Eye Candy or Gameplay?

[TheKasmar]

Re: Eye Candy or Gameplay?

Given how many gameplay changes occur from year to year, I think 2k did a monumental amount of work. Some of those changes are for the better because we asked for them. I cant imagine how hard it must be to try and please online and offline gamers alike. I'm mostly an online gamer and when I can get a game I've had a good time playing.

[DaggerSwagger]

Re: Eye Candy or Gameplay?

From all the reviews I've read about this game it seems like its getting crazy love because of all the Eye Candy. All the stuff to look at... Lots and lots of stuff, throwbacks, menu, pre and post game and they say wow... But me, I'll trade in all that Eye Candy to be able to make a bounce pass, make a layup, block or prevent a 3 point shot, take a charge, rebound, play my Crew with my Crew, play online and oh make a layup. All the eye candy in the world don't mean s**t if you undress the chick and she's got the body of a 90 year old woman.

lol well said my friend

[TheGoodguyz]

Re: Eye Candy or Gameplay?

Eye candy?I think they actually took a step backwards in terms of graphics and player models

[theenemy]

Re: Eye Candy or Gameplay?

While I agree with you mostly on fundamental gameplay issues, Mos1ted, I don't think 2k over focused on presentation over gameplay. In fact most of our problems this year is because they tried to change or add gameplay mechanics for the better, but they weren't fully tested with the big picture in mind. The whole revamped post play and attempt at live ball fixes and the massive extension of plays that really only appeal to hardcore simmers is proof of that. Even the 3 point problem and delayed lead passing that some hate are proof of that. 2k actually took a step backwards in some presentation areas, like getting rid of sweat reflections. Also if they were slaves to presentation, all the team colors would be right and we would never have lost 2k10's walk dribble animations.

If we just got 2k11 with improved graphics, the game would play better out of the box. The issue seems to be something with their development schedule and testing, and how they evaluate whether their changes are actually playing like a sim online and off. That's why 2k games have eventually played much better after the last patch. Also, they need to upgrade whatever their "Insider" process is. If he's a single person, be doesn't understand basketball quite as much as plenty of 2k players do. If he's just a pseudonym for the gameplay team, they need to change up how they do things.

2k has implemented depth and nuance this year beyond what most of us asked for. They just need to fix the many new holes they've made. I think a real public beta, both offline and on, would really help. In the end, it's a process thing not a misplaced focus thing-- especially when most of the art and gameplay people can't do
the other's job.

Also I hardly think madden focuses on presentation. It still has huge gaps visually. It's been seven years since I've seriously looked at the game and I'm still hard pressed to see the improvements. Players still slide around and it still doesn't look like tv football. As I understand it, madden simply focuses on gimmick game modes and minor updates. What's funny is this is how games tend to look when they cater to those who want absolute control and favor "gameplay". They neither play or look like the real thing.

One thing I have to commend 2k on that's almost flawless presentation wise. The play by play commentary this year. That team is pushing limits and executing every year. Madden still sounds terrible today. We have five, count them, FIVE, real life NBA personalities as part of the commentary team, all of them with significant numbers of lines, and that's before we count David Stern and Adam Silver-- the DEPUTY commissioner that no one even really knows about. Madden can't even get one or two people to sound like they're watching a real game or even a video game.

excellent post (felt like "like the post" button won't cut it).

[Sasquash]

Re: Eye Candy or Gameplay?

[quote=Mos1ted;2043063511] Obviously, something has changed and it's not my "stick skills."

• Sorry dude sounds like your stick stills have declined bottom line stop blaming the game because your getting blown out

However, if the cheeser is able to spam steal and play frantic defense, ball hog with his best player, and leave my guys open literally every possession and still win, then I have a problem with that. That's when I do fault the game because those type of tactics shouldn't win out against superior basketball knowledge and execution.

• Spam steal has always been apart of sports games for as long as i can remember so try another excuse. Cheeser being able to ball hog with their best player ???? It's not rocket science that the best player is going to be given the ball the most for scoring chances uh DUH! Even Kobe ball hogs in real life so sounds like more crying to me Leave your guys open sounds like a good strategy to me espically if your not hitting shots and last but not least I can't believe you said cheese tactics shouldn't be able to beat someone playing sim uh it's called cheese for a reason lmao plz try not to make yourself look like this again i guess sasquash is back once again to speak the truth

I'd like to see the Lakers try that against the Timberwolves. The Timberwolves would run them out the gym, and I think we all can agree on that.

Tell me your just joking the timberwolves running la out of the gym lol your funny

[Mos1ted]

Re: Eye Candy or Gameplay?

[QUOTE=Sasquash;2043067932]

Obviously, something has changed and it's not my "stick skills."

• Sorry dude sounds like your stick stills have declined bottom line stop blaming the game because your getting blown out

However, if the cheeser is able to spam steal and play frantic defense, ball hog with his best player, and leave my guys open literally every possession and still win, then I have a problem with that. That's when I do fault the game because those type of tactics shouldn't win out against superior basketball knowledge and execution.

• Spam steal has always been apart of sports games for as long as i can remember so try another excuse. Cheeser being able to ball hog with their best player ???? It's not rocket science that the best player is going to be given the ball the most for scoring chances uh DUH! Even Kobe ball hogs in real life so sounds like more crying to me Leave your guys open sounds like a good strategy to me espically if your not hitting shots and last but not least I can't believe you said cheese tactics shouldn't be able to beat someone playing sim uh it's called cheese for a reason lmao plz try not to make yourself look like this again i guess sasquash is back once again to speak the truth

I'd like to see the Lakers try that against the Timberwolves. The Timberwolves would run them out the gym, and I think we all can agree on that.

Tell me your just joking the timberwolves running la out of the gym lol your funny

If you're on PSN, what's your PSN ID? Hit me up with a friend request, and we can play tonight after I get home from class. I'll show you my stick skills personally. My PSN ID is the same as my OS ID. If not, shut the hell up.

I'm really getting sick and tired of you guys who think people are complaining because they aren't good at the game. Like I've said over and over again, I've own every NBA 2K since 2K2, and I've own every College Hoops ever released. I'm not new to 2K basketball games or the sport of basketball in general. I'm 28 years old. I've been watching, playing, and learning the game for over 21 years. Face it, NBA 2K12 has a lot of fundamental problems, especially online.

Tell me when was the last time you saw an NBA defender repeatedly try to steal the ball without getting a foul called.

Tell me when was the last time you saw Rajon Rondo take every shot for the Boston Celtics on nearly every possession.

While star players are the primary focus offensively, they aren't the only focus. There's a big difference.

The reason why this things exist online is because they work. If they didn't work, people wouldn't do it. Point blank, period. Cheese wouldn't be an issue if cheese didn't work consistently against realistic basketball strategies online. The game is broken. Even 2K themselves admit that passing is broken right now. Passing is one of the most fundamental skills in basketball on any level, yet you can't pass effectively on this game at the moment. A cheeser knows this, so they can play overaggressive defense with no recourse. That's not the cheeser's fault; that's the game design's fault.

Bottom line, don't come at me like you know me. Check my post history.

[Sasquash]

Re: Eye Candy or Gameplay?

Tell you what Mos1ted i'll play you my gt is nycdabqmbbaby ima add you later on and expose you real quick get ready to face my Miami heats

[theenemy]

Re: Eye Candy or Gameplay?

Tell me when was the last time you saw an NBA defender repeatedly try to steal the ball without getting a foul called.

also,
when was the last time you saw an NBA defender repeatedly try to steal the ball without getting tired.

[Mos1ted]

Re: Eye Candy or Gameplay?

Tell you what Mos1ted i'll play you my gt is nycdabqmbbaby ima add you later on and expose you real quick get ready to face my Miami heats

The Miami Heat? Tell me you're joking.

[Padgoi]

Re: Eye Candy or Gameplay?

[quote=Sasquash;2043067932]

Obviously, something has changed and it's not my "stick skills."

• Sorry dude sounds like your stick stills have declined bottom line stop blaming the game because your getting blown out

However, if the cheeser is able to spam steal and play frantic defense, ball hog with his best player, and leave my guys open literally every possession and still win, then I have a problem with that. That's when I do fault the game because those type of tactics shouldn't win out against superior basketball knowledge and execution.

• Spam steal has always been apart of sports games for as long as i can remember so try another excuse. Cheeser being able to ball hog with their best player ???? It's not rocket science that the best player is going to be given the ball the most for scoring chances uh DUH! Even Kobe ball hogs in real life so sounds like more crying to me Leave your guys open sounds like a good strategy to me espically if your not hitting shots and last but not least I can't believe you said cheese tactics shouldn't be able to beat someone playing sim uh it's called cheese for a reason lmao plz try not to make yourself look like this again i guess sasquash is back once again to speak the truth

I'd like to see the Lakers try that against the Timberwolves. The Timberwolves would run them out the gym, and I think we all can agree on that.

Tell me your just joking the timberwolves running la out of the gym lol your funny

No offense, but I think you missed the entire point of his post.

[Padgoi]

Re: Eye Candy or Gameplay?

Tell you what Mos1ted i'll play you my gt is nycdabqmbbaby ima add you later on and expose you real quick get ready to face my Miami heats

This guy sounds like a cheeser without actually even seeing him play.

[Padgoi]

Re: Eye Candy or Gameplay?

Tell me if this is fundamental basketball to you:

- Players jump up for rebounds without boxing out and fighting for positions. Instead, rebounds are determined by who simply can jump the highest.

- The CPU defender knows exactly where you're going to go before you go there, whether it's passing or dribbling.

- The 1.03 patch fixed this, but players could hit contested shots like they were throwing rocks in the ocean.

- Defenders can magically catch up with players on the break despite being 4 to 5 steps behind.

- Animations sometimes delay or don't trigger for the user's offensive player, allowing the defense to recover to contest a shot or cut off a lane.

- The CPU can pass out of a shot or a double team without actually knowing where a teammate is (with perfect accuracy), but if the user tries the same thing, the ball is either bobbled on the catch, thrown out of bounds, or deflected/intercepted.

- Slower, less agile defenders are able to stay in stride against superior ballhandlers despite the ratings matchup

Is it bad that I agree wholeheartedly with every single thing he mentioned? These are all problems that are currently plaguing the game, even after the 1.03 patch. Hell, he didn't even mention:

- fast-break passing being literally broken as 97% of them are stolen
- the CPU having telekinesis and ESP simultaneously
- Players dribbling off their OWN feet, let alone the feet of other players