1-3-1 zone is cheese.

[younggrease]

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

Someone who gets it. It causes a glitch, it is an exploit until fixed.

Really...a glitch?

1-3-1 is more of a trapping zone. More pressure is applied and it makes it harder to pass into the post. IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE. You most get the defense out of position.

But most importantly because of the traps and lack of passing bigs, many times the preferred way to beat this zone is through ball movement, and attacking the short corner. Trying to make direct post passes wont and shouldnt work against a 1-3-1 as you have to create an angle.

[bls]

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

Really...a glitch?

1-3-1 is more of a trapping zone. More pressure is applied and it makes it harder to pass into the post. IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE. You most get the defense out of position.

But most importantly because of the traps and lack of passing bigs, many times the preferred way to beat this zone is through ball movement, and attacking the short corner. Trying to make direct post passes wont and shouldnt work against a 1-3-1 as you have to create an angle.

It is a glitch because your post up guys never post up while the defense is in that zone. Any zone for that matter. They just stand straight up and stand their. And the passing is so slow that if you try to pass it to the corners the opponent will be playing the passing lanes and because you have to through an animation before you pass and then when you finally get the pass out the ball travels slow by that time the defender has recovered and just steals the ball in the passing lane.

In 2k11 this wasn't an issue for zone defenses.

[DukeC]

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

You have to be at the right angle to pass the ball down low against zone. Even if the big man doesnt post up against the zone you can still sneak passes downlow and post him yourself either using post spin or the post drive. If they bring the double or triple team, then obviously you have to kick out to the wide open shooter. I dont doubt people's frustrations, but eliminating your opponents post/paint game and forcing him to shoot outside is a legit tatic.

I don't deny that you have to create an angle to pass.

However, the point I'm trying to make is that trying to create an angle to pass DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE YOUR POST PLAYER STANDS THERE AND WATCHES THE BALL. Hence the use of the word glitch. Never, ever should should someone stand there, watch the ball, and never try to catch it.

I know they stand there, because I went down and tried to pass it 5 straight times at different angles. It didn't matter, as my post player just stood there and watched the ball get stolen. There was literally no effort. They didn't move an INCH.

[younggrease]

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

It is a glitch because your post up guys never post up while the defense is in that zone. Any zone for that matter. They just stand straight up and stand their. And the passing is so slow that if you try to pass it to the corners the opponent will be playing the passing lanes and because you have to through an animation before you pass and then when you finally get the pass out the ball travels slow by that time the defender has recovered and just steals the ball in the passing lane.

In 2k11 this wasn't an issue for zone defenses.

so you can't pass to a guy standing str8 up in the post.

why not dribble penetrate, suck the zone in and make penetrating passes. Some of the finishing passes will actually be in the low post. If you wanna run through the post why not pass to a guy "standing str8 up" then post.

there are so many ways to beat this zone and people are really gonna say cheese. Come on be real...I say it all the time, the more real a bball game gets the more unsim people here will call it.

way to much crying imo.

[DukeC]

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

so you can't pass to a guy standing str8 up in the post.

why not dribble penetrate, suck the zone in and make penetrating passes. Some of the finishing passes will actually be in the low post. If you wanna run through the post why not pass to a guy "standing str8 up" then post.

there are so many ways to beat this zone and people are really gonna say cheese. Come on be real...I say it all the time, the more real a bball game gets the more unsim people here will call it.

way to much crying imo.

Okay...I get the feeling you are deliberatly seeing what you want to see.

We've been saying for the past couple of posts that your player that is "standing str8 up" is not reacting to the ball. If your player isn't reacting to the ball who is? Oh, that's right, the defender. What does the defender do with the ball? Oh,they steal it.

The point is, you can't pass it to the player standing straight up because they don't react to the ball. I can understand not being able to post up (as the defenders can simply avoid contact). What makes the 1-3-1 (or any zone for that matter) broken is the fact that it makes whoever you are trying to post up not react to the ball. Resulting in cheap turnovers.

Yes, there are work arounds. But the way they implemented how the turnovers happen (by literally making your post player nonexistant) is not the way to go. THAT, is what we are trying to say. That quality makes it unsim as the turnovers aren't happening by the computer logically playing the passing lanes. The game literally forces your player to not react to the ball. Hence the word, "glitch".

[younggrease]

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

Okay...I get the feeling you are deliberatly seeing what you want to see.

We've been saying for the past couple of posts that your player that is "standing str8 up" is not reacting to the ball. If your player isn't reacting to the ball who is? Oh, that's right, the defender. What does the defender do with the ball? Oh,they steal it.

The point is, you can't pass it to the player standing straight up because they don't react to the ball. I can understand not being able to post up (as the defenders can simply avoid contact). What makes the 1-3-1 (or any zone for that matter) broken is the fact that it makes whoever you are trying to post up not react to the ball. Resulting in cheap turnovers.

Yes, there are work arounds. But the way they implemented how the turnovers happen (by literally making your post player nonexistant) is not the way to go. THAT, is what we are trying to say. That quality makes it unsim as the turnovers aren't happening by the computer logically playing the passing lanes. The game literally forces your player to not react to the ball. Hence the word, "glitch".

I'm able to make these passes. I played against a 76ers user who constantly used that zone and killed them with Duncan. If you want me to show that it works I'll play you a quarter and do so.

again, way to crying. Not enough constructive input. Op claimed cheese, but in his post he evidenced he doesn't know-how to break 1-3-1 zone. Seems to happening a lot. Everything is not cheese.

[Sundown]

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

so you can't pass to a guy standing str8 up in the post.

Come on be real...I say it all the time, the more real a bball game gets the more unsim people here will call it.

A post player not reacting to passes to him is not sim.

[younggrease]

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

A post player not reacting to passes to him is not sim.

again, I don't agree with the premise. My big men react just fine against zone. The same way I don't get beat by 3s and my passes are not always stolen. Also, the same way I can run a fast break.

I'm not saying I'm great. Just that the complaining is overboard.

[videobastard]

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

The problem with 2k's zone defenses in general is it does not relate to real life pluses and minuses effectively. The negative effects for using a zone defense are not displayed well in this game because of the hampered passing system.

The positives are far more rewarding with the people that know what they are doing with these zone defenses. The defenders can actually recover pretty well to open shooters because of the flawed passing system.

[TheVinylHippo]

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

2-3 zone is cheese

3-2 zone is cheese

man-to-man is cheese

defense is cheese

[ManiacMatt1782]

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

You have to be at the right angle to pass the ball down low against zone. Even if the big man doesnt post up against the zone you can still sneak passes downlow and post him yourself either using post spin or the post drive. If they bring the double or triple team, then obviously you have to kick out to the wide open shooter. I dont doubt people's frustrations, but eliminating your opponents post/paint game and forcing him to shoot outside is a legit tatic.

But 1-3-1 isn't supposed to do this, its supposed to stop midrange, and the high post. NOT the low post.

[ManiacMatt1782]

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

The problem with the the angle, not that the player doesn't post, the big men just get lost and do not know what to do. They sit staring into space not even looking for a pass.

[NINJAK2]

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

It is a glitch because your post up guys never post up while the defense is in that zone. Any zone for that matter. They just stand straight up and stand their. And the passing is so slow that if you try to pass it to the corners the opponent will be playing the passing lanes and because you have to through an animation before you pass and then when you finally get the pass out the ball travels slow by that time the defender has recovered and just steals the ball in the passing lane.

In 2k11 this wasn't an issue for zone defenses.

Disagree with the bold bls. 1-3-1 zones were just as effective in 2k11 as you claim they are in 2k12 for the exact same reasons you mentioned. I played people online in 2k11 who made the 1-3-1 zone appear like they had 8 guys out there on the court. The reaction of the defensive players coupled with the floaty passing can make that defense way more effective than it ever should be in the real NBA.

[bls]

Disagree with the bold bls. 1-3-1 zones were just as effective in 2k11 as you claim they are in 2k12 for the exact same reasons you mentioned. I played people online in 2k11 who made the 1-3-1 zone appear like they had 8 guys out there on the court. The reaction of the defensive players coupled with the floaty passing can make that defense way more effective than it ever should be in the real NBA.

It was better for me in 2k12 because the passing was faster. In this years game players recover to the open shooter because of the pass animation and slow passing. In 2k11 it was just the pass animations, the pass speed was fine.


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[P Shirls]

Re: 1-3-1 zone is cheese.

Zone defense is the all time off ball defender go to move realistically...ive always had my gripes with off ball defense....the reality of it is, off ball defense is soft....if u play it, you didnt earn your win...unless dude is a serious cheeser and dumps it in the paint all day with an unstoppable player, theres really no excuse to play off ball defense other than just being scared...

I agree to an extent with the OP...this years slow passing coupled with the zone defenses this year kinda cheapens the game a bit....if EVERYBODY played on ball defense all game, every game would be an even playing field...every team is beatable in this game if you have the skills...if you dont then practice ...

but people chicken out and let the cpu defense guard their opponent knowing that the cpu defense reacts to the offense more precise than the user...nothing more soft than a player who clearly sees their opponent playing onball D and giving up buckets cause of human error while they let their cpu guard FOR them and just mash the steal button with a Zone defense with the prevalence of slow passing this year...smh...majority of cats online play like this and are soft if we being all the way techincal...