Who else thinks the Double Team should come faster?

[jeebs9]

Re: Who else thinks the Double Team should come faster?

^^ Your talking my about the help defense in that video ^^

You can't even trap the ball handler like they do in the video. When the ball handler comes off screen. It is literally impossible to trap him. I've only done it once.

[TheKasmar]

Re: Who else thinks the Double Team should come faster?

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In the first 6 seconds of the video, when Bosh has the ball and makes his move into the paint watch how the defense collapses. There are 3 guys in the area making it tough for him to move or get close to the paint, this is how the game should play...

Bosh was doing that all wrong. After his initial hop step,he should have pump faked at least 8 times, then drawn a foul

[TheMan16]

Re: Who else thinks the Double Team should come faster?

not only does it need to be faster, but you shouldn't be able to shoot the ball out of it. The CPU does that a lot, especially in Myplayer

[Pared]

Re: Who else thinks the Double Team should come faster?

not only does it need to be faster, but you shouldn't be able to shoot the ball out of it. The CPU does that a lot, especially in Myplayer

You shouldn't be able to shoot out of a double team?

Are we just throwing real life out the window now?

[rockchisler]

Re: Who else thinks the Double Team should come faster?

^^ Your talking my about the help defense in that video ^^

You can't even trap the ball handler like they do in the video. When the ball handler comes off screen. It is literally impossible to trap him. I've only done it once.

Yes I am, I was off subject in including the video, but if you guys follow "Nbaplaybook" on Youtube they have short clips of Pick and roll, Double teams Iso and such but I just wanted to show something that can and should be done in the 2kseries..My bad tho for slightly misleading video.

[SamSosa67]

Re: Who else thinks the Double Team should come faster?

I hold L1 and it works just fine.

[jeebs9]

Re: Who else thinks the Double Team should come faster?

Yes I am, I was off subject in including the video, but if you guys follow "Nbaplaybook" on Youtube they have short clips of Pick and roll, Double teams Iso and such but I just wanted to show something that can and should be done in the 2kseries..My bad tho for slightly misleading video.

No need to be sorry. Lets just help fix the problem lol. I would like to see the help trapper come at the ball handler with his hands rasied above his head.

[rockchisler]

Re: Who else thinks the Double Team should come faster?

No need to be sorry. Lets just help fix the problem lol. I would like to see the help trapper come at the ball handler with his hands rasied above his head.

This...and keep ball defenders hands at 11 and 4 o clock. Hands down equals man down..

[StueyisugLy]

Re: Who else thinks the Double Team should come faster?

I think a slow double team is a by-product of needing to tune the game for online play. A double team that comes quick (like in real life) is open for abuse online, especially with the clunky non-icon passing and the psychic defenders stealing any ball that comes near them.

I find the most effective way to double team is just to do it manually and pressure the ball handler into giving the ball away with the steal button or force them to shoot by blocking the passing lane with the right stick.

[jeebs9]

Re: Who else thinks the Double Team should come faster?

I think a slow double team is a by-product of needing to tune the game for online play. A double team that comes quick (like in real life) is open for abuse online, especially with the clunky non-icon passing and the psychic defenders stealing any ball that comes near them.

I find the most effective way to double team is just to do it manually and pressure the ball handler into giving the ball away with the steal button or force them to shoot by blocking the passing lane with the right stick.

Your totally right... It has been a problem in the 2k series online that users would basically abuse the double team. And the game would have no flow. Just someone running around trying to steal passes off of it. I think if you have good defenders the double team should lock in a little quicker.

[blues rocker]

Re: Who else thinks the Double Team should come faster?

yeah...double teams are way too ineffective - it takes too long for the player to come over and double...then, when they do come over they often don't move to the right spot or will sag way off the guy and not really pressure him...

also, even when you do effectively double a player, it's way too easy for him to just rise up and shoot over the double team and be successful...in 2k12 double teaming a guy should make it almost impossible for him to score...force the guy being doubled to play good basketball and pass it out to the open man rather than just shooting right over the double team.

[jeebs9]

Re: Who else thinks the Double Team should come faster?

Well you should be able to shot over any double team. If your open your open. Your chances of making a shot shouldn't decrease just because someone double teams you. Your shot should decrease depending on the pressure from the defense not the double team. What happens is that people come to rely on the double team to get better defense.

[jepot]

Re: Who else thinks the Double Team should come faster?

How do you get it to work in keyboard anyway?

[blues rocker]

Re: Who else thinks the Double Team should come faster?

Well you should be able to shot over any double team. If your open your open. Your chances of making a shot shouldn't decrease just because someone double teams you. Your shot should decrease depending on the pressure from the defense not the double team. What happens is that people come to rely on the double team to get better defense.

yeah, but the whole concept of a double team implies that you are pressuring the offensive player...there should be no such thing as a "loose" double team...otherwise, what's the point?

[Da_Czar]

Re: Who else thinks the Double Team should come faster?

yeah...double teams are way too ineffective - it takes too long for the player to come over and double...then, when they do come over they often don't move to the right spot or will sag way off the guy and not really pressure him...

also, even when you do effectively double a player, it's way too easy for him to just rise up and shoot over the double team and be successful...in 2k12 double teaming a guy should make it almost impossible for him to score...force the guy being doubled to play good basketball and pass it out to the open man rather than just shooting right over the double team.

I could be mistaken but weren't we complaining that they were too strong a year or two ago ? Not trying to be funny. I'm really asking here. I thought they were too strong and you couldn't break out. But maybe I am confused on that one.

The online concern is a valid point and you guys are also assuming that it will be used in a sim manner. What would cheesers do with the double team as described in this thread ? That couldn't be too good could it ?