boards that i'd like to address and prove that people are overreacting.

Passing - To all the complainers: VALUE POSSESSION OF THE BALL. The fact that you're passing the ball around without discretion, which leads to turnovers, is not a patch-worthy glitch. Value the ball. Make smart passes. Dont force passes into lanes that arent open. Think like a basketball player. If that doesnt work, make the CPU Play Passing Lanes slider 0 and call it a day.

Association Trades: My biggest problem with Associations in past 2Ks has been this: TOO MANY TRADES. For instance, last year in my Association Jameer Nelson was traded 5 times in the first season. The last team he got traded to? You guessed it: The Magic! So he pretty much toured the NBA to end up right back where he started. Trades had no rhyme. No reason. Just trades for the sake of trades...
Well enter NBA2K11. Now trades arent made senselessly. They have rhyme. Even if isn't immediately obvious, they have reason. If a team is content with the talent and mix that they have, they stand pat. This is what any good GM would do. The Lakers have just won 2 straight NBA titles and they havent made a trade in over 2 years (Gasol). No more senseless trades in Association. But if you read the boards here you'll see that most people want a trade quota. They need "10-15 trades a year". And i say, i'd rather no trades than 15 trades that make zero sense. Less is more.

Let me end this by again thanking 2K for making the greatest basketball game Ive ever played and pleading for them to not overreact to the unjustified complaints from some of the people on these boards. There is a large demographic that understand and appreciate the steps 2K has made to make this game more realistic. Sometimes certain gamers need to step back and realize the game is not broken, but they might be.

GREATEST POST EVER...Thank you for having the courage to post this

[eko718]

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LOL no the passing is not broken i get only like 5-10 turnovers a game on superstar/sim if your post player is being fronted = no pass. Dont just swing the ball around, i run plays and lead pass almost every time and i dont have this problem anymore i even have cpu defensive awareness at 100.

I agree. I play superstar/sim and have very realistic turnover numbers playing 12 minute games. My TO's range from 7-15 depending how focused or careless I am playing. I think one reason for some TO's is players not positioning themselves for a pass correctly or coming to the ball, especially when/if your dribble is picked up. Other than that, it seems passes that would get picked in reality, do get picked. Most steals in the NBA happen in the passing lanes, not on the ball.