Does 3PT% need tuning?

[Stiles]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

So far I have only been playing MyPlayer (No sliders of course) on "Sim" and to me 3 point % is too high. Now open 3 I don't have a problem with, It's all the last second on the shot clock,3 feet behind the line with a hand right in their face and you know the shots going in.

It also makes putting a team away too difficult because every time you build up a lead they start taking and knocking down miracle 3 pointers.You can almost see it coming.It's like half the league is Ray Allen.

I vote for bringing down the 3 point %.

[TalenT]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

@ Talent

The sad part is that u don't have to be open to hit the 3. I've played somebody online and they had the grizzlies. Boy oh boy was every three dropping and the bad thing is that they was all contested and it wasn't even Rudy gay. I almost broke my controller.

Yeah Scoon. The game is almost unplayable online. I played 2 online games for the first time last night and lost both. I don't mind losing...it's just the way I lost. I played the Lakers and all the guy did was run around with Kobe and shot contested pull-ups till Kobe got hot and the shot contested threes. Then I played the Knicks. The guy almost did the exact same thing with Melo! I think I might call it quits with online unless I'm playing somebody from this site. -SMH-

[Colts18]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

Players and Team 3 point tendencies set too high, some players 3 point attributes set to high. Fix this 2K problem solved.

2K Insider doesn't know how to edit tendencies. So don't hold your breath Rams.

[Tackleberry]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

Don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread. But the 3pt shot tendency progresses in association mode. Meaning you have bigs shooting 3's (and bricking them). Within a couple years the shooting percentages are in the low 40's for teams because of all the people who shouldn't be shooting 3's are, and not hitting them obviously. This affects gameplay and and simulated results.

[STLRams]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

2K Insider doesn't know how to edit tendencies. So don't hold your breath Rams.

I know, Ive found this out the hard way the past 3 years requesting for him to do this on his blog.....sad. This could be a easy fix for 2K if they could get someone to properly edit the 3 point ratings and tendencies for the players and teams, cause I know its a 2% chance the 2K Insider will do this properly. Hopefully Beluba or another DEV can get on this guy about this.

[Mintsa]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

From an online gamers impressions.......

It needs to be knocked down just a tad.

I do want 3's to be reduced...BUT....not at the expense of it being toned down where it's damn near impossible to knock down a three or even a long range jumper like in previous seasons online (after "tweaking").

So I say tune it down...yes. But not too much. Then it's just going to be a dunkfest/in paint game online again.

[Vni]

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I don't know if it's lag or what but playing my friend online (Pretty cool games btw, it worked well but we live like a mile away from each other) we had pretty decent results with 3's while offline we lower the 3's by 3 and 2 for the mid range. From what I read the biggest problem is in myplayer where you can't adjust sliders and defend everyone.

[Sundown]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

I definitely think 3 pointers need to be tweaked. I think why some of the percentages look "okay" to the developers masks what I think might actually be going on.

3 points with any daylight and off the dribble will fall way more often then it feels they should. This encourages players to take any shot with a little space regardless of their movement all, and there's no need to work for set shots through plays and screens. Since this encourages the "cheeser" game style, players are also taking and gambling on bad shots. In the end the bad shots plus the consistency of non-set, slightly open threes results in volume 3 point shooting that average into "realistic" percentages but plays nothing like it.

I had a game where I built a 8-10 to 0 lead on the lakers because the player would do nothing but force up contested, midrange shots with Kobe. I was working for and taking wide open 2's with Ellis and Curry. Then he bails himself out with 3 consecutive threes. I get suckered into this gamestyle and since I'm terrible at it, end up losing down the stretch.

[Hotobu]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

I definitely think 3 pointers need to be tweaked. I think why some of the percentages look "okay" to the developers masks what I think might actually be going on.

3 points with any daylight and off the dribble will fall way more often then it feels they should. This encourages players to take any shot with a little space regardless of their movement all, and there's no need to work for set shots through plays and screens. Since this encourages the "cheeser" game style, players are also taking and gambling on bad shots. In the end the bad shots plus the consistency of non-set, slightly open threes results in volume 3 point shooting that average into "realistic" percentages but plays nothing like it.

I think there may be some truth to this. My first question is "what % do they think is 'ok'? " On top of that though whatever % they think is fine they probably need to lower that threshold a few % points. I realized that random people can't be expected to play "sim", but it's due this that random people tend to have bad shot selection. Bad shot selection should not be rewarded. The average player shooting 37% in a perfect world would be fine, but since the average player tends to take horrible shots I question whether or not that threshold should be lowered.

[Sundown]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

I think there may be some truth to this. My first question is "what % do they think is 'ok'? " On top of that though whatever % they think is fine they probably need to lower that threshold a few % points. I realized that random people can't be expected to play "sim", but it's due this that random people tend to have bad shot selection. Bad shot selection should not be rewarded. The average player shooting 37% in a perfect world would be fine, but since the average player tends to take horrible shots I question whether or not that threshold should be lowered.

It seems like they should instead be looking at percentages for open shots vs contested shots and comparing it with real NBA percentages. They should also be looking at the highest percentages by particular NBA players by particular users: IE, if Ray Allen is shooting 60% on 3's in volume, something is broken, but they most likely don't have all this data. I feel like the team percentages might also look right because star players are making ridiculous percentages but you might brick a few with backups.

Oh, for what it's worth, in the Lakers game I played above they shot 50% at the three, but I would brick open/semi-open shots with Ellis and Curry, probably because of momentum. Absolutely aggrivating.

This ties into my other gripe. The game makes you do a slow block 50% of the time when trying to contest and close out. This makes defending the 3 even more difficult.

[TalenT]

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I don't think the percentages are the problem as much as the type of threes that are going in. There are far too many contested, standing threes that go in for average shooters. I don't know how you can dispute that.

[Kaanyr Vhok]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

I don't think the percentages are the problem as much as the type of threes that are going in. There are far too many contested, standing threes that go in for average shooters. I don't know how you can dispute that.

I havent faced one person who hit a bunch of contested threes or shots period with average shooters. The problem is the elite shooters hitting contested threes and the stance being tough to control.

[Zastrin]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

It's online .... 5 minute quarters .... unrealistic: what is Sim about that?

Basketball Sim would 12 minute quarters.

Tone down the 3s, big time.

Someone who 80 3PT shouldn't be splashing them like someone with 93 3PT.

[TalenT]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

I havent faced one person who hit a bunch of contested threes or shots period with average shooters. The problem is the elite shooters hitting contested threes and the stance being tough to control.

What game are you playing? I'm talkin' about the Monte Ellis' of the world. While he can shoot, he's not "a shooter". He shouldn't be draining 3's on a regular.

[MeloNYK7]

Re: Does 3PT% need tuning?

momentum shots should not be going in from three at the rate they are. no one in the league shoots floating threes. you should have to be set to make threes consistently.