Why So much hate ?

[WizardJay]

Re: Why So much hate ?

Ok i just had 3 back to back to back good games with properly tweaked sliders. Last game was Mavs vs Thunder(me). I shut Dirk down but Caron and Terry picked up his slack. Durant had i bad 1st half but had i dominant 2nd half.

Critical play: 4th qtr with 40-something seconds left, the Mavs give the ball to Dirk in the post vs Iblocka(Ibaka). Ibaka blocks Dirks shot out of bounds with 5 secs with on the shot clock, so Chandler is inbounding with an almost 5 sec call until he passes it to Kidd in the corner for 3 and............................................... ..............that punk mother"shut yo mouth" hit the damn 3 to up by 5 with 30-something secs left in the 4th.

Bounce Back play: Thats when i come down with Durant and hit a quick pull-up three to narrow it down to 2pts.

Thats when the Mavs give the ball to Dirk again with 20-something secs left on the 3pt line(and it seems he was confused what to do) and basically runs the clock down and tries to toss up a 3(PATCH IS!). So now it's like 5 secs left in the game and this is were i got confused with the inbounder and shooter. I accidentally put Durant the Inbounder and Westbrook the shooter(damnit im stupid). So the ball to Westbrook and jack a 3 and by no surprise i miss it. Good game overall.


I think im a changed man.

[THEone86]

Re: Why So much hate ?

What I'm saying is that in your first post you express how you like the game and most things are "fixable" via sliders, so as a result that makes the game pretty frickin' awesome. Your only gripe (not fixable by sliders) is an actual issue, in your opinion.

What you have to understand is what you like or find reasonable may not be reasonable to someone else, and when compared to last years title, may be worse, or viewed as a step back. If it's fine by you doesn't mean you should disregard or shrink someone else's views on the subject.

Just because you think stuff is fine doesn't make it fine - it just makes it fine for you.

That said, I still agree that in a lot of aspects the game is much better than last years title, but I will not overlook the huuuuuge glaring issues it still has, and they are a lot more than myplayer trade logic. A whole lot more.

Okay, I sorta see where you're going with this and I have a counter statement.

It can't be my opinion alone if it's fact .
Anology time:
If I buy a 5 pack of oranges, and they are all un-peeled, I could be mad for a while that they didn't come peeled , OR I could just peel them myself, or have someone else do it, Thus fixing the problem.

I got the bird cover so I must have got the good version.

I think that a lot of the gripes come from people not being willing to change play styles with the new game. I am not going to look back and try to compare 2k12 with 2k11. Its pointless, 2k11 will always be the best 2k11. 2k12 is a different game. Just play it like its new, because there are so many things to take advantage of.

Online is not that bad any more now that I can actually play D. The iso moves are hard to guard as they should be in the hands of a user. Ive found that everything has a counter. Even 3 point shooting and steals.

There are most definitely problems with this game, but its mostly due to getting so close to a complete sim. Its like having a fast car on the road, but when it gets on the race track it sucks. Its still a video game, with a ton of moving parts. It is the best BBall game ever. I couldnt even think of going back to 2k11.

I love you!


At any rate. It seems that an alarming rate of people either
1. Already loved the game and actually understood and understand it's complexity.
or
2. WERE Haters that switched over after a bit of time to learn such.

My Job has been done, and I am happy.

[Mos1ted]

Re: Why So much hate ?

Okay, I sorta see where you're going with this and I have a counter statement.

It can't be my opinion alone if it's fact .
Anology time:
If I buy a 5 pack of oranges, and they are all un-peeled, I could be mad for a while that they didn't come peeled , OR I could just peel them myself, or have someone else do it, Thus fixing the problem.

I'm sorry, but that was the worst analogy I've ever read LOL.

Why would anyone buy oranges not expecting them to be unpeeled? On the other hand, when you buy a product from a reputable company, having bought previous products from said company and been satisfied, why wouldn't you expect that product to be just as good and not worse than the previous products? As many have touched on already, so far, NBA 2K12 is a step back from 2K11 from a fundamentals standpoint.

[THEone86]

Re: Why So much hate ?

I'm sorry, but that was the worse analogy I've ever read LOL.

But did you understand it?

and I know it was bad. It's 5:00 A.M. LOL.

[Mos1ted]

Re: Why So much hate ?

But did you understand it?

and I know it was bad. It's 5:00 A.M. LOL.

LOL This is true. I got where you were going with it. You just should have used something other than unpeeled oranges LOL.

[Knickerbocker]

Re: Why So much hate ?

LOL This is true. I got where you were going with it. You just should have used something other than unpeeled oranges LOL.

Yep, peanuts would definitely be better.

[kenny123123]

Re: Why So much hate ?

For all the people who traded or gave the game back i find that so crazy and weird, this game is not that bad at all even without a patch, i played worse games in my life that i didnt trade in. i just figure you guys werent really fans in the first place. Even after the patch you guys are gonna find something wrong with the game.

When 2k13 comes you guys are gonna find something wrong with that. i loved 2k11 but i think even with the mistakes 2k12 is better. i dont get you guys sometimes smh.

[mynameisfriday]

Re: Why So much hate ?

I, for one, love this game. Once you tweak the sliders for taste and LEARN HOW TO PLAY PROPERLY, this is an awesome sports game. Example: I played the Grizz against the Celt's. The Truth started off hot from the right elbow, so i subbed in Battier. Cyber Coach Rivers begins to run plays for Ray. Ray got two outside looks so I adjusted accordingly. Once I began to close in, Ray Ray pump faked Mayo and took it to thehoop for an And-1. Beautiful.

Here's my gripe. Online play. What can I say that hasn't alreadybeen said? Long connection time, no lobbies, and more cheese than an episode of Man vs. Food. It aggravated me so bad that I popped in Madden 12. The online play is a jillion times better

[DolfanDave]

Re: Why So much hate ?

Seems like there's no convincing people.

It looks like I got the only GOOD Copy of the game on the planet , or people make it seem that way.

I don't know if I bought a different copy than everyone else, or what... But every problem I had with the game (I'm an offline gamer) Has been fixable with game sliders or settings.

It makes me slam my head against a wall every time I see "2k11 is better than 2k12" Hah. No. Not even close people.

My only gripe about the game is My Player , They have an amazing idea here. The only problem is instead of fixing the stupid A.I. , They just add more and more gimmicks and little features that have nothing to do with the gameplay itself.

But I usually play Association more than anything anyway so... I guess I'll keep going up to bat for this game, but no one seems to see how great it is, and i never understand why.

Maybe It's my Larry Bird Cover.

I am an offline player mostly and I love playing in leagues occasionally but seriously if you don't understand why people that play exclusively or mostly online(ie ranked or online league)think this game is garbage then I am confused as to why you don't understand their frustration. Honestly even as an offline game there is too much tweaking to get the game to play right. Do I mine, no. But most people(their core market) don't fool with sliders just us slider geeks and when they play if it's broke they trade it plain and simple. If you want 2ksports to be around then you must call them out on this otherwise you won't have a game to play because the 'casual' fans drive sales not us. 2k12 gameplay core is better but looking at the WHOLE picture(ie offline and online)it isn't better than 2k11.

[dkrause1971]

Re: Why So much hate ?

I am an offline player mostly and I love playing in leagues occasionally but seriously if you don't understand why people that play exclusively or mostly online(ie ranked or online league)think this game is garbage then I am confused as to why you don't understand their frustration. Honestly even as an offline game there is too much tweaking to get the game to play right. Do I mine, no. But most people(their core market) don't fool with sliders just us slider geeks and when they play if it's broke they trade it plain and simple. If you want 2ksports to be around then you must call them out on this otherwise you won't have a game to play because the 'casual' fans drive sales not us. 2k12 gameplay core is better but looking at the WHOLE picture(ie offline and online)it isn't better than 2k11.

You bring up good points, and i must commend you on bring them up without going over the top with verbage. Online might well be a disaster but most the threads screaming how everything is broken don't state that. They just generalize. I don't play online, but when i come to this forum i would think every single part of this game sucks. Right now i see threads on how the post game, three point shooting, rebounding, difficulty, fastbreaks, my player, trading, and canned comebacks are broken. How the patch cannot save the game and how the DLC should be free. Imagine if i actually went back more than two pages.

I don't agree that the casuals notice most of these issues. Casuals i do agree are more likely to just pick up and play and not mess with sliders as much but i don't agree that they also would pick up on most of the gameplay issues as well. Ignorance is bliss to a certain extent there.

Again, nice to see someone post without being combative. While i disagree on some points you made, i agree with others and the original purpose of these boards is too discuss not push some agenda over and over like i see many do.

[xrobbyh14x]

Re: Why So much hate ?

There are some frustrating things and things should be fixed, but the majority of the people posting haven't seen how far both real basketball and video game ball have come in the past 15 years (yes, I just dated myself; I've played every Live and 2k). There are no excuses for some things, admittedly, but I definitely see way too much complaining.

If everyone hates the game so much, then don't buy it next year. Money talks, and if sales went down, that'd probably trigger some "what did we do wrong here" type of thought from devs.

I personally love the game and, although frustrated by some things, think that it's a ton of fun.

[Celtic1]

Re: Why So much hate ?

Everybody always assumes things and always predicts what he or she thinks. The bottom line is not all of us play the same modes nor care for the modes others play on. I can care less about online or association my main game play is my player mode. This is the only mode that intrigues me to play and I been playing ever one since release day tracking back to 2k10. I'll say hands down 2k12 has more glitches then the past 2 series in THIS mode only. This mode definitely feels rushed and not well thought of. I mean it's been said over and over again there are just way to many glitches and its a huge step back from 2k11. Do I hate the game ? No because I still play it even with all the glitches. Will I continue to play it once I have 99 rated player with no patch? No. Because as mentioned by someone else all the glitches overshadow all the good this game brings to the table. When I see no cpu name PGs doing the up and under moves in the paint with like Hakeem I roll my eyes, when I see again some no name 7 footer drain buzzer beat 3 pointers I get more mad, and when I see just about every player lock down all passing lanes and play lock down defense it pushes me to the max. Do I complain that I lose? No but settling for jump shots and shooting 20+ fts in 5 min qts a game gets boring very fast. I been asking for sliders in my player for a long time and honestly it is the only option that will save this mode because no patch can address this many issues.

[SIZEqueen]

Re: Why So much hate ?

Okay, I sorta see where you're going with this and I have a counter statement.

It can't be my opinion alone if it's fact .
Anology time:
If I buy a 5 pack of oranges, and they are all un-peeled, I could be mad for a while that they didn't come peeled , OR I could just peel them myself, or have someone else do it, Thus fixing the problem.



I love you!


At any rate. It seems that an alarming rate of people either
1. Already loved the game and actually understood and understand it's complexity.
or
2. WERE Haters that switched over after a bit of time to learn such.

My Job has been done, and I am happy.

Yeah, dude, the analogy was about as terrible as terrible gets, but I think I see where you're coming from, and I respect your stance on that.

Bottom line - your opinion isn't fact despite what you may think. 8 million people could support your opinion/theory and that still doesn't make it fact. Majority views don't make things correct. History has proved that time and time again. By subscribing to that theory, you're really showing your age and/or maturity level.

I don't mean any disrespect by that at all, either.

[DJ]

Re: Why So much hate ?

Best sports game I've played yet. I think a lot of the negative reaction is overblown and misplaced anger. Some people are mad because they simply don't understand all of the nuances of the game yet, but that anger will go away with time and especially if guys like Da_Czar keep posting videos disproving the myths out there. The other anger is due to the many AI roster problems plaguing My Player and Association, but I see no reason why this isn't rather easy to patch so it's probably short term as well. The 3PT shooting online and in My Player is the easiest problem to fix and again an overblown concern in the long run.

I'll just wait for the first true patch before sounding off on everything that's wrong with this game.

Good stuff here.

[hoopstar]

Re: Why So much hate ?

I'm with you OP, I see SO much whining and crying about this game, I just don't get it. Like the people claiming the CPU automatically shoots lights out every second and fourth quarter. Huh? I simply have not seen that. I played three straight games against the CPU last night to test and it never happened once.

Mind you, I'm NOT saying this game is perfect. It certainly has some SMALL issues (MyPlayer aside), but it's the best sports game I've ever owned. I'm having a blast.

I'm guess I'm just not smart enough to notice all the bad things - and for that, I'm happy.

its A new year all we can do is just adjust to the game. I don't really have a problem with it I guess because I like to compete so much but that's all we have to do.just keep playing and practice this year real talk.