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  • Jukeman
    Showtime
    • Aug 2005
    • 10955

    #76
    Re: Trade Logic Needs to Be Addressed

    Wow 1st round draft picks are only valued as a half of star..

    That could be a bug along with POT not having a effect on veteran players (29 and older) unlike last year. (POT determining trade value)
    Last edited by Jukeman; 10-08-2011, 06:37 PM.

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    • pilonv1
      Negative Vibe Merchant
      • Jul 2003
      • 379

      #77
      Re: Trade Logic Needs to Be Addressed

      Originally posted by Marcus
      Are the trades worse in MyPlayer than Association mode or is it the same?
      Within 1 month of My Player starting (drafted by Golden State)

      Epke Udoh & Dorell Wright for Nate Robinson & Nick Collison - Warriors end up with Ellis, Curry and Robinson

      David Lee & Al Thornton for Hedo Turkoglu & Daniel Orton

      I feel like this has somewhat ruined this current My Player, within a month there are teams that are unrecognizable.

      Nevremind Manu Ginobili for Mehmet Okur & Francisco Elson.

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      • nogster
        MVP
        • Mar 2006
        • 3834

        #78
        Re: Trade Logic Needs to Be Addressed

        Originally posted by Jukeman
        Wow 1st round draft picks are only valued as a half of star..

        That could be a bug along with POT not having a effect on veteran players (29 and older) unlike last year. (POT determining trade value)
        thats terrible.
        29!!
        why even have a pot rating if it means jack before players even reach their peak.
        Pot should matter at any age in this game.

        and 1st round picks being valued that low is awful.
        I thought that in previous games the 1st round pick was a little too powerful. but now...urggh.
        This game couldntve been tested.
        it really is a mess under the hood isnt it.

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        • jin192
          Rookie
          • Oct 2011
          • 35

          #79
          Re: Trade Logic Needs to Be Addressed

          its unacceptable, any1 playing this game for a few hours would have noticed this, how can people dev the MP who had months to do, miss this??
          Last edited by jin192; 10-09-2011, 07:32 AM.

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          • Pitfighter87
            Pro
            • Nov 2009
            • 803

            #80
            Re: Trade Logic Needs to Be Addressed

            Somethin has to be done about this ASAP.How in the **** can things get worse from 2k11?I thought they where on the right track for the most part it couldve def been better but 11 is no where near as bad as this as far as trade logic goes.There is no excuse for this at all.They had to sim a few seasons in either my player or association and see this so how in the heck did a giant red flag not pop up?!?! Ive not even touched my player because it would drive me nuts seein all these off the wall trades and there be nothin i could do about it. I just dont get it guys.........

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            • Hotobu
              MVP
              • Sep 2008
              • 1438

              #81
              Re: Trade Logic Needs to Be Addressed

              Anyone who's near the All-Star game may want to check their trades to see if this stuff is still happening. In my game it appears as though the proverbial dust has settled. It's like the game's all tuckered out from molding the league into its demented vision.

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              • oaba09
                Rookie
                • Oct 2011
                • 86

                #82
                Re: Trade Logic Needs to Be Addressed

                Well, a lot of stupid trades have happened in the NBA the past couple of seasons...If you think about it, it's actually quite realistic LOL...

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                • Hotobu
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 1438

                  #83
                  Re: Trade Logic Needs to Be Addressed

                  Originally posted by oaba09
                  Well, a lot of stupid trades have happened in the NBA the past couple of seasons...If you think about it, it's actually quite realistic LOL...
                  I'm throwing the red flag and challenging your BS. I invite you to review the trades in this thread both in quality and magnitude and tell me that anything about most of them is anywhere near realistic. Base cookie cutter responses aren't enough to justify something that everyone here knows is completely busted.

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                  • Onpoint17
                    Rookie
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 381

                    #84
                    Re: Trade Logic Needs to Be Addressed

                    I think the problem here is that 2K believes they did address the trade logic in 2K11. Despite what we point out to them (6 power forwards all with the same ratings, etc.) they won't acknowledge there is a problem. I will say this. There has been no change in the draft logic that I can see from 2K10 to 2K11. When I play Association (in the off-season) I still have to manually go through all teams and drop the excess PGs or PFs on various teams and drop the players that are all rated the same at one position because it destroys moral on most of the teams because the players can't get the playing time they deserve. I then have to place lower rated players (from free agency) on the teams who normally fill out the rosters as bench warmers. Its almost like the trade logic doesn't even take into account a player's rating when they are traded or drafted in relation to the players that are already on the team. That a huge part of the problem that needs to be addressed.

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                    • Jukeman
                      Showtime
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 10955

                      #85
                      Originally posted by nogster
                      thats terrible.
                      29!!
                      why even have a pot rating if it means jack before players even reach their peak.
                      Pot should matter at any age in this game.

                      and 1st round picks being valued that low is awful.
                      I thought that in previous games the 1st round pick was a little too powerful. but now...urggh.
                      This game couldntve been tested.
                      it really is a mess under the hood isnt it.
                      I'm not sure at what age players stop progressing and start regressing this year (had a player with 99 POT progress one point when retiring)

                      But the 26-30 age group seem to be the average age depending on potential rating and whether the player is getting PT or not.

                      But I do know that the potential rating is blanked out for players 29 and older and it seem as if the pot rating isn't factored in trade value for those players anymore. For example, take a guy who has not yet had his potential blanked out and adjust his pot rating to 25 then 99, you'll see his "stars" drop and increase, do the same for a vet and nothing happens...Last year this wasn't the case.


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                      • tril
                        MVP
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 2914

                        #86
                        Re: Trade Logic Needs to Be Addressed

                        is this a my player issue.
                        In the past, Ive never had any glaring AI trade logic issues in franchise mode.
                        and while some of those trades migh tnot be realistic in real life, they may be realitic in the virtual realm.

                        how many trades have you done. could your trade logic be affecting the trade logic. If youre imrpoving your team,in an unrealistic way wouldnt some opposing teams do the same. Its an arms race-just like the real NBA

                        DO you all do deep analysis of the teams, or do you just monitor trades.

                        are these players happy before the trades, do they demand trades, are they on losing teams that have decided to rebuild. is there another player on that team that is a better fit, at said position.

                        I noticed someone posted the Lamarcus aldrige and pg for Shannon Brown trade for Pau Gasol. that seems kind of relaistc to me.

                        didnt LA land Pau Gasol for bag of Frito Lays Potato chips a few years ago.

                        Though not perfect, I think the system is far from broken. Its a virtual league that probably has some logic imbedded in the code, whcih is triggered by how one's particular league is playing out.

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                        • oaba09
                          Rookie
                          • Oct 2011
                          • 86

                          #87
                          Re: Trade Logic Needs to Be Addressed

                          Originally posted by Hotobu
                          I'm throwing the red flag and challenging your BS. I invite you to review the trades in this thread both in quality and magnitude and tell me that anything about most of them is anywhere near realistic. Base cookie cutter responses aren't enough to justify something that everyone here knows is completely busted.
                          You obviously missed the fact that I was kidding on my post(the LOL in my post should've been enough to signify that)...

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                          • Pitfighter87
                            Pro
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 803

                            #88
                            Re: Trade Logic Needs to Be Addressed

                            Originally posted by tril
                            is this a my player issue.
                            In the past, Ive never had any glaring AI trade logic issues in franchise mode.
                            and while some of those trades migh tnot be realistic in real life, they may be realitic in the virtual realm.

                            how many trades have you done. could your trade logic be affecting the trade logic. If youre imrpoving your team,in an unrealistic way wouldnt some opposing teams do the same. Its an arms race-just like the real NBA

                            DO you all do deep analysis of the teams, or do you just monitor trades.

                            are these players happy before the trades, do they demand trades, are they on losing teams that have decided to rebuild. is there another player on that team that is a better fit, at said position.

                            I noticed someone posted the Lamarcus aldrige and pg for Shannon Brown trade for Pau Gasol. that seems kind of relaistc to me.

                            didnt LA land Pau Gasol for bag of Frito Lays Potato chips a few years ago.

                            Though not perfect, I think the system is far from broken. Its a virtual league that probably has some logic imbedded in the code, whcih is triggered by how one's particular league is playing out.
                            Nope trust me its busted.The CPU does enough big time off the wall trades by january your startin over.Ive done about 5 associations so far and Manu and Tyreke have been traded in atleast three of um in the first year. Teams like the kings should be holdin on to there future stars and the Spurs wouldnt trade Manu when he's a key part in what their doin now.Theres no "logic" behind alot of the trades at all.

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                            • TrapStar215
                              MVP
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 2832

                              #89
                              Re: Trade Logic Needs to Be Addressed

                              Originally posted by oaba09
                              Well, a lot of stupid trades have happened in the NBA the past couple of seasons...If you think about it, it's actually quite realistic LOL...
                              Originally posted by Hotobu
                              I'm throwing the red flag and challenging your BS. I invite you to review the trades in this thread both in quality and magnitude and tell me that anything about most of them is anywhere near realistic. Base cookie cutter responses aren't enough to justify something that everyone here knows is completely busted.
                              ^Exactly, just look at the very 1st post.
                              "Okay, here's the story. I come from the gutter. I know that. I got no education... but that's okay. I know the street, and I'm making all the right connections. With the right woman, there's no stopping me. I could go right to the top."

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                              • oaba09
                                Rookie
                                • Oct 2011
                                • 86

                                #90
                                Re: Trade Logic Needs to Be Addressed

                                I just traded bynum for Nene to clear some cap space...I tried getting the 2 1st round picks of the nuggets(current and next season) and the nuggets surprisingly agreed w/ the trade...

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