Jeremy Lin

[JaySmooov]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Oh and you do by putting your opinion about a player then get mad when someone criticizes it.
All the rating is subjective, shooting is the only thing you can really rate correctly.

Even 2K has some of his skills overrated; Off hand dribbling 84 come on, when he goes left he turns the ball over at a much higher rate.

From my perspective, your not really contributing to the discussion, more like whining about people NOT agreeing with you.

From what I've seen, guys are discussing an appropriate rating for him, and you're just judging other's ratings without sharing your own. That's why your not adding to the discussion; all you've generally said was what you do and don't like. And to add to that, you automatically assumed how other people rated him in certain areas, and didn't even justify why those rating should be lower in the first place.

[bedwardsroy19]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Oh and you do by putting your opinion about a player then get mad when someone criticizes it.
All the rating is subjective, shooting is the only thing you can really rate correctly.

Even 2K has some of his skills overrated; Off hand dribbling 84 come on, when he goes left he turns the ball over at a much higher rate.

Im not mad and never was mad.

And yes I do add something to the discussion by giving actual ratings. Your comment didn't offer any value at all. You said anybody who rates him a 75 or 76 is crazy.

And there are some ratings that are more subjective than others but many more can be objective besides shooting. Inside shot is one of the objective ratings that you have wrong if you say the inside shot ratings that have been suggested are too high.

Lets see your ratings.

[keshunleon]

Re: Jeremy Lin

From my perspective, your not really contributing to the discussion, more like whining about people NOT agreeing with you.

From what I've seen, guys are discussing an appropriate rating for him, and you're just judging other's ratings without sharing your own. That's why your not adding to the discussion; all you've generally said was what you do and don't like. And to add to that, you automatically assumed how other people rated him in certain areas, and didn't even justify why those rating should be lower in the first place.

First of all I did give my opinion on his rating, and I am whining all I did was stat the facts.

But since you want contributions here it is so you can get off my back

These are my Lin's (opinion) ratings:

Overall 72
SI 80
SC 85
SM 79
S3 66
FT 77
LAYUP 84
DUNK 50
SIT 65
OHD 70
BS 80
PASS 84
BLK 32
STEAL 77
HANDS 78
OBD 70
Off R 38
Def R 46
Def LP 35
Off A 85
Def A 70
Off Clutch 40
Def Clutch 35
CONSISTENCY 60
STAMINA 94
SPEED 83
QUICK 87
STRENGTH 50
VERT 65
HUSTLE 75
DURABILITY 80
POTENTIAL 75
EMOTION 70

Satisfied?

[MrPolo7]

Re: Jeremy Lin

In the interest of determining what a "good" rating would be for Lin's Inside/Close shooting, what is the difference between the two? I've never been able to figure out what each determines....anyways...I'd put his ball security at 75-78, and his off hand dribbling at between 74-78

[slimm44]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Nice! Let me know how it goes

I watched two CPU games last night between the Knicks and Wolves on All Star.

Game 1

Anthony 32PTS, 7REB, 3AST
Stoudemire 29PTS, 6REB, 3AST
Chandler 10PTS, 10REB
Lin 10PTS, 1REB, 9AST

Beasley 35PTS, 2REB, 1AST
Love 20PTS, 10REB
Rubio 8PTS, 3REB, 10AST

Game 2

Anthony 39Min, 31PTS, 9REB, 5AST
Stoudemire 28Min, 15PTS, 5REB, 2AST (Foul Trouble)
Smith 12Min, 13PTS, 1REB
Shumpert (SF) 17MIN, 11PTS, 1REB, 4AST, 1STL
Lin 38MIN, 10PTS, 5REB, 5AST
Fields 36MIN, 8PTS, 4REB, 3AST
Chandler 35MIN, 4PTS, 10REB, 1BLK

Love 38MIN, 19PTS, 15REB, 1AST, 2BLK
Rubio 30MIN, 17PTS, 3REB, 2AST
Beasley (Bench) 20MIN, 12PTS, 1REB, 1AST
Ridnour (Starting SG) 32MIN, 12PTS, 4REB, 4AST
Barea 25MIN, 10PTS, 4REB, 5AST
Pekovic (Ratings Adjusted, Starting C) 30MIN, 7PTS, 13REB, 3AST, 3BLK

[slimm44]

Re: Jeremy Lin

In the interest of determining what a "good" rating would be for Lin's Inside/Close shooting, what is the difference between the two? I've never been able to figure out what each determines....anyways...I'd put his ball security at 75-78, and his off hand dribbling at between 74-78

Inside Rating is the equivalent of at-the-rim shots
Close Rating is the equivalent of 3-15 ft shots

If you go into the shootaround drill (whatever it's called) you can see the zones the game assigns to each shot location.

The rating range for Inside Shot is 60-99 and the % scale that 2k uses in the sim engine is 40-60. Hence, a person who hits 40% of their at-the-rim shots would get a 60 rating and a player who hits 60% of those shots would get a 99.

The rating range for Close Shot is 50-99 and the % scale that 2k uses in the sim engine is 20-60. Hence, a person who hits 20% of their close shots would get a 50 rating and a player who hits 60% of their close shots would get a 99 rating.

Shoot in Traffic does not affect sim-stats.

[Fly3]

Re: Jeremy Lin

In the interest of determining what a "good" rating would be for Lin's Inside/Close shooting, what is the difference between the two? I've never been able to figure out what each determines....anyways...I'd put his ball security at 75-78, and his off hand dribbling at between 74-78

Inside shots are directly under the basket or right at the rim.

Close shots are floaters, hooks, or any jumpshots from 3-9 feet away from the rim. Maybe 3-15?

[bedwardsroy19]

Re: Jeremy Lin

First of all I did give my opinion on his rating, and I am whining all I did was stat the facts.

But since you want contributions here it is so you can get off my back

These are my Lin's (opinion) ratings:

Overall 72
SI 80
SC 85
SM 79
S3 66
FT 77
LAYUP 84
DUNK 50
SIT 65
OHD 70
BS 80
PASS 84
BLK 32
STEAL 77
HANDS 78
OBD 70
Off R 38
Def R 46
Def LP 35
Off A 85
Def A 70
Off Clutch 40
Def Clutch 35
CONSISTENCY 60
STAMINA 94
SPEED 83
QUICK 87
STRENGTH 50
VERT 65
HUSTLE 75
DURABILITY 80
POTENTIAL 75
EMOTION 70

Satisfied?

Our ratings are VERY similar lol.

I must have his abilities a little higher and thats why the overall is affected by 3-4 points.

To say mine are crazy though might have been an exaggeration.

[bedwardsroy19]

Re: Jeremy Lin

I watched two CPU games last night between the Knicks and Wolves on All Star.

Game 1

Anthony 32PTS, 7REB, 3AST
Stoudemire 29PTS, 6REB, 3AST
Chandler 10PTS, 10REB
Lin 10PTS, 1REB, 9AST

Beasley 35PTS, 2REB, 1AST
Love 20PTS, 10REB
Rubio 8PTS, 3REB, 10AST

Game 2

Anthony 39Min, 31PTS, 9REB, 5AST
Stoudemire 28Min, 15PTS, 5REB, 2AST (Foul Trouble)
Smith 12Min, 13PTS, 1REB
Shumpert (SF) 17MIN, 11PTS, 1REB, 4AST, 1STL
Lin 38MIN, 10PTS, 5REB, 5AST
Fields 36MIN, 8PTS, 4REB, 3AST
Chandler 35MIN, 4PTS, 10REB, 1BLK

Love 38MIN, 19PTS, 15REB, 1AST, 2BLK
Rubio 30MIN, 17PTS, 3REB, 2AST
Beasley (Bench) 20MIN, 12PTS, 1REB, 1AST
Ridnour (Starting SG) 32MIN, 12PTS, 4REB, 4AST
Barea 25MIN, 10PTS, 4REB, 5AST
Pekovic (Ratings Adjusted, Starting C) 30MIN, 7PTS, 13REB, 3AST, 3BLK

Looks pretty solid. Those are the kinds of games I would expect from him when the dust settles, maybe a little higher scoring, but I know first hand how tough it is to get perfect results from a CPU vs CPU sim

[qpc123]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Inside Rating is the equivalent of at-the-rim shots
Close Rating is the equivalent of 3-15 ft shots

If you go into the shootaround drill (whatever it's called) you can see the zones the game assigns to each shot location.

The rating range for Inside Shot is 60-99 and the % scale that 2k uses in the sim engine is 40-60. Hence, a person who hits 40% of their at-the-rim shots would get a 60 rating and a player who hits 60% of those shots would get a 99.

The rating range for Close Shot is 50-99 and the % scale that 2k uses in the sim engine is 20-60. Hence, a person who hits 20% of their close shots would get a 50 rating and a player who hits 60% of their close shots would get a 99 rating.

Shoot in Traffic does not affect sim-stats.

This is where the flaws in 2k's methodology are really exposed. Using the Knicks as an example, 9 players shoot above 60% at the rim(hoopdata's stats), but since 2k caps it around 60% you'll never get the correct sim stats for guys who shoot 70 or 80% from that range. The top range for Inside shot should be 80 not 60.

Lin is currently shooting 54% at the rim, so if you want to, you convert that to a 2k rating to see what his Inside shot rating should be.

[MrPolo7]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Inside Rating is the equivalent of at-the-rim shots
Close Rating is the equivalent of 3-15 ft shots

If you go into the shootaround drill (whatever it's called) you can see the zones the game assigns to each shot location.

The rating range for Inside Shot is 60-99 and the % scale that 2k uses in the sim engine is 40-60. Hence, a person who hits 40% of their at-the-rim shots would get a 60 rating and a player who hits 60% of those shots would get a 99.

The rating range for Close Shot is 50-99 and the % scale that 2k uses in the sim engine is 20-60. Hence, a person who hits 20% of their close shots would get a 50 rating and a player who hits 60% of their close shots would get a 99 rating.

Shoot in Traffic does not affect sim-stats.

Very helpful thank you

[slimm44]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Looks pretty solid. Those are the kinds of games I would expect from him when the dust settles, maybe a little higher scoring, but I know first hand how tough it is to get perfect results from a CPU vs CPU sim

With Melo's touches roughly the same as Lin's, there's a lot more ISO's being ran than PNR's. I'll probably run a few more CPU games to see how it turns out. I may need to add PNR Roll Man to Melo's assigned plays if there is any room left.

QPC123 This is where the flaws in 2k's methodology are really exposed. Using the Knicks as an example, 9 players shoot above 60% at the rim(hoopdata's stats), but since 2k caps it around 60% you'll never get the correct sim stats for guys who shoot 70 or 80% from that range. The top range for Inside shot should be 80 not 60.

Lin is currently shooting 54% at the rim, so if you want to, you convert that to a 2k rating to see what his Inside shot rating should be.

The scale they used for both Inside Shot and Block rating are the only things that frustrate me about the sim-engine. If they fixed those things, it would be spot on.

Not to be argumentative, but the scale should be from 45-75%. Over the last 5 years, no player has hit 80% of their shots at the rim.

[ballsohard]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Shot Inside- 84
Shot Close- 78
Shot Medium- 72
Shot 3PT- 66
Layup- 86
Shot in Traffic- 75
Off Hand- 78
Ball Security- 77
Pass- 80
Steal- 78
Hands- 78
On Ball D- 71
Off Awareness- 80
Def Awarenes- 65
Off Clutch- 60
Consistency- 75
Speed- 80
Quickness- 90
Strength- 40
Hustle- 83
Potential- 70

[bedwardsroy19]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Quick questions, where do you have Rubio and Kyrie Irving at in terms of offensive awareness? What are your hustle ratings for Landry Fields and Iman Shumpert. Sorry, I know this is a little OT, but I feel this is still the best place to ask.

Sorry man I just saw this... I know off the top of my head Rubio was an 87 for O-Awareness but I will look at the others right now and come back and edit this post.

Kyrie Irving: OA- 84 OVR- 79
Ricky Rubio: OA-87 OVR- 76
Jeremy Lin: OA- 85 OVR- 76

Landry Fields: 86
Iman Shumpert: 79
Jeremy Lin: Hustle 90

(Hustle attributes had not been updated since the original opening day update though, besides Lin. Posting these made it obvious I need to re-examine some of those ratings)

I know the OS's may seem high, but personally I have found better gameplay/graphics with awarenesses scaled a little higher. Maybe its a placebo affect, but like I said before, as long as everyone is scaled a certain way it evens out.

[qpc123]

Re: Jeremy Lin

Not to be argumentative, but the scale should be from 45-75%. Over the last 5 years, no player has hit 80% of their shots at the rim.

Good point, but shouldn't that scale incorporate all possibilities? Especially in a game that features 'Legends', I'd venture to say Wilt could have easily shot 80% 'at the rim'. Just because it hasn't happened in the last 5 years, doesn't mean it's impossible for someone to shoot 80% from 'at the rim' range.

23 players are currently shooting over 75% at the rim and 14 of those players are 80% or higher. Granted it's a fairly small sample size and some of the players have few games played (for example J.R. Smith is shooting 85.7% but only has 4 games played), but I still don't feel like the possibility of someone shooting 80% at the rim should be excluded.

I'm guessing your 'no one in last 5 years' is based off a certain number of games played, because 23 players shot 80% or higher 'at the rim' last season(hoopdata stats). Most of those players had fewer than 20 games played(a lot in single digits), but Pietrus hit 84.6% in 38 games(close to half a normal regular season) and Durant shot 77.2% in 78 games played. That's my reasoning behind 80 behind the top end. Of course if they had a correct scale the masses would throw a fit since no-one would be a 99.