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  • jeebs9
    Fear is the Unknown
    • Oct 2008
    • 47568

    #16
    Re: Tips counting as rebounds?

    Originally posted by VANDusen 04
    I can say with relative certainty (though not absolute) that the rebound where LeBron does the same thing as Ben (grabs/directs it to a teammate) occurs at the 10:10 mark of the video below. In this case, the rebound was indeed credited to LeBron. At the time that was LeBron's 10th rebound. Eventually, the rebound before that one (shown in the 2nd clip) was taken away.

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    LeBron's Rebound That Was Retained (10:10 mark)

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    LeBron's Rebound That Was Later Taken Away

    Article mentioning the rebounds in question, including the one that remained credited to James: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3889674
    There is another article out there. I just can't remember where I saw it. But basically talks about another rebound situation in this game where Wallace I think is credit with the rebound.....

    Oh wait a minute now its hitting me. Now I remember!... It wasn't that someone else was credit with the rebound. It was that LeBron went up for the rebound. Grab it. Came down on 2 feet. But David Lee came over and poked it out of bounds. Even though LeBron James clearly has the rebound. But it is poked out of his hand way after the fact that he established possession of the ball. I don't know if there is any youtube video on this. But I have the full game on my PS3. I've seen a few times now.

    But the above has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Sorry....lol
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    • airjoca
      Pro
      • Sep 2006
      • 643

      #17
      Re: Tips counting as rebounds?

      Originally posted by Captain_Crazzzy
      in My Player I play as a rebounding center who has a ton of tips, never once had one count as a rebound.

      unless I tipped it to myself
      I bet you're on PS3.

      Today I discovered that on the PC, every time I tip a rebound on the offensive end, it counts as a Rebound. However, on the PS3, that never happened to me.

      Further proof that the PS3 version is an older build maybe. (Sock glitch, high layups, and now this).

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      • Boge
        MVP
        • Oct 2003
        • 1689

        #18
        Re: Tips counting as rebounds?

        Key words here I believe are "Intentional" and/or "controlled". And that's completely up to the stat keepers to decide. A tip out on a rebound should be counted as a rebound for the tipper if he intentionally controlled the tip out to where he wanted it to go. If he's just slapping the ball, trying to keep it alive, there shouldn't be any rebound until control is established. It's a judgement call, and of course, they get it wrong sometimes.

        I'm just wanting to know for sure what the rule is on steals because a lot of people think the person that gains control of the ball gets the steal where I think it's the person that initiates the turnover. If it is the way I think, then basketball games have never gotten it right.

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        • jeebs9
          Fear is the Unknown
          • Oct 2008
          • 47568

          #19
          Re: Tips counting as rebounds?

          Originally posted by Boge
          Key words here I believe are "Intentional" and/or "controlled". And that's completely up to the stat keepers to decide. A tip out on a rebound should be counted as a rebound for the tipper if he intentionally controlled the tip out to where he wanted it to go. If he's just slapping the ball, trying to keep it alive, there shouldn't be any rebound until control is established. It's a judgement call, and of course, they get it wrong sometimes.

          I'm just wanting to know for sure what the rule is on steals because a lot of people think the person that gains control of the ball gets the steal where I think it's the person that initiates the turnover. If it is the way I think, then basketball games have never gotten it right.
          Boge...Not against you...this is just a question. You ever tried to program something. Right now during a loose ball. We don't have control of tipping a ball where we want it to go. When it is loose. Basically the programmer would have to come up with a set of rules of what is a loose ball. If the loose ball was caused by the defense. Who created the loose ball. And then if the defense forces a loose ball. And they recover the ball. The steal would go to the player who caused the loose ball. That is a lot of code lol. And we are talking about steals here. I can't imagine for a rebound. Right now the rules seem pretty simple if the offense loses the ball and the defense picks it up. Reward one steal to the person who picked it up.

          Hopefully someone works on it this year. In regards to steals.
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          • Boge
            MVP
            • Oct 2003
            • 1689

            #20
            Re: Tips counting as rebounds?

            Steals don't work the same as rebound. A rebound has to be an intentional tipout or tip to another player. A steal just has to be an initiated deflection resulting in a turnover.

            Just another bit of evidence. Watching the Jazz and Heat right now...at about 2:30 in the 4th, Dwayne Wade deflects a pass and Lebron James recovers it. Checking the play-by-play on NBA.com, here is what we have...

            Miles Turnover : Bad Pass (2 TO) Steal:Wade (1 ST)

            So Wade was credited for the steal as he should have been.


            By the way, no, I don't program, but if you play the My Player mode, the programming is already there. The game recognizes when you deflected a pass and a steal happens. You'll get the PLUS for the pass deflection leading to a steal or something along those lines. So I know it could be programmed easily enough. I think it's a matter of understanding the rule, which it's obvious nobody here seems to know.

            Now the problem I can see happening if they actually programmed it right would be when the ball just hits someone in the back of the head or something and another player grabs the steal. The player that got hit in the head would probably get credit for the steal in the game, where in real life, since the deflection wasn't initiated, the recoverer of the ball would have gotten the steal.
            Last edited by Boge; 11-09-2010, 09:55 PM.

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            • jeebs9
              Fear is the Unknown
              • Oct 2008
              • 47568

              #21
              Re: Tips counting as rebounds?

              Yes...you see what I mean.

              I don't think 2k doesn't know what the rule is. They have way too many details down to the tee. That they let this slide right on by. Know what I mean... And its such a small unknown detail it doesn't hurt them one bit. I put this next to 20 second timeout only one sub situation.
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              • VDusen04
                Hall Of Fame
                • Aug 2003
                • 13028

                #22
                Re: Tips counting as rebounds?

                Originally posted by jeebs9
                Yes...you see what I mean.

                I don't think 2k doesn't know what the rule is. They have way too many details down to the tee. That they let this slide right on by. Know what I mean... And its such a small unknown detail it doesn't hurt them one bit. I put this next to 20 second timeout only one sub situation.
                Oh good call on the 20-second timeout/one sub thing. Every year I kind of assume it's going to be implemented into the game but it never is. It always works to my advantage because I like making substitutions en masse. However, a true implementation would enforce a little more strategy, which is always fun.

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                • jeebs9
                  Fear is the Unknown
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 47568

                  #23
                  Re: Tips counting as rebounds?

                  Originally posted by VDusen04
                  Oh good call on the 20-second timeout/one sub thing. Every year I kind of assume it's going to be implemented into the game but it never is. It always works to my advantage because I like making substitutions en masse. However, a true implementation would enforce a little more strategy, which is always fun.
                  That's what my problem when someone brought it up the other day.
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                  • Tha_BlacKnight
                    Rookie
                    • Jul 2010
                    • 240

                    #24
                    Re: Tips counting as rebounds?

                    Originally posted by BATMON
                    Rodman would tip it twice to himself to collect 3 rebounds.
                    Don't forget about him tipping it towards the basket almost missing it on purpose to collect boards. Almost like he was doing the Miken Drill but he was missing it haha Gotta love the Worm lol
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                    • Sajiky
                      Rookie
                      • Oct 2013
                      • 96

                      #25
                      Re: Tips counting as rebounds?

                      Originally posted by Tha_BlacKnight
                      Gotta love the Worm lol
                      No I don't gotta. I happened to love him, but I could easily see the other point of view on that one.

                      Scoring is very subjective in the NBA. John Stockton used to get VERY favorable home scoring on assists, and steals both. Which he didn't need at all.

                      You could take away a thousand that's 1000 assists and five hundred that's 500 steals and he would still be the all time leader in both categories by a WIDE margin.

                      People forget how great he was. His greatness was only really eclipsed by how hard it was to like the man.

                      Kinda got a touch off topic. Meh.

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