Another Association Idea..

[cdfeezy]

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Woah cut out all the treasured arguing. This is been done and over with. I personally love LeBron. He and D-Wade are great friends/teammates/players/all-stars. I think they play well together and they will win the championship this year I promise you that.

Now to the OP. I think if you really don't like LeBron then you should keep him to the start the season regardless and just trade him for someone like Derrick Rose or someone who you feel is a better fit for the Heat. Just a suggestion.

[Armor and Sword]

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Well I've never liked LeBron, or Chris Bosh but the thing is I really don't think LeBron and D-Wade can play together and maximize their ability because they are so similar players, which is why i would get rid of LeBron. To answer the other question i would probably send him back to Cleveland.

Fail.

Won the title in year one and currently in the finals in year 2. THey play quite well together. And I love playing with the big three.

[Armor and Sword]

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The Cavs in the 2 seasons where they had THE BEST record in the league had PLENTY of talent around LeBron. Orlando was a TERRIBLE matchup vs the style the Cavaliers played, and the next year vs Boston, LeBron quit because he wanted out, point blank, plain and simple, end of discussion.

Nobody was talking about the Orlando Series 2 years ago. But you bringing up the Z gave up 10pts to DHoward in OT is a ridiculous argument... I mean c'mon, everyone knows Howard is Top 10 player in the league, of course he did that to Big Z... But I Agree, in that series, LeBron tore it up. I'm talking about last years playoffs vs the Celtics... During that series it became apparent that his "decision" had already been made... It was "too hard" for him and he simply could NOT do it even with the best team in the league for 2 consecutive seasons...

Like I said before, LeBron is a great "talent" but he doesn't have that "killer" mentality that puts Kobe, MJ on another level. He needs another guy to "take the big shot" as they say. You can't argue that fact.

If you don't believe me, check ou LeBron's "clutch" number in this year playoffs, WITH DWADE on his team...

http://www.nba.com/statscube/player.html#LeBron-James|2544;season=p;splitType=clutch;splitValue=all

The numbers don't lie. This guy doesn't have "it". If they ever win it down in Miami, he wont be the reason why.

LeBron's legacy will FOREVER be tarnished in mine and many peoples minds no matter how many titles they win in Miami. All this time everyone was hyping him as "the next MJ" but in reality, this guy has been Scottie Pippen all along.

Another huge fail. I guess that monster three by him and huge stop on Boston's last shot in regulation don't count.

Check back after the Heat wins 2,3 titles. His legacy tarnished? LOL. The guy is an amazing talent. Glad he is here.

[cgalligan]

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There is no disputing the facts, and you are dead wrong. So obvioiusly YOU don't know what you're talking about. Lebron and Bosh were not traded, they signed with Miami as a free agent. Get your knowledge up before you start bashing people.

Then you turn around in your post and say that as a FREE AGENT he can go wherever he wanted? You make no sense.

Oh, it wasn't that other free agents didn't sign in Cleveland to play with him because he only signed a 3 year extension originally. IT'S BECAUSE IT'S CLEVELAND AND CLEVELAND SUCKS. No star player would want to live there.

Cavs "sign and trade" LeBron

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/07/10/cavs-agree-to-lebron-james-sign-and-trade-for-draft-picks/

QUOTE From above article in case you don't care to read it all...
- "Dan Gilbert, who clearly remains seriously miffed at James for leaving, and for the way he left. But the trade allowed James to sign a six-year, max deal with Miami."

Raptors "sign and trade" Bosh

http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=6189

Get your facts right bro... All 3 are MAX contract players, and none of them "took less money"

Its all about the Money, it always will be... 3 players wont win a title, its a team game...

[cgalligan]

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OBVIOUSLY, you've never been to my town... Cleveland is FAR FROM the worst city in the country... I'm not one to bash were people live, but, if your not from here, you really can't judge Cleveland...

[ROSStafarian]

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Wow there's some truly bitter Cleveland fans on here... Is Dan Gilbert on here?

Another thing, I felt bad for cavs fans when Lebron left and felt you guys got the short end of the stick, but after hearing what Mr. Gilbert said in that letter he released haha i hope Lebron wipes the floor with Cleveland.

"I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS WILL WIN AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE SELF-TITLED FORMER 'KING' WINS ONE" -Gilbert

HA so laughable try winning 20 games overall or at least 10 wins on the road first.

"This shocking act of disloyalty from our home grown "chosen one" sends the exact opposite lesson of what we would want our children to learn. And "who" we would want them to grow-up to become.
But the good news is that this heartless and callous action can only serve as the antidote to the so-called "curse" on Cleveland, Ohio." -Gilbert



REALLY DAN?
Come on MAN!

[cgalligan]

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Dan Gilbert is the man.

He had that BALLZ to say Exactly what all Cleveland fans were feeling at the time of the "decision".

I applaud him for having the stones to stand up for us no matter how "bitter" you think it sounds.

The fact is LeBron was babied in this town. He was given the benefit of the doubt whenever ANYTHING negative came out about him. He was sheltered by the media here, and his "boyz" were given priviledges that no other team would have given them. He is a home grown kid, who was built up to be one of the most "loyal" and "family" oriented athletes ever. However, when things got "hard" he bailed. The fact that this man has the words "loyalty" "family" and "home" inked on his body is laughable...

One question for all you LeBron lovers... When MJ struggled to defeat the Pistons and Celtics in the Eastern Conference for YEARS, did he leave Chicago and seak out other players, like Isah and Larry to play with??? No, he, worked, and worked and worked and got better and better and better to eventually defeat them. Thats what sports are suposed to be about. COMPETITION!!! Your supposed to want to defeat the best players in the game not "join forces". If you can't beat em' join em'? Is that the new moto in the NBA these days???

If anyone ever puts LeBron in the same discussion as MJ they clearly don't understand what a true champion is in the NBA.

Also, I'm not sure who will say it, maybe Charles Barkley, but, mark my words, no matter how many titles, 1,2,3 Bron wins with Wade and Bosh, his fellow NBA Peers will not view him in the same light as a player like MJ. His legacy will in fact be tarnished because he "joined forces" with Wade and Bosh.

[bamagrad4]

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Dan Gilbert is the man.

He had that BALLZ to say Exactly what all Cleveland fans were feeling at the time of the "decision".

I applaud him for having the stones to stand up for us no matter how "bitter" you think it sounds.

The fact is LeBron was babied in this town. He was given the benefit of the doubt whenever ANYTHING negative came out about him. He was sheltered by the media here, and his "boyz" were given priviledges that no other team would have given them. He is a home grown kid, who was built up to be one of the most "loyal" and "family" oriented athletes ever. However, when things got "hard" he bailed. The fact that this man has the words "loyalty" "family" and "home" inked on his body is laughable...

One question for all you LeBron lovers... When MJ struggled to defeat the Pistons and Celtics in the Eastern Conference for YEARS, did he leave Chicago and seak out other players, like Isah and Larry to play with??? No, he, worked, and worked and worked and got better and better and better to eventually defeat them. Thats what sports are suposed to be about. COMPETITION!!! Your supposed to want to defeat the best players in the game not "join forces". If you can't beat em' join em'? Is that the new moto in the NBA these days???

If anyone ever puts LeBron in the same discussion as MJ they clearly don't understand what a true champion is in the NBA.

Also, I'm not sure who will say it, maybe Charles Barkley, but, mark my words, no matter how many titles, 1,2,3 Bron wins with Wade and Bosh, his fellow NBA Peers will not view him in the same light as a player like MJ. His legacy will in fact be tarnished because he "joined forces" with Wade and Bosh.

Very True. I'm getting sick of Hearing ChumpJames being comparable to MJ. Not even Close. Jordan had the Maturity to improve his game and let the Front office get the players he needed to take down the Celts and Pistons and last the Lakers. Jordan could've possibly left Chi-Town to join forces, but he didn't and Won 6 Titles and Handled Himself with Grace and Always gave the other team its due when Chi lost games. and Not Whine and Complain how many times he was fouled and teams played rough vs Him. Like CJ did when his Cavs lost to Orlando in 09.

MJ= NBA Legend and Played his entire Career with the Bulls and Won 6 Titles
CJ= NBA Joke and Left Cleveland when he couldn't get his way and wants to Buy his Championship with a Bought Team.

[SportsCenter23]

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Please don't compare Dan Gilbert to Mark Cuban. You can argue all you want, but Lebron was the Cavs. To say the Cavs would have been an 8th seed if not for injures this season? Right.... I feel bad for Lebron he had to play with those guys for so long.

[bamalam]

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Dan Gilbert is the man.

He had that BALLZ to say Exactly what all Cleveland fans were feeling at the time of the "decision".

I applaud him for having the stones to stand up for us no matter how "bitter" you think it sounds.

The fact is LeBron was babied in this town. He was given the benefit of the doubt whenever ANYTHING negative came out about him. He was sheltered by the media here, and his "boyz" were given priviledges that no other team would have given them. He is a home grown kid, who was built up to be one of the most "loyal" and "family" oriented athletes ever. However, when things got "hard" he bailed. The fact that this man has the words "loyalty" "family" and "home" inked on his body is laughable...

One question for all you LeBron lovers... When MJ struggled to defeat the Pistons and Celtics in the Eastern Conference for YEARS, did he leave Chicago and seak out other players, like Isah and Larry to play with??? No, he, worked, and worked and worked and got better and better and better to eventually defeat them. Thats what sports are suposed to be about. COMPETITION!!! Your supposed to want to defeat the best players in the game not "join forces". If you can't beat em' join em'? Is that the new moto in the NBA these days???

If anyone ever puts LeBron in the same discussion as MJ they clearly don't understand what a true champion is in the NBA.

Also, I'm not sure who will say it, maybe Charles Barkley, but, mark my words, no matter how many titles, 1,2,3 Bron wins with Wade and Bosh, his fellow NBA Peers will not view him in the same light as a player like MJ. His legacy will in fact be tarnished because he "joined forces" with Wade and Bosh.

not a bron fan, but...
lol at ringless barkley criticizing anyone who wins a ring. barkley, by not winning a ring, is viewed differently by his peers also.

shaq viewed differently for teaming up with kobe? didnt see kobe refusing shaq to join forces

how about kg approving his "trade" to bos ? didnt see pierce/allen refusing to join forces

d rodman for signing on with chi? didnt see mj/pippen refusing to join forces

what if melo wins in nyk with amare? melo forced the trade to nyk or he leaves as a fa. didnt see amare refusing to join forces. they will gladly accept cp3 or dwilliams if they can

get your best 15 and win or cry about better teams

free agency- players go where they want to go

[Evan_OS]

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This has gotten wayyyy off-topic

[cgalligan]

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not a bron fan, but...
lol at ringless barkley criticizing anyone who wins a ring. barkley, by not winning a ring, is viewed differently by his peers also.

shaq viewed differently for teaming up with kobe? didnt see kobe refusing shaq to join forces

how about kg approving his "trade" to bos ? didnt see pierce/allen refusing to join forces

d rodman for signing on with chi? didnt see mj/pippen refusing to join forces

what if melo wins in nyk with amare? melo forced the trade to nyk or he leaves as a fa. didnt see amare refusing to join forces. they will gladly accept cp3 or dwilliams if they can

get your best 15 and win or cry about better teams

free agency- players go where they want to go

I agree, FA can go where they want. But those situtions you listed above were nothing even close to the level of LeBron leaving. Shaq maybe, but Kobe wasn't a mega star yet... Maybe its because of the media coverage we have now, I'm not sure, but the decision was such a specticle it was on another level.

Like I said, I agree FA can go where they want, but, I do think this is bad bad BAD for the NBA as a whole, as teams like Cleveland are going to struggle to attract Free Agents because of misconceptions about the city. Teams like Memphis and OKC might be good for a few years, but in reality, we all no that players like Durant, Westbrook, Mayo, Gasol, and so on, will be leaving those "small" markets sooner, rather than later.

The LeBron situation... Sorry for getting off OP's topic...

You have to think about it from "our" perspective. We had a "home grown" player, so we were all thinking, "no way he leaves us, he cares about us, he IS one of us". And then "the decision" occured... Looking back on his career here, I have come to the realization that the media, (mainly here in CTown) made him out to be something (loyal) and someone (mj) that he wasn't. Throughout his entire career all he (lebron) talked about was wanting to win a title for the fans of Northeast Ohio. He talked about how he understood that Cleveland fans have been tourtured over the years, "the drive, the fumble, the shot, Jose Mesa in 1997, the move (browns), and now the decision. Leading up to the decision, nobody around here thought that he would want to include himself in the rest of cleveland's sports debacals. Thats why it was a shock when he decided to leave.

I don't know where I'm going with this. I guess I'm just trying to let people understand how "we" feel. I really don't think people "not from here" really understand the reason for all the LeBron hate now that he's gone. People just think its as simple as "he left in FA, get over it". When in our minds it goes way beyond Basketball.

My feeling is that no matter how many rings LeBron wins with DWade and Bosh in Miami, I think he will always feel bad about not winning one at "home". I don't think he'll ever actually say it, but as a competitor, I honestly feel like 1 Championship here, would have ment SO MUCH more than 2 or 3 Championships in Miami with all the "fair weather" fans.

[ZoneBlitz]

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Funny how no one expresses the same vitriol about Bret Favre. Hmmmm....I wonder why?

[cgalligan]

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Funny how no one expresses the same vitriol about Bret Favre. Hmmmm....I wonder why?

I'm sure there are plenty of Green Bay fans that are pissed at Favre...

Wait, are you trying to play the race card??? If so, thats pretty low... None, I mean NONE of my feelings about LeBron have ANYTHING to do with him being African American...

[ROSStafarian]

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Wow you Cleveland folks basically got your apology from lebron after the game last night, he explained himself perfectly. And I'm not sure what you call the last ten minutes (16-0 heat run 10 of we're James)of that game but I believe you call that killer instinct. We'll see if continue through the playoffs. And I really don't hate farve, I'm just glad that mess that he was towards the end wasnt with the pack.