This game is simply button smashing ******ation...

[ManiacMatt1782]

Re: This game is simply button smashing ******ation...

Might wanna delete that post.

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It's a shame, because he has a valid point, but everyone is gonna dismiss him now and he'll get an infraction for that post. Even though he was goaded into it by a guy trolling to defend bad basketball. He still has to know better. The response was made by someone who doesn't understand basketball, or someone baiting him. I think it was bait and he took it.

Actually its the post after that responds to the bait, he went off on that dude unfairly, he should have simply said, that's not an acceptable answer, users should be punished for bad basketball, not avoid games because of broken mechanics. And that's right. Why should bad play be rewarded. Guys being pulled out of position and leaving great looks or wide open looks because of a bad play should be punished, but too many times defense is bailed out of bad doubles or wild steal attempts. Maybe when horrid defense is played, if the offense finds an open look, it should drop almost every time as long as its within that shooters range. Punish the bad defense so they have to play you more honestly and aren't bailed out by mid range shooters missing wide open looks despite an 80+ rating. Let them get blown out by 60 and learn how to play, instead of the game artificially keeping them in it.

[Mos1ted]

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lol so they tried to appease you guys complaining and you're saying they made it worse? Everytime I come to this forum I think of the three bears and the my porridge is too hot, my porridge is too cold, etc. I am a 360 user btw so guess I'll see Tuesday but doubting my expectations are where yours are. When I've played someone online that's really knowledgeable about the game I've gotten beaten.

While I do think 2K could tweak things some to punish people more that constantly hack, they do seem to make up the majority of players online. The argument could be made that you need to adjust more to them, than they need to adjust to you. 2K12 is easily the deepest basketball game to date imo; players do have a lot at their disposal. But I think the people that really know/use the playbooks, really know/use isomotion, etc. are in the minority.

Let me ask you this: If your online opponent leaves your best shooter open, and you try to pass the ball quickly to that player only for the ball to float, allowing your the defense to recover, how is that the user's fault and not the game's?

This happens frequently now. Like I said in another post, user input to action on screen is delayed. So, why the mind sees the window of opportunity open to take advantage of an opponent's mistake, that window closes without the user able to go through it because of the control lag.

Your praising of 2K being the deepest game out is correct -- offline (minus the few fundamental flaws). Online, however, as of this patch, is a different story, which is the point of this thread in the first place. In my opinion, Xbox 360 owners shouldn't really be commenting in this thread unless it's to ask a question. After you get the patch, then you can share if what you're saying is the same or different than what us PS3 owners are seeing. You can't invalidate our opinions without playing what we're playing first.

[Pared]

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You do realize that would require avoiding quick games altogether

Then you get the point.

You can't stop people from playing a certain way. Complain all you want about "unrealistic basketball tactics." YOU have the ability to grow your friends list of people with the game and play them.

I would ask if any of you complaining ever went to a real court and decided to not play someone because of how they play? You know - the guy who has long nails or the guy that throws dirty elbows. Do you go into the game ready to complain or do you go find suitable competition?

Judging from some of your stances you'd rather complain than take matters into your own hands with what you've been given.

[Mos1ted]

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Then you get the point.

You can't stop people from playing a certain way. Complain all you want about "unrealistic basketball tactics." YOU have the ability to grow your friends list of people with the game and play them.

I would ask if any of you complaining ever went to a real court and decided to not play someone because of how they play? You know - the guy who has long nails or the guy that throws dirty elbows. Do you go into the game ready to complain or do you go find suitable competition?

Judging from some of your stances you'd rather complain than take matters into your own hands with what you've been given.

That's an illogical response because growing my friend's list would require coordinating games with said friends. If it's 1 PM in the afternoon, but I have to be somewhere at 2 PM, leaving just enough time to get a quick game in, why would I go through the trouble of coordinating a game? That would take too much time. And what am I going to do if no one is online at that time? At least with a quick game against a random, I'm guaranteed to find an opponent at that precise time, even if he is a basketball dimwit.

And when playing basketball in real life, guess what? I'm in control of what I do. If I want to shoot the ball, I can. I don't have to wait 2 seconds for my brain to relay the message to my hands. Also, there won't be any players trying to hack me to death for the steal. I can easily call a foul or pass it to an open teammate the second I tell my hands to do so.

I also have 4 other capable-minded guys on my teammate who will usually do what I expect them to do. And guys who play dirty will usually get kicked out if we're playing in gym or beat down if we're playing outside somewhere LOL.

[Pared]

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Illogical? You do realize that this is a video game... you are playing... in real life?

You have complete control of what you do. If you want to play a COMPLETELY RANDOM PERSON in this world because you are pressed for time, you run the risk of being paired up with someone that will play in a way that is very displeasurable to your gaming experience.

I but to me, ignoring that fact is illogical. Again - complain away instead of recognizing you are in complete control of this fact.

And if you're unhappy with "input lag" you should probably stop playing online altogether.

[Mos1ted]

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Illogical? You do realize that this is a video game... you are playing... in real life?

You have complete control of what you do. If you want to play a COMPLETELY RANDOM PERSON in this world because you are pressed for time, you run the risk of being paired up with someone that will play in a way that is very displeasurable to your gaming experience.

I but to me, ignoring that fact is illogical. Again - complain away instead of recognizing you are in complete control of this fact.

And if you're unhappy with "input lag" you should probably stop playing online altogether.

That's the solution! If I hate traffic, I should walk everywhere instead of driving! I only have to leave 3 hours earlier to get to my destination, but at least I don't have to sit in traffic, right?

Have you even played with the 1.03 patch online yet? If not, then how can you even address the complaints that we're having? All we want is for the game mechanics to work the same way online as they do offline. Now, we understand that this will change depending on the network connection, but that's usually coupled with framerate lag as well. That's not the case right now. The framerate online is just as smooth as offline. Unfortunately, controlling your players doesn't feel like it.

[Pared]

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That's the solution! If I hate traffic, I should walk everywhere instead of driving! I only have to leave 3 hours earlier to get to my destination, but at least I don't have to sit in traffic, right?

Or - you sit in traffic and deal with it. You can always fly? That's actually a funny example - what is your solution to beat traffic? Lash out at those all around you? That's pretty close to the definition of road rage... maybe we can coin your posts "multiplayer rage" or something more catchy.

The concept we're discussing has nothing to do with a patch. You want to play some random person in the world then complain about how they play? Who is at fault here?

(Well, we already know the answer b/c some of you sound like broken records - "2k b/c they encourage unrealistic play and reward these n008s!!")

[ecworldwide]

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I AGREE WITH PARED'S STATEMENT. I DON'T POST OR COMPLAIN ABOUT CHEESERS BECAUSE I DON'T PLAY THEM. I JUST PLAY THE CPU OR PLAY ME SIM FRIENDS ON OS. IF YOU ARE PLAYING AN 14 YEAR OLD KID HOW CAN YOU EXPECT THE KID TO KNOW ABOUT BEING SIM AND NOT USING EXPLOITS IN THE GAME. MY QUESTION IS AT 14 WERE YOU SIM?

[Mos1ted]

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Or - you sit in traffic and deal with it. You can always fly? That's actually a funny example - what is your solution to beat traffic? Lash out at those all around you? That's pretty close to the definition of road rage... maybe we can coin your posts "multiplayer rage" or something more catchy.

The concept we're discussing has nothing to do with a patch. You want to play some random person in the world then complain about how they play? Who is at fault here?

(Well, we already know the answer b/c some of you sound like broken records - "2k b/c they encourage unrealistic play and reward these n008s!!")

Since you failed to understand my traffic analogy, let me try a different one:

Let's say you were boxing a 12-year old girl, right? Now you know you have every advantage over her: you're bigger, you're stronger, you're faster, you're smarter. You know how to uppercut and when to do so. You know how to bob and weave and block.

The girl, on the other hand, can only jab. She doesn't know how to do anything else. And she headbutts you repeatedly, but the referee doesn't call her for the infraction.

Meanwhile, you're trying to punch her, but your arm isn't responding. And when it does, she usually is out of the way by that point. She keeps hitting you with that jab, and you can't stop her.

Next thing you know, you're on the mat out for the count.

That pretty much sums up NBA 2K12 online after the patch.


Yes, they improved defensive rotations, but now defenders are able to move faster than the ball to get into position. Offline, this isn't much a problem against the CPU because they are able to execute instantaneously to find the open man. Online, you can't do that because of the passing delay and floaty passes. So even if you do try to swing the ball to the open man, your online opponent's CPU teammates rotate for him. He doesn't even have to play defense. Or worse yet, he can continue to try to spam steal with no risk and all reward.

And if you're able to work the ball to an open shooter, the control lag throws off your shot timing.

That's why you have many of us that are so frustrated with the online component of the game. Yes, quick games are faster to connect to, and I haven't had a game drop yet, but what good are those improvements if the actual online gameplay is actually worse as a result of changes that were designed mostly for offline?

[Mos1ted]

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I AGREE WITH PARED'S STATEMENT. I DON'T POST OR COMPLAIN ABOUT CHEESERS BECAUSE I DON'T PLAY THEM. I JUST PLAY THE CPU OR PLAY ME SIM FRIENDS ON OS. IF YOU ARE PLAYING AN 14 YEAR OLD KID HOW CAN YOU EXPECT THE KID TO KNOW ABOUT BEING SIM AND NOT USING EXPLOITS IN THE GAME. MY QUESTION IS AT 14 WERE YOU SIM?

The OP is complaining about the way they play. I'm complaining because the way they play is effective now. It wasn't so much at launch. I can't control how a person chooses to play, so I'm not complaining about that necessarily (although it does bother me).

Basketball is suppose to be a game about matchups and outsmarting your opponent, taking advantage of your team's strengths to try for the victory. NBA 2K12 online is void of any semblance of that. This patch has caused the game to pretty much harken back to the 2K9/2K10 days where players just tried to dominate the whole game with a Kobe, a Lebron, or a Durant. And you can't stop them. It's not that they're getting to the rim at will. It's that the midrange shot is now the 3 point shot pre-patch. Yes, 3 pointers are toned down significantly, but now contested midrange jumpers are easy to make with a superstar player. Basically, who ever has the more athletic team has the advantage now. Stick skill and basketball IQ need not apply.

[THEone86]

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The kind of behavior that is rewarded in nba 2k12 is beyond sad. Run at the ball handler and slap when you get blown by take the next man run at the ball handler and slap. If you get blown by dont worry because there is an exellent chance the man waiting will block the shot from anywhere. This is a viable defensive strategy due to sooo many factors its unreal.

1. steal success rate
2. unresponsive controls that make passing as dangerous as walking in a mine field.
3. defenders flying in at warp speed to stop any layups or dunks

This is just one of dozens of play styles that should get you beat so bad you quit by halftime but instead its rewarded by a game that is simply awful on many levels

1. Turn it down, the sliders are there for a reason, and if you're playing online? Don't play online. lol.
2. They're responsive, the game just makes the consequences of trying to throw a bad pass even worse, throw good, clean crisp passes where both players are looking and ready for the pass, and it won't be delayed, it's only delayed if it's a bad pass angle and so forth.
3. Help D. Kick and shoot the mid range til they respect it.

[Sam Marlowe]

Re: This game is simply button smashing ******ation...

This thread is discussing the online experience

[Sam Marlowe]

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Most1ted, I think most people with your issues with the game online. The problem is that constantly complaining about the problem isnt going to solve a thing (unless ur just looking for a place to vent). The devs know about these issues. Do you think they want input lag ect? Of course not. And yet the problems are still there. What does that mean? A. They dont care and arent working on them. B. They havent come up with a viable solution yet. Im going with B. They are fully aware of their issues online and they are also aware the EA is coming back on the scene next year and even though they have a track record of inferior bball gamplay the online compenent of their games is the industry standard in sports gaming. I highly doubt 2k devs are just sitting back drinking orange soda and laughing about this. They know what the deal is and dont have a fix yet. No amount of complaining is going to help at this point. We're already past that stage.

[Sam Marlowe]

Re: This game is simply button smashing ******ation...

*agree with your issues

[Mos1ted]

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Most1ted, I think most people with your issues with the game online. The problem is that constantly complaining about the problem isnt going to solve a thing (unless ur just looking for a place to vent). The devs know about these issues. Do you think they want input lag ect? Of course not. And yet the problems are still there. What does that mean? A. They dont care and arent working on them. B. They havent come up with a viable solution yet. Im going with B. They are fully aware of their issues online and they are also aware the EA is coming back on the scene next year and even though they have a track record of inferior bball gamplay the online compenent of their games is the industry standard in sports gaming. I highly doubt 2k devs are just sitting back drinking orange soda and laughing about this. They know what the deal is and dont have a fix yet. No amount of complaining is going to help at this point. We're already past that stage.

True, my complaints are focused on online, but they're centered more about the online changes with the 1.03 patch. The control lag wasn't nearly as bad as it was before the patch. I'm assuming you're a 360 user, so when you guys get the patch, please play a few games online so you'll have a better idea of what we're referring to.

Whatever they did to fix connectivity issues caused more issues of its own.