Trouble with dribble penetration

[Jano]

Re: Trouble with dribble penetration

Wait.. You can branch out of dribble pull ups? Or did you mean to say escape dribbles..

Yep you can give it try in practice mode!

[DonWuan]

Wait.. You can branch out of dribble pull ups? Or did you mean to say escape dribbles..

That's how you get poor defenders jumping for joy.

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[Synchromesh]

Re: Trouble with dribble penetration

Okay Quick update...
I just found out how to get past your man, what you guys originally said was correct TEN FOLD.
It is impossible to get around your man while holding RT...That's what my problem was, went to post play with D-rose against Mario Chalmers... Found out the timing between when to Explode with the RT and when to release it so you don't get sucked in...
Thanks a lot guys. This game just got a lot better for me

Now to go to work in the post...

Could you explain what the hell you meant here ? I'm having some trouble with dribble penetration as well, I'm going to go play right now and consciously not use turbo to see what happens, but any other tips would help.

[SIZEqueen]

In all honesty you can evade defenders without using any iso moves more than with. A simple crossover will very often lead to a bumping animation, but going to the same spot without any moves will work. It's lame, and at times it really isn't practical.

Bumping needs to be toned way, way down. Improve defense some other way, but the sliding and bumping is getting tired.

[Synchromesh]

Re: Trouble with dribble penetration

Just went into scrimmage mode and tried messing around with getting into the lane without holding turbo... And damn... It really does work!

I must have been holding it unintentionally or pushing it at the wrong times before.

[THEone86]

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Just went into scrimmage mode and tried messing around with getting into the lane without holding turbo... And damn... It really does work!

I must have been holding it unintentionally or pushing it at the wrong times before.

I know I felt that way after I found out as well.

[RyanFitzmagic]

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It is impossible to get around your man while holding RT...That's what my problem was

That makes no sense. What was 2K thinking with this?

Yeah it was alot easier to get by your defender in 11 really to easy.If you would stand still on the wing and barely move your player to one direction the defender would slide real quick and followed with a cross you could put him on the ground or make him stumble 7/10 times and almost guarantee a bucket.

Some of us prefer not to use cheese moves to beat the CPU.
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[Pitfighter87]

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Some of us prefer not to use cheese moves to beat the CPU.
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LOL i was just pointin out that that stupid animation was the reason you could easily get past your defender.No matter if you where comin out of a size up or doin what i said as soon as you seen him jump you would hit him with a move the opposite.But that is true to real basketball take a look...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVqElk2nE5oget um on their toes and punish um but it was to easy to do in 11 this year that "jerk"animation is gone and it plays out more like in the video.

[yungsta404]

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this is very interesting. I guess it is just 1 way to make people who turbo like a mad man in the half court less effective.

[RyanFitzmagic]

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LOL i was just pointin out that that stupid animation was the reason you could easily get past your defender.No matter if you where comin out of a size up or doin what i said as soon as you seen him jump you would hit him with a move the opposite.But that is true to real basketball take a look...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVqElk2nE5oget um on their toes and punish um but it was to easy to do in 11 this year that "jerk"animation is gone and it plays out more like in the video.

I feel you. In hindsight, I definitely think I shouldn't have been so harsh. I apologize for that.

[btrapp]

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Basically 2k has taken athleticism out of the equation. Explosive slashers like rose and cp3 can actually be locked up by guys like steve nash with relative ease. A lot of times playing the game feels like i'm playing ball in the fifties. The funny thing is that as long as you just shoot mid range jumpers and threes the cpu isn't that hard to defeat. Because of the ridiculous contact animations, a partially open three is a higher percentage shot than a layup.

[stillfeelme]

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Basically 2k has taken athleticism out of the equation. Explosive slashers like rose and cp3 can actually be locked up by guys like steve nash with relative ease. A lot of times playing the game feels like i'm playing ball in the fifties. The funny thing is that as long as you just shoot mid range jumpers and threes the cpu isn't that hard to defeat. Because of the ridiculous contact animations, a partially open three is a higher percentage shot than a layup.

I agree 100% like I said this in other threads like the wishlists. A guy like Rose can use speed alone to blow by defenders or he can use a quick cross over just to get you going in one direction. In this game you can get by a CPU defender but it is not by speed usually. I was watching hardwood classics on NBA TV as a reference and I said to myself this is one of the only things 2K hasn't mastered yet. They do have the correct animation for the fake on the drive but there is still too much consistent contact on the sim settings and too many below average defenders with the ability to stay in front of great slashers. The game is great but they don't have this area respresented correctly. They are forcing bumping animations that would not happen this often with quick players like Rose or CP3, throw in Westbrook too. One on one there is no one that can consistently stay in front of Rose but in this game that is something different. The reason why Rose doesn't get bumped is because he is moving too fast and the defender can't move their feet fast enough to stay in front of him. He is too crafty with the ball too that is a deadly combination. The thing is, just because you get in the paint doesn't mean you would score all the time. That is what help defense is for. Rose shoots some tough floaters, runners and layups at odd angles that don't always go in.

[UK_Bullsfan]

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I've been noticing this too.. It is incredibly hard to beat your man off the dribble.. I'm not even able to get Rose past the center when I have a mismatch.. I'm sure part of this is me sucking but I never had any issue in 2k11.. The only way I've had any success is by not using any isomotion or turbo, just dribble in and change direction a bit.

All my points come from mid range pull ups and post moves, I can't even find open shooters much because of the inability to get inside and draw defenders even against incredibly favourable mismatches.. It's really annoying and unrealistic

[D.E.L.L Sosa]

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It is hard to get past players for some reason, but when you chain moves together look at how the are standing, if they are playing you to a direction dribble there and double tap the turbo or the other trigger helps sometimes.

[TeddyKGB]

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The AI is too predictive/sticky on any of the sim settings with the on-ball defense much above the default of 50. Also, the help defense collapses into the middle very, very quickly.