I just cant enjoy this game because its too hard...

[OGKing]

Re: I just cant enjoy this game because its too hard...

I know the first thing i'm going to do when i buy 2k12 tomorrow, is get some sliders.

The out of the box sliders are horrible.

Sliders are your answer my friend.

Sliders & Practice.

[ffpp]

Re: I just cant enjoy this game because its too hard...

Also, over-tweaking sliders will only distract from improvements you can make to your own skills.
So just take a bunch of sliders which are supposed to be good and use them for a couple of games without thinking too much about them.
When you settle into the game more you will have an easier time finding possible tweaks to the slider because then you will have established your own playing style somewhat.

[Kry]

Re: I just cant enjoy this game because its too hard...

I personally tweaked my sliders a lil down for the cpu when it comes to shot making. Made it 45 instead of 50 for everything except 3pt shots. 3pt shots I gave a 43, and it seems to be working out well. If the cpu is wide open, majority of the time they'll make the shot. But if Im closing out on them, depending on if they are hot...they'll miss the 3.

Tweeking game example- Played against Dallas with the 3pt shot on 50 and they made 9/13 from the arc. Adjusted the slider, and they shot 6/14 and only 2 of those were wide open shots.

I also adjust the defense so that helpside plays a bigger part. I set it to 75, and I actually see players rotating to the open man. The only issue I have to deal with now, is getting by the defender without getting bumped over and over or whoring ISO moves everytime. DRose should be able to get pass Derek Fisher if he's driving at an angle. Fish shouldn't be able to slide super fast back, and bump my drive from an angle straight up.

[stillfeelme]

Re: I just cant enjoy this game because its too hard...

I personally tweaked my sliders a lil down for the cpu when it comes to shot making. Made it 45 instead of 50 for everything except 3pt shots. 3pt shots I gave a 43, and it seems to be working out well. If the cpu is wide open, majority of the time they'll make the shot. But if Im closing out on them, depending on if they are hot...they'll miss the 3.

Tweeking game example- Played against Dallas with the 3pt shot on 50 and they made 9/13 from the arc. Adjusted the slider, and they shot 6/14 and only 2 of those were wide open shots.

I also adjust the defense so that helpside plays a bigger part. I set it to 75, and I actually see players rotating to the open man. The only issue I have to deal with now, is getting by the defender without getting bumped over and over or whoring ISO moves everytime. DRose should be able to get pass Derek Fisher if he's driving at an angle. Fish shouldn't be able to slide super fast back, and bump my drive from an angle straight up.

What you have described about the on ball defense is the same way I see it programmed now without any slider adjustment.

1. The CPU just plays a different unrealistic on-ball defense. They are able to not obey any momentum and speed up/change directions etc. to get into perfect position to cut off most if not all penetration. It kills the realism in my opinion.

2. What should be happening IMO is, if they are beat off dribble they should do exactly what they do in real life either foul on the perimeter because they know they don't have a good enough angle or speed to cut you off, or let the guy go and look for the help defense to help. What we get now is the perimeter defender is able to stop the whole play by himself by exaggerated on-ball defense causing you to go into a contact animation.

[stead21]

Re: I just cant enjoy this game because its too hard...

The game is hot garbage this year, point blank, I love the animations, presentation, and graphics, but the pick and roll doesn't even work, hell I can't even call a 1-3-1 defense on greatest mode, it's not fun, 2K is tweaking too much. Missing a ton of blayups it terrible as well. This is the first time in 20 years or so I have not had a new basketball game to enjoy, this is one of the only reasons I still play Video games. And sliders don't make it fun, it just makes it seems like I'm manipulating the game that doesn't make fun.

[amra01]

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the game is perfect on paper tons of teams and animations AI is playing real basketball etc etc, my problems are the same pick n' roll is broken, you can't dribble past a player without the stupid collisions even if you have the advantage, spacing doesn't work either cause AI doesn't double team even if you have Hakeem scoring 50 inside.
so in conclusion if you play with shooters and a good shooting centers like rockets 94 or celtics 86 everything is fine if you play with orlando 95 the game sucks. also I find hard to dunk even with shaq playing against bargniani

[I Djm]

Re: I just cant enjoy this game because its too hard...

the game is perfect on paper tons of teams and animations AI is playing real basketball etc etc, my problems are the same pick n' roll is broken, you can't dribble past a player without the stupid collisions even if you have the advantage, spacing doesn't work either cause AI doesn't double team even if you have Hakeem scoring 50 inside.
so in conclusion if you play with shooters and a good shooting centers like rockets 94 or celtics 86 everything is fine if you play with orlando 95 the game sucks. also I find hard to dunk even with shaq playing against bargniani

lol try a seven footer who can't dunk or rebound over glen davis or how about glen davis soaring for a rebound and then slams it back

[Segagendude]

Re: I just cant enjoy this game because its too hard...

I'm confused......

Every sports game released,sim players complain they're too easy, even with sliders. Most want a true sim experience, not arcade.

Sounds like 2k12 finally delivers, and now it's too hard and some can't enjoy it????

So, what is it gamers want? True sim, but not TOO sim, or what???

[Pared]

Re: I just cant enjoy this game because its too hard...

I'm confused......

Every sports game released,sim players complain they're too easy, even with sliders. Most want a true sim experience, not arcade.

Sounds like 2k12 finally delivers, and now it's too hard and some can't enjoy it????

So, what is it gamers want? True sim, but not TOO sim, or what???

The "hard" moniker does not coincide with the "sim" moniker.

Read the forum and search back a bit more. It has been detailed quite a few times, including by myself, why the game is not as enjoyable as it was last year.

Most of us are just waiting for the patch with fingers crossed.

[Segagendude]

Re: I just cant enjoy this game because its too hard...

The "hard" moniker does not coincide with the "sim" moniker.

Read the forum and search back a bit more. It has been detailed quite a few times, including by myself, why the game is not as enjoyable as it was last year.

Most of us are just waiting for the patch with fingers crossed.

Ok, I'll do that.

Although the bolded part kinda explains things to me a bit better.

So it's not the difficulty aspect, it's that the game needs patches to make it play better? That I can understand...

I was thinking along the lines of The Show----game's so hard that it gets discouraging.

[Pared]

Re: I just cant enjoy this game because its too hard...

It's a bunch of issues rolled into one being expressed in this thread - difficulty.

From the mirroring defensive AI to the cpu's perfect execution when it is determined to score... the game is bi-polar. A great game at times against the CPU... to only have the most ridiculous and frustrating things occur that the user has very little control over.

2k11 wasn't like this... but many complained the CPU did not "put up a fight." And many got what they asked for... in the worst way possible.

I've used this reference plenty of times (and it's a good phrase to search on) - the AI responds like the early Mortal Kombat games did. It's bearable on Pro and just gets worse exponentially as you guy up in difficulty.

[OGKing]

Re: I just cant enjoy this game because its too hard...

2k12 CPU def puts up a fight.

i was using the what, 1990 warriors, against the toranto raptors.

Right out of the gate, i came out on fire, was up 14-0. Raptors slowed our momentum down and scored 14 unanswered on us

yes, the toranto..raptors.


i think clutch factor needs to be turned off, that's the reason why the cpu always come back, anyone else agree?

[Kaanyr Vhok]

Re: I just cant enjoy this game because its too hard...

While I agree that the game has gotten tougher it certainly hasn't brought down the fun. 2k8, and 2k9 both had some major exploits that could be used against the CPU. You had to handicap yourself and the CPU with sliders now default allstar in 2k12 is a pretty solid and balanced challenge out of the box.

[Az2k12]

Re: I just cant enjoy this game because its too hard...

Um so how is this different than how 2k11 was/is. Huge difference betwen All-Star, Superstar and Hall of Fame difficulties. I usually use All-Star if I'm coming back to the game after a long period of time to start off easy.

[vtcrb]

Re: I just cant enjoy this game because its too hard...

I have seen a ton of people complain about the game being hard. I am happy it FINALLY is challenging. There are a few Bugs I agree but with the Right Sliders and Right Roster(NOT the 2k Default) this game can be very enjoyable.