Is this considered a cheese tactic?

[jeebs9]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

Again I'm not calling what the OP did a cheese. If that what he did that so be it. If thats what he thinks works. Then so be it. But I'll tell you one thing. I might play you once...twice...But you won't get many games out of me win or lose. I have friends on my list that don't play on-ball. I don't hate them or erase them. I just don't play them as much as I would someone who played on-ball. When I play random matches in the lobby. I know what I'm getting into. I expect all of the worst tactics known in 2k's series.

[NEOPARADIGM]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

I think making proper rotations and providing appropriate help D without switching is every bit as challenging, and requires every bit as much b-ball knowledge and intuition, as always playing the ball. Heck, more.

The argument goes, if you play off-ball, you're just letting the AI play defense for you. Well, if you're just hopping from defender to defender, how is that any different? For instance, if the guy you're controlling gets blown by, and you switch to a help defender, aren't you letting the AI bail you out of your mistake, instead of staying with the same defender and attempting to recover yourself?

I look at switching-off as a sort of defeat in that context.

That said, just controlling the C all game is something different than what I'm talking about. My tendency is to always control the guy who scored (or took the shot) when getting back on D, so I'm always controlling someone different, but I don't switch while on D.

[lilbiggio]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

Honestly I think both of you were cheesing each other in different ways.

He cheesed you by PIP and driving every play, and then on top of that quitting the game. In my book, a quit is the worst you can do because then you just wasting everyone's time.

But I will say that off ball D is considered a cheese tatic when used too much. When I notice people doing this, I just back the ball up and wait them out to see if perhaps they notice that they are just camping and not playing D.


Games like this are why I don't like playing online anymore. People saying you gotta do what you gotta do is not enjoyable for me.

Like Czar would say "Don't play videogames play basketball."

[coolcras7]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

No it is not cheese, especially when the person you are playing against is only trying to get to the hole, in some cases it is almost impossible to stay in front of a fast guard or Lebron. if I am playing against someone who is playing realistic I will play on ball if he is just trying to dunk I will play his off ball when he is control of that particular player.

[jeebs9]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

^^I like that ^^

I think making proper rotations and providing appropriate help D without switching is every bit as challenging, and requires every bit as much b-ball knowledge and intuition, as always playing the ball. Heck, more.

The argument goes, if you play off-ball, you're just letting the AI play defense for you. Well, if you're just hopping from defender to defender, how is that any different? For instance, if the guy you're controlling gets blown by, and you switch to a help defender, aren't you letting the AI bail you out of your mistake, instead of staying with the same defender and attempting to recover yourself?

I look at switching-off as a sort of defeat in that context.

That said, just controlling the C all game is something different than what I'm talking about. My tendency is to always control the guy who scored (or took the shot) when getting back on D, so I'm always controlling someone different, but I don't switch while on D.

Oh No...I see your point lol. It's basically taking my opinion and flipping it the other way around lol ... Saw that coming a mile away lol.. Been in these threads before.

Again like I said....If your a friend of mine and we play a lot. I'm expecting to face you a lot more than facing the CPU. I want when your team gets a block. It was you that got it. Yes underlining it was Dwight Howard that sent my shot into the cheap sits. But it was you controlling him that made it happen. Same goes for playing outside.

But guys...this is an opinion. Lets not look down on anyone just because they play a certain way. And not throw the "cheese" word around.

[Phins86]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

TO SUM IT UP:

It is not cheese to play off the ball with your center. Centers camp the lane the ENTIRE game in the NBA. So you may not be able to drive the lane, god forbid you have to run offense and take a mid range jumper... wouldn't want that! Instead of calling the guy a cheeser, ADJUST!!!!

Sub in a big man that can hit a mid range jumper. If the center is camping then the guy he's supposed to be guarding should be wide open right????

[rockchisler]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

since there is no defensive assist in the game..(It doesnt work) alot of players do this, is it cheese? no but the cpu defense has esp on defending the ball.

[Pitfighter87]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

No it's not a cheese if ur opponent was smart he would of run some pick n rolls which will make u play defense, so if you're helping on the PG during the pick n rolls the guy you're playing off ball D against will slip to the basket.... or if u choose not to help the PG will get a easy mid range jumper. Simple basketball........ Quitting 10 sec in a game lame.

^^ this ^^

[SpacialJones]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

I just wanna put my 2 cents in.... I think its cheese unless your playing 2-3 zone. I think its cheese because even though you playing the 5 spot does leave a man open depending on how you work it, you can cheat over everytime. That is annoying. (I also hate when people put their defensive assistance up, I dont wanna play against the computer when Im playing online). Ive always played people straight up, if you beat me, I press x and switch to the man closest to you and try to make you do something you don't wanna do. If you score, you score, it happens and I'll try to change up how Im playing you. I hate when guys online do that. I feel like its lazy. Especially if your a basketball head, if Im using Darren Collison and your using Derrick Rose I'm gonna change up my offensive attack or just keep trying to keep you in front of me. You gotta learn to play straight up and lock up. If someone is beating you in an area thats a weakness change up approach to the person you playing and rework your gameplan. Just my humble opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

[lilbiggio]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

I just wanna put my 2 cents in.... I think its cheese unless your playing 2-3 zone. I think its cheese because even though you playing the 5 spot does leave a man open depending on how you work it, you can cheat over everytime. That is annoying. (I also hate when people put their defensive assistance up, I dont wanna play against the computer when Im playing online). Ive always played people straight up, if you beat me, I press x and switch to the man closest to you and try to make you do something you don't wanna do. If you score, you score, it happens and I'll try to change up how Im playing you. I hate when guys online do that. I feel like its lazy. Especially if your a basketball head, if Im using Darren Collison and your using Derrick Rose I'm gonna change up my offensive attack or just keep trying to keep you in front of me. You gotta learn to play straight up and lock up. If someone is beating you in an area thats a weakness change up approach to the person you playing and rework your gameplan. Just my humble opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

I agree with this... with good timing you can effectively lock down the speedy pg by predicting their movements just like IRL.


As for this issue See it wouldn't bother me if a guy just chose to use their center to prevent points at the rim in a zone. That's strategy.

To me it becomes cheese when that same center starts becoming Troy Polamalu out there playing Free Safety in the paint all of a sudden. Now he's not just blocking shots, guys start using the Center to roam a free zone all over the middle of the paint. Because it's effective. While staying in Man 2 Man defense with everyone else. That's why I said it depends.. I can see the strategy in it, and I have seen first hand the abuse of it.

To me this is no different than people running full court press all game. It's just another branch on the tree of how people play the game to their strategy. The wrong guy will make anything unplayable and cheese. And in this instance I still think both of you cheese'd each other in a way so it should be a mutual feeling of ugh. No one is right, and neither are wrong .

[threes_co]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

How did he know you were playing off-ball D?

Anyway, it's not cheesy at all IMO, especially online w/ the lag. Defense is defense.

[Boge]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

That's why they need player-lock online games. No cheesing this way. You are what position you play, no switching!

[BOSsTOwN]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

It's not cheap to play off ball d

[TeddyKGB]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

I usually just lurk around the boards, but I had to chime in on this debate.

I almost always play off-ball defense - usually with my C of PF - for a reason not yet mentioned: AI bigs simply refuse to box out. I find that if I guard these positions - either fronting the post or trying to push them away from the hoop - I'm at least in a good position to put a body on the offensive rebounders when a shot goes up. If left to the AI I usually end up getting roasted on the offensive board.

IMO this is not cheese.

[Phins86]

Re: Is this considered a cheese tactic?

I agree with this... with good timing you can effectively lock down the speedy pg by predicting their movements just like IRL.

This is true you CAN lock them down but when the guy isn't even running offense and all he's doing is attempting a million crossovers with D Rose, I don't care how good you are you WON'T be able to stay in front of him.

I feel like if the guy your playing isn't even attempting to run offense and all they're doing is free styling with their PG, then it's definitely NOT cheese to roam the paint with your center.