Why are defenders leaving their assignments?

[ronglengco]

Re: Why are defenders leaving their assignments?

What do you have your offball defensive settings set to for the guys you keep seeing leave ? If you have it at auto they will still decide to leave regardless of coach settings I believe If you don't want them to leave at all set them to deny for off ball settings.

So if that's the case, we cannot use the "On The Fly" defensive settings anymore because using them automatically changes your manual defensive settings. This is what I observed. Correct me if I'm wrong. And if assigning the defensive settings manually is the only solution, then that's what I'm gonna have to do. It just sucks because it is kinda tedious to manually set everything. I just wanna play without having to set the defensive settings manually.

Also, would you say that the AI on the OTFC settings are therefore "broken" that we have to manually set everything just to have our AI teammates act as they should? Is this something they would/could/should fix in a patch?

[elprez98]

Re: Why are defenders leaving their assignments?

What's the players' defensive awareness?

For the last 15-16 years, I'm sure coaches have "set their help defense to 0" and told their players not to sag off Ray Allen...yet it still happens to this day.

[Pared]

Re: Why are defenders leaving their assignments?

What's the players' defensive awareness?

For the last 15-16 years, I'm sure coaches have "set their help defense to 0" and told their players not to sag off Ray Allen...yet it still happens to this day.

Ray's made a living coming off of screens and hitting shots.

What we've seen here (including the video posted) is something that, setting or not, shouldn't happen.

The game is coded to have players go to a general area on the floor based on a DT or a defensive setting. Those hard-coded areas just need work.

And my weakside help's momentum is so overdone that players can't recover.

I can put these issues aside and play the game nightly. I just can't agree that they are things that don't need work.

[Da_Czar]

Re: Why are defenders leaving their assignments?

So if that's the case, we cannot use the "On The Fly" defensive settings anymore because using them automatically changes your manual defensive settings. This is what I observed. Correct me if I'm wrong. And if assigning the defensive settings manually is the only solution, then that's what I'm gonna have to do. It just sucks because it is kinda tedious to manually set everything. I just wanna play without having to set the defensive settings manually.

Also, would you say that the AI on the OTFC settings are therefore "broken" that we have to manually set everything just to have our AI teammates act as they should? Is this something they would/could/should fix in a patch?

THose are just templates... They won't cover every situation. If you want a specific defensive coverage you want's may be different than mine. I don't think there is a way to keep everyone happy.

If you don't set never for double team and leave off ball on auto the AI may elect to double ... To prevent that set never double on the post and deny or tight on the passer.

Unless they guy is doing that regardless of the proper setting I don't see why they would need to patch it. Because you can't know what all of us as individuals may want unless your beef was he helped in the wrong place.

[Da_Czar]

Re: Why are defenders leaving their assignments?

Ray's made a living coming off of screens and hitting shots.

What we've seen here (including the video posted) is something that, setting or not, shouldn't happen.

The game is coded to have players go to a general area on the floor based on a DT or a defensive setting. Those hard-coded areas just need work.

And my weakside help's momentum is so overdone that players can't recover.

I can put these issues aside and play the game nightly. I just can't agree that they are things that don't need work.

P I am not understanding where you think that help guy should have went ? Or are you saying he just shouldn't have gone ?

[Da_Czar]

Re: Why are defenders leaving their assignments?

That doesn't work..Ive gone in countless times to fix how I want my coverage to be but always seems to "Sag Off" players at random. Do I really want to sag off Ray Allen??

Really ? have you set him to deny or just tight ? THis has not been my experience. I am going to check it just to make sure I saw what I think I saw. I am working on 2 more defensive videos in this exact area. I hope this stuff is actually working LOL.

[jersez]

Re: Why are defenders leaving their assignments?

Pressure shooters help a little but. Teammates are still inferior AI wise compared to the cpu. Even on offense the cpu doesn't use screens or cut correctly.

[RedmanR]

Re: Why are defenders leaving their assignments?

I gotta say it because you know it's gonna be said eventually: Play better defense, play on-ball defense, lower it to rookie, learn to play the game etc. etc..

I play pretty good defense, on-ball defense myself. So let me go learn to play the game. . . I'll be right back

nope......YOU can play better defense but you can't say the same for your cpu teammates who has a tendency of leaving guys wide open...

Exactly.

That doesn't work..Ive gone in countless times to fix how I want my coverage to be but always seems to "Sag Off" players at random. Do I really want to sag off Ray Allen??

I make adjustments before and during game. Try sagging off Jodie Meeks and see what happens

What do you have your offball defensive settings set to for the guys you keep seeing leave ? If you have it at auto they will still decide to leave regardless of coach settings I believe If you don't want them to leave at all set them to deny for off ball settings.

I've set off-ball defense to moderate and play tight. I rarely leave it set to Auto. I deny ball as well.

So what about when I'm on offense. . . what causes my team mates to head for the locker room during the game

[Pared]

Re: Why are defenders leaving their assignments?

P I am not understanding where you think that help guy should have went ? Or are you saying he just shouldn't have gone ?

In regards to that video, the help defender on a DT forces the offensive player with ball towards the baseline as a third defender and tries to seal the paint off.

He dives down to do this early, comes back to his man, then for some reason heads straight for the paint and stands behind his teammate.

It reminds me of the problem that was in 2k11 very early on before the help def. rotations were established through the patch.

[nova91]

Re: Why are defenders leaving their assignments?

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I think Pared got it. No matter how valid a complaint is those are some of the responses you will get from people.

[RedmanR]

Re: Why are defenders leaving their assignments?

P I am not understanding where you think that help guy should have went ? Or are you saying he just shouldn't have gone ?

In thee video the help guy should've made an attempt to do just that. . . HELP on-ball which he didn't. NO hands up or attempt on the ball not to mention he was totally out of position verses where the ball was actually being played. Not once but twice the help defender runs pass the ball so he's definitely not playing the ball but protecting the basket only to double back to his man

[djwax90]

Re: Why are defenders leaving their assignments?

Yea, I've had, specifically, Dorell Wright run from his assignment at one corner of the baseline, across the baseline, to the opposite block on NUMEROUS occasions. Needless to say, I've given him an earful and a half from my couch.

[Sovartus]

Re: Why are defenders leaving their assignments?

That doesn't work..Ive gone in countless times to fix how I want my coverage to be but always seems to "Sag Off" players at random. Do I really want to sag off Ray Allen??

Then it sounds like an overall team defensive pressure issue. Is this happening when the ball is more than 2 passes away or all the time? I'm not getting the same issue.

[djsider2]

Re: Why are defenders leaving their assignments?

What do you have your offball defensive settings set to for the guys you keep seeing leave ? If you have it at auto they will still decide to leave regardless of coach settings I believe If you don't want them to leave at all set them to deny for off ball settings.

I would be careful about setting the off-ball settings to deny or play tight. I'm not sure what other settings might be involved, but i've seen off-ball down screens between a big and a guard where my defenders will switch. This leaves my guard against a center down in the post and a guard against my center on the perimeter.

[Da_Czar]

Re: Why are defenders leaving their assignments?

I play pretty good defense, on-ball defense myself. So let me go learn to play the game. . . I'll be right back






I've set off-ball defense to moderate and play tight. I rarely leave it set to Auto. I deny ball as well.

So what about when I'm on offense. . . what causes my team mates to head for the locker room during the game

I am not familiar with this happening on offense. I was only trying to assist with the defense.

I will test this out tonight I believe when I set a guy to deny he will never leave him. Even if it means giving up a layup. I have not seen yet.. and I will check tonight where when I have the settings correct both coaching and individual where a guy will leave his man to double or help as seen in this video.

I am looking for those cases.