NBA 2K11 Scripted ?

[Pared]

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Ha - yeah you're the expert so I'll take your word for it.

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[hitmanwa]

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Used to happen to me a lot too until I learned to move the ball until I got a good look. Also learned how to use Pick and Rolls/Pops and play a little defense. Don't always have to block or steal to be successful just stay in front and contest a shot as best you can.

Used to get pissed cause I couldn't hit crap with Ray Allen til I figured out how to use my picks to get better shots off now he's where I thought he should be.

Just my .02.

[ffpp]

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It wasn't a block because Wilcox's block rating is in the 30's. Had it been Dwight Howard it would have been a block. This proves that the game is based more on ratings than it is on the actual scenario; i.e. scripted.

I think this is not what is meant by scripted games. Scripted means that the games somehow pre-determines the outcome - or at least the course - of a game and gives ratings bonuses and penalties accordingly to one or both teams. Or theoretically could ignore some ratings in key situations altogether, although I don't believe that NBA 2k is doing that.

What you mean with the pure existence of ratings is just a necessary abstraction because real time phyiscs simulation down to the detail of precise collision detection of [hand/arm/whatever limp]<->ball and such is just very hard to do right and to make computable in real time.
Because of that ratings don't simulate every tiny detail of reality but rather try to emulate them via statistical means. But that is not 'scripting' the outcome or flow of a game.

[Pared]

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I think this is not what is meant by scripted games. Scripted means that the games somehow pre-determines the outcome - or at least the course - of a game and gives ratings bonuses and penalties accordingly to one or both teams. Or theoretically could ignore some ratings in key situations altogether, although I don't believe that NBA 2k is doing that.

What you mean with the pure existence of ratings is just a necessary abstraction because real time phyiscs simulation down to the detail of precise collision detection of [hand/arm/whatever limp]<->ball and such is just very hard to do right and to make computable in real time.
Because of that ratings don't simulate every tiny detail of reality but rather try to emulate them via statistical means. But that is not 'scripting' the outcome or flow of a game.

You are one of my new favorite posters here. This man gets it.

[AllStarDaDon]

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So I'm gonna do a little research for this topic, everygame I play on my association will be on HoF with realistic sliders. I'll post the CPU FG% of every quarter and see if the CPU some how have a higher FG% in the 3rd quarter, primarily the second half.

First game Wizards vs Lakers. I'm the Wizards. Lakers FG% 1Q = 47 2Q=42 3Q=63% 4=52%

[Mos1ted]

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So I'm gonna do a little research for this topic, everygame I play on my association will be on HoF with realistic sliders. I'll post the CPU FG% of every quarter and see if the CPU some how have a higher FG% in the 3rd quarter, primarily the second half.

First game Wizards vs Lakers. I'm the Wizards. Lakers FG% 1Q = 47 2Q=42 3Q=63% 4=52%

This is why I'm in the camp that the game is scripted because things like that happens EVERY game for me. It doesn't matter what the matchups are or how well I play in the first half; my team always goes cold in the third while the CPU goes on a big run. I can half a first half shooting over 50% and have a third quarter shooting at just 30% or lower. Did I all of sudden forget how to run an efficient offense in the 2 minutes it takes for halftime?

[Pared]

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So I'm gonna do a little research for this topic, everygame I play on my association will be on HoF.

Stopped right there.

There is nothing "realistic" about HOF and why these threads are useless.

No matter how many people tell you that, even the developers, they will swear that harder equals "more realistic."

Do you play any other game where harder equals realism, subjective to the game being played?

Harder is "harder" for a reason yet that begets common sense here for a reason I will never understand.

[Sovartus]

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Scripted... lol really? You guys are phising now. The game is NOT scripted. It's funny to me that guys ask for more realistic game play and then get frustrated when they get it.

Here is what is happening fellas....

It's called adaptive AI. The game is learning from your inputs and making adjustments to what you are doing during the breaks. If you are doing the same thing all game, eventually it will stop working... (when it feels like the game is cheating). You need to change something. Tap into your coaching sliders, mix up the personnel, change up the iso moves that you keep doing over and over. The CPU is learning from what you are doing and making changes and that is why you all of a sudden can't do anything.

Secondly, you must manage the momentum of the game. Call timeouts. You know how you can press up on the d-pad on offense and see if someone is heating up or cold? Make sure you are watching that because it will help you to know who to get the ball to. You want to look to see who has a high consistency be cause they heat up quickly and maintain streaks better. Remember, the same thing is true for the CPU's players so you will need to know who on the other team gets hot fast and maintains it. You will want to double those guys or call timeouts when they hit 2 or three shots in a row. This is very important to pay attention to.

Scripted... that's funny. How would they do that? Why would they do that?.... LMAO

[Zastrin]

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Earlier I played a game, All Star/Simulation like I always do. Clutch Factor OFF, Real Player FT%.

Nets vs Hornets (the roster right before D-Will was injured so he is 91 overall). I was dominating in the first half and then at the end of the third I was trailing the Hornets. Eventually lost the game 96-80. Just like the real Nets in real life. They are always dominating in the first half and by the second half, they fall apart.

I lost the game, I was dominating - now why would I think it was scripted? I was using the Nets, they're expected to lose they are inferior to New Orleans. It is adaptive AI, the CPU picked up on my scheme cause I was using dogtactics, sticking to what works. If I had changed it up, I could've probably won. My defensive game was solid in the beginning of the game though, surprisingly.

If you seriously think this game is scripted ... No comment. This is the greatest video game that I have ever played.

[AllStarDaDon]

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Scripted... lol really? You guys are phising now. The game is NOT scripted. It's funny to me that guys ask for more realistic game play and then get frustrated when they get it.

Here is what is happening fellas....

It's called adaptive AI. The game is learning from your inputs and making adjustments to what you are doing during the breaks. If you are doing the same thing all game, eventually it will stop working... (when it feels like the game is cheating). You need to change something. Tap into your coaching sliders, mix up the personnel, change up the iso moves that you keep doing over and over. The CPU is learning from what you are doing and making changes and that is why you all of a sudden can't do anything.

Secondly, you must manage the momentum of the game. Call timeouts. You know how you can press up on the d-pad on offense and see if someone is heating up or cold? Make sure you are watching that because it will help you to know who to get the ball to. You want to look to see who has a high consistency be cause they heat up quickly and maintain streaks better. Remember, the same thing is true for the CPU's players so you will need to know who on the other team gets hot fast and maintains it. You will want to double those guys or call timeouts when they hit 2 or three shots in a row. This is very important to pay attention to.

Scripted... that's funny. How would they do that? Why would they do that?.... LMAO

Good points. I do almost everything you included in your post, but except change up my offense. My offense consist of getting quality shots for Joe Crawford, Nick Young and Rashard Lewis off screens and John Wall's penetration ability, to attract defenders then kick out. I play sim, but me having a Wizards association limits my offensive ability. Good tips also, now reading back on it, it does seem like a stupid idea. Scripted games haha.

Also to the guy who said HoF isn't realistic, it is. With the right set of sliders and HoF difficulty, you get beautiful, intelligent, realistic basketball.

[brahmagoul]

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There's no such thing as adaptive AI in the Jordan Challenge when Vlade Divac commits his sixth foul, doesn't foul out, then all of a sudden starts blocking shots -- something that ultimately costs me the game and series. Maybe I just suck, but that's another issue.

Then, afterward, my profile file is corrupt, and my Jordan Challenge accomplishments are lost. Thanks a lot 2K, I think I'll be trading this in now for L.A. Noire or something.

Of course, I forget that I could care less about trophies -- as if they mean something. Or maybe that's an attitude of someone who can't beat the computer in a video game.

Rant over.

[ffpp]

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You are one of my new favorite posters here. This man gets it.

Woohoo! (Ok, that was nonsense now )

[Beantownbomber718]

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Good Gracious... Now a whole post/rant about scripted gameplay. If you can't handle HOF then don't play it.I don't play HOF at all anymore because it's not challenging to me but it's too unrealistic but listen all you gotta do is change difficulty to All Star,adjust sliders so the CPU has the edge & call it a day. Ever since i've done that i don't blow out the CPU nor does the cpu hit 20 shots in a row,it's mostly a close game,FG percentage for both teams is mid 40's & rebounding is at 40+.

[Guffers]

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I can understand the sentiment when your constantly giving up good leads and losing to the CPU, but for me its definitely a symptom of playing on a difficulty level that is above you.

Personally even allstar is too much for me. The CPU gets back too quickly destroying any chance of fast break points and they close out my shooters quicker than I can handle. For me Pro is where its at. Find a set of pro sliders and play a few games. If its too easy then turn up the CPU's shooting sliders until they are a threat.

This saved the game for me. Don't let the frustration of being on the wrong difficulty ruin one of the best sports games in years.

[Zastrin]

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I can understand the sentiment when your constantly giving up good leads and losing to the CPU, but for me its definitely a symptom of playing on a difficulty level that is above you.

Personally even allstar is too much for me. The CPU gets back too quickly destroying any chance of fast break points and they close out my shooters quicker than I can handle. For me Pro is where its at. Find a set of pro sliders and play a few games. If its too easy then turn up the CPU's shooting sliders until they are a threat.

This saved the game for me. Don't let the frustration of being on the wrong difficulty ruin one of the best sports games in years.

What he said.... but could it work opposite? Play on All Star and turn 'down' the CPU shooting sliders instead of playing on Pro and turning up the sliders... curious