NBA 2K11 Scripted ?

[PSUlions15]

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LOL @ people who wont drop this thread, because if u dont like how the game is dont play

[Gosens6]

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Exactly.

Just this week the Heat lost a huge lead to Magic at home and I guess that was scripted as well huh?

You're completely missing the point, Altimus. While I don't agree the game is "scripted", I do agree that on All Star difficulty or above, on Sim settings, no slider tweaks, the same magical run happens by the CPU almost every single game in the 3rd quarter.

I know the Magic came back against the Heat, everyone knows it happened, everyone knows comebacks happen. The point we're trying to make is it shouldn't happen as much as it does in 2K and in the exact same fashion every time.

The only point some of us are trying to make.

[PSUlions15]

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You're completely missing the point, Altimus. While I don't agree the game is "scripted", I do agree that on All Star difficulty or above, on Sim settings, no slider tweaks, the same magical run happens by the CPU almost every single game in the 3rd quarter.

I know the Magic came back against the Heat, everyone knows it happened, everyone knows comebacks happen. The point we're trying to make is it shouldn't happen as much as it does in 2K and in the exact same fashion every time.

The only point some of us are trying to make.

Well, isn't increasing the level of the game supposed to make it tougher, so if you want les superhuman play by the cpu, wouldn't you just turn the difficulty down.

[Gosens6]

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Well, isn't increasing the level of the game supposed to make it tougher, so if you want les superhuman play by the cpu, wouldn't you just turn the difficulty down.

In normal circumstances yes; But what i'm trying to say here is, I don't play on the Superstar or Hall Of Fame difficulty, I play on the one level that gives me a challenge without being too easy.

Once you drop to Pro, you can win every single game. On All-Star, I win some and I lose some, but no matter what in almost every game, the CPU dominates in the exact same fashion in the 3rd quarter. I don't know how most people don't notice it, it's so very very blatant.

[PSUlions15]

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In normal circumstances yes; But what i'm trying to say here is, I don't play on the Superstar or Hall Of Fame difficulty, I play on the one level that gives me a challenge without being too easy.

Once you drop to Pro, you can win every single game. On All-Star, I win some and I lose some, but no matter what in almost every game, the CPU dominates in the exact same fashion in the 3rd quarter. I don't know how most people don't notice it, it's so very very blatant.

I don't notice it because I enjoy playing the game and it doesnt affect me, OS, lately has been mostly people complaiining about this game and other games, if you think this is a problem go to the nba 2k12 wishlist thread and say "Less scripted game play in the second half." I don't get this, if u lose cause of a run u lose of a run, just play the next game, and if keeps happening change the sliders and diff. IMO and meaning no disrespect to anybody

[Gosens6]

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I don't notice it because I enjoy playing the game and it doesnt affect me, OS, lately has been mostly people complaiining about this game and other games, if you think this is a problem go to the nba 2k12 wishlist thread and say "Less scripted game play in the second half." I don't get this, if u lose cause of a run u lose of a run, just play the next game, and if keeps happening change the sliders and diff. IMO and meaning no disrespect to anybody

That's the thing. I'm not upset that I lose sometimes because of a run, I actually love to lose in a video game. The only thing i'm trying to say is when the run happens all the time, in the same place during the game, and in the same fashion, it gets a bit tedious and takes out some of the fun factor for me.

I'm not one to complain about a game, usually ever. This just bothers me, and some other people I suppose. I never like to tell anyone to not have fun with a game, because I have fun with this one myself, this is really the only thing that bothers me, and just discussing my opinions.

No disrespect taken either, I understand all of your points.

[PSUlions15]

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That's the thing. I'm not upset that I lose sometimes because of a run, I actually love to lose in a video game. The only thing i'm trying to say is when the run happens all the time, in the same place during the game, and in the same fashion, it gets a bit tedious and takes out some of the fun factor for me.

I'm not one to complain about a game, usually ever. This just bothers me, and some other people I suppose. I never like to tell anyone to not have fun with a game, because I have fun with this one myself, this is really the only thing that bothers me, and just discussing my opinions.

No disrespect taken either, I understand all of your points.

Yea I understand you, but I wasn't refering to you, I've noticed people complaining about it more often. And I bet at least half of the people that complained of scripted play had just lost a game by a run, or a number of loses, in my first season as my Sixers I lost 8 straight close games 5 by runs, and that didnt stop me from playing I ended up the Third seed and won the NBA Finals in 6 games on HOF Diff. SO it makes me mad to see people complaining about scripted play and runs.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Just wondering here. When you come out of halftime and go on a 12-0 run to start the 2nd half, do you say "Man, I wish this game wasn't scripted so the game would still be close" or do you say "Oh yeah, I'm feeling it right now. Maybe I can finally pull away." Personally, I've had games where the CPU makes a run to start the 3rd quarter, and then I call a timeout and regroup and hang onto my lead. I've also had games where I've come out of the 2nd half on fire and used it as a springboard to take a nice lead and hang on for the win. I've also had games where we've started the 2nd half going back and forth. The point is, every game is different. If you head into the 2nd half and the AI knocks down a tough shot and you start thinking "Oh man, here we go again...", then you probably don't have the right mindset. Call a timeout if you have to, use the pick and roll, get a nice shot from the post, or run a play to get one of your shooters an open look to get back on track.

I've literally never had a quarter where the AI shot 70+% like one of the guys in here was saying, and I've also never had a quarter where I shot 30 or less % like he said. Players knock down tough shots sometimes, but if you can just get a good look for a layup, or get to the free throw line, you can usually get back on track.

[Comduklakis]

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Exactly.

Just this week the Heat lost a huge lead to Magic at home and I guess that was scripted as well huh?

We can all cite a specific example of a team losing a large lead. It happens to most teams 3 or 4 times a year (or more as the Celtics had a big problem with letting teams back into games last season). However, I think the posters in this thread are saying that it's not just a few times a year but rather game after game after game. I don't want to speak for everyone, but for me unpredictability can make a game fun. Thus if at some point in the season I blow a 23 point lead and lose, fine. And maybe I make a monster comeback or two. And a few time we let a team back in but end up fighting them off. That's realistic. What isnt' realistic is the 2nd half episodes that occur almost every single game that involve impossible CPU shooting and abysmal human shooting. As I said in my above post, it can be a fine line for programmers in making the normal ebb and flow of an NBA game and having the "programmed" comeback factor that is being complained about.

However, that's a far cry from citing one comeback in one game as evidence that everyone posting about this issue is just crazy.

[bSmooth]

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Just wondering here. When you come out of halftime and go on a 12-0 run to start the 2nd half, do you say "Man, I wish this game wasn't scripted so the game would still be close" or do you say "Oh yeah, I'm feeling it right now. Maybe I can finally pull away." Personally, I've had games where the CPU makes a run to start the 3rd quarter, and then I call a timeout and regroup and hang onto my lead. I've also had games where I've come out of the 2nd half on fire and used it as a springboard to take a nice lead and hang on for the win. I've also had games where we've started the 2nd half going back and forth. The point is, every game is different. If you head into the 2nd half and the AI knocks down a tough shot and you start thinking "Oh man, here we go again...", then you probably don't have the right mindset. Call a timeout if you have to, use the pick and roll, get a nice shot from the post, or run a play to get one of your shooters an open look to get back on track.

I've literally never had a quarter where the AI shot 70+% like one of the guys in here was saying, and I've also never had a quarter where I shot 30 or less % like he said. Players knock down tough shots sometimes, but if you can just get a good look for a layup, or get to the free throw line, you can usually get back on track.

This post is well said, and exactly how I feel and virtually the same experiences I have. Never once have I had the CPU run off and I feel that I can't stop them, or slow them down, in one way or another.

And this 3rd quarter nonsense folks keep preaching and swearing by, I've never experienced this in over 2 full 82 game, 12 minute, Superstar or Hall of Fame seasons. I would think by now I would have seen this so-called 3rd quarter run multiple times over 160+ games. The thing is after half-time you should expect teams to change their style of play and focus, especially if they're down. Sometimes I go on runs, sometimes the other team goes on runs, some games we fight it out point for point. There is no noticeable pattern where I can say exactly what's going to happen in the next few minutes or quarter.

You have to change your game plan, your personal, your shot selection, etc... when runs start to happen, or your team starts slacking. If you don't then yes you will continue to shoot poorly and the other team will continue to score and pull away. That's just basketball.

For example, the other night I was playing a game against the Cavs, I was up for the most part, but Jackson was really having an off game shooting, hardly anything would fall. Instead of force feeding him the ball, I pulled him out and put Gerald Henderson in. Henderson comes in hot and puts up 12 or so points, a handful of rebounds, couple assists, and a steal over the next 15--19 minutes. So I spelled him with Jack instead of putting Jack back in to continue bricking shots. This is only one example of many I could list of these types of scenarios. Depending on how you handle these scenarios can greatly alter the outcome of the quarter, half, or game.

[TeddyKGB]

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I think all this talk of cheating AI is born out of the natural frustration of playing an AI opponent. The fact of the matter is, the game IS scripted, but not in the "the AI's out to get me" way that some people believe. The AI is executing pre-programmed routines, running through lines of code, cycling through IF-THEN-ELSE statements. It doesn't behave naturally, it doesn't adapt or react to game situations the same way a live player does. The AI adheres strictly to its programming and the result ends up feeling unnatural, or mechanical. Maybe one day, when artificial intelligence is a little less "artificial", we won't face these same complaints. Until then, I'll stick to playing human opponents.

[lv2bll]

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I think you are completely missing the point...the issues that arise in the game seem to be more when you are playing against the Lakers or Heat then if it is Bucks or Hornets...

this cant be farther from whats really going on

[Mos1ted]

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I think all this talk of cheating AI is born out of the natural frustration of playing an AI opponent. The fact of the matter is, the game IS scripted, but not in the "the AI's out to get me" way that some people believe. The AI is executing pre-programmed routines, running through lines of code, cycling through IF-THEN-ELSE statements. It doesn't behave naturally, it doesn't adapt or react to game situations the same way a live player does. The AI adheres strictly to its programming and the result ends up feeling unnatural, or mechanical. Maybe one day, when artificial intelligence is a little less "artificial", we won't face these same complaints. Until then, I'll stick to playing human opponents.

This is probably the best explanation to what I'm experiencing when I play this game. I guess I was holding the A.I. to a standard that technology hasn't yet reached. This does ruin the single player aspect of some games though.

[Mos1ted]

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This post is well said, and exactly how I feel and virtually the same experiences I have. Never once have I had the CPU run off and I feel that I can't stop them, or slow them down, in one way or another.

And this 3rd quarter nonsense folks keep preaching and swearing by, I've never experienced this in over 2 full 82 game, 12 minute, Superstar or Hall of Fame seasons. I would think by now I would have seen this so-called 3rd quarter run multiple times over 160+ games. The thing is after half-time you should expect teams to change their style of play and focus, especially if they're down. Sometimes I go on runs, sometimes the other team goes on runs, some games we fight it out point for point. There is no noticeable pattern where I can say exactly what's going to happen in the next few minutes or quarter.

You have to change your game plan, your personal, your shot selection, etc... when runs start to happen, or your team starts slacking. If you don't then yes you will continue to shoot poorly and the other team will continue to score and pull away. That's just basketball.

For example, the other night I was playing a game against the Cavs, I was up for the most part, but Jackson was really having an off game shooting, hardly anything would fall. Instead of force feeding him the ball, I pulled him out and put Gerald Henderson in. Henderson comes in hot and puts up 12 or so points, a handful of rebounds, couple assists, and a steal over the next 15--19 minutes. So I spelled him with Jack instead of putting Jack back in to continue bricking shots. This is only one example of many I could list of these types of scenarios. Depending on how you handle these scenarios can greatly alter the outcome of the quarter, half, or game.

This is just my hypothesis here, but I also think a lot of the scripting is built into the NBA Today and Living Roster updates. I say this because I don't experience this with every single game. I notice this from week to week, but it's generally on a consistent basis during on weeks and off weeks. Given the fact that you're playing in season/association mode, the Living Roster and NBA Today updates do not affect you. That could be the reason why some users are noticing this and some are not. I invite everyone to play a few NBA Today games to see if they notice what the rest of us are complaining about.

[dukebeatsuncagain]

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No.
I beat the cpu all the time.