NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Details, Arrives Tomorrow

[Zen_Master07]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Details, Arrives Tomorrow

LOL those were the days. Honestly, I didn't start caring about little things until I joined OS. Back when I had Live 2000, I just played. Damn you, OS! LOL

We have gotten older and the technology has far advanced that point, remember that was when iverson was in his prime and anybody who called your house knocked you off the internet

[starks1903]

Re: NBA 2k12 1.04 Patch Release date & Info.

i still can t believe we have waited some much only for this minor gameplay changes

[eko718]

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Must say, I'm not quite hyped about the PS3 patch impressions. The new found love most are having for the game seems to boil down to one thing; the game is easier.

It seems to happen every year that the gameplay out the box its very good though not perfect and they overcompensate for those who complain the most about it being to difficult(even though there are 5 difficulty levels and sliders), making the game too easy.

If it is easier for the right reasons as in it having a more true to life balance, I can accept that. Often times it doesn't seem that way though, and the game loses some of that edge and excitement it had out the box. We'll see.

[Sam Marlowe]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Details, Arrives Tomorrow

You're joking right, Eko? The running line in almost every single impression is that the game now plays more like a real game of bball. The game seems to be easier because the player doesnt have to compensate for things that they would never see on a real court. The difficulty now seems to be tied more to strategy not AI bs. Also, sliders arent an option for everyone. Online players, those who like MP ect. Are you really reading those posts?

[eko718]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Details, Arrives Tomorrow

You're joking right, Eko? The running line in almost every single impression is that the game now plays more like a real game of bball. The game seems to be easier because the player doesnt have to compensate for things that they would never see on a real court. The difficulty now seems to be tied more to strategy not AI bs. Also, sliders arent an option for everyone. Online players, those who like MP ect. Are you really reading those posts?

Plays more like a 'real game of basketball' is subject to opinion. We'll see. I'm not making any judgement about the patch(obviously because I have not played it myself), I'm merely speaking to the way things have gone historically with 2K and patches.

As I stated if the game is 'easier' because its more balanced and realistic I'm all for that. Often times though when 2K tries to make such gameplay changes through patching, it breaks other things that were good about the game.

[Sam Marlowe]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Details, Arrives Tomorrow

Breaking things to fix other is a virtual fact of life when it comes to patches. Also, a gane playing like the real game of basketball doesnt include the cpu reacting in conceert with user input and perfectly mirroring user movement. It also doesnt include player routinely playing above their ratings and tendencies on a regular basis. Those are the knids of things being discussed.

[morningstar777]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Details, Arrives Tomorrow

Any post patch ONLINE gameplay impressions?

[eko718]

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I think you're missing the general point. I never said the game plays perfectly like a real game of basketball out the box, but it was challenging and fun(offline). There are definitely things that needed to be balanced and adjusted, but sometimes that attempt to balance takes the game from one extreme to the next.

I read the thread, I know what people are saying, but I don't know the appetite for challenge of those persons, the patience of those persons as far as learning curve or their skill level. Just because someone says 'the game plays more realistically' doesn't mean 'realistically' to them doesn't mean 'I'm finally able to win games'. A person saying 'steals in the passing lane are more realistic' could easily mean the game is no longer punishing them for ill advised passes and ball movement. This is why, like I said, I am reserving my judgement.

[DBMcGee3]

I haven't even tried to play All-Pro yet this year honestly. I have learned over the years that I just don't enjoy the game as much when I'm having to concentrate THAT much just to compete, and I couldn't agree more with some of the posts regarding the CPU cheapness. On pro, I win most of the time, but I'm using the Bulls and they are a good team, so I expect to win unless I'm playing a top tier team.

My biggest gripes with the game seem to be the same as most people, the passing and the speed issue. Hopefully this patch will help the passing out, but is there a slider setting that can help with the player speed? I was thinking Madden had some slider which caused a more noticeable difference between fast and slow players. Anyone got any slider recommendations regarding this issue? Tired of seeing D Rose in shackles baby!

Thanks guys.

[Mos1ted]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Details, Arrives Tomorrow

Any post patch ONLINE gameplay impressions?

Check the PS3 impressions thread. A couple of guys and I already posted some online impressions there.

[Mos1ted]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Details, Arrives Tomorrow

I think you're missing the general point. I never said the game plays perfectly like a real game of basketball out the box, but it was challenging and fun(offline). There are definitely things that needed to be balanced and adjusted, but sometimes that attempt to balance takes the game from one extreme to the next.

I read the thread, I know what people are saying, but I don't know the appetite for challenge of those persons, the patience of those persons as far as learning curve or their skill level. Just because someone says 'the game plays more realistically' doesn't mean 'realistically' to them doesn't mean 'I'm finally able to win games'. A person saying 'steals in the passing lane are more realistic' could easily mean the game is no longer punishing them for ill advised passes and ball movement. This is why, like I said, I am reserving my judgement.

I can't speak for everyone, but I was definitely one of those guys who felt the game was unbalanced and challenging in a cheating way before the patch. When guys say the game is easier, we're saying that the cheapness factor is pretty much gone. Yes, there is still some mirroring and on-ball defense is still problematic, but the CPU isn't playing above itself anymore. You can now contest shots and actually affect the shot percentage. Your A.I. teammates also play smarter. To me, those things have nothing to do with some learning curve. Those are elements that should have been available to the user from the jump. All I wanted is that feeling that my actions impact the game. Some of us actually know the game of basketball and aren't complaining about the game pre-patch because we're sore losers. Saying the game is easier on the higher settings just means that the CPU is actually beatable with proper play and execution. Even Da Czar didn't play on that difficulty at launch. Are you going to say he doesn't know basketball either?

[RedmanR]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Details, Arrives Tomorrow

Plays more like a 'real game of basketball' is subject to opinion. We'll see. I'm not making any judgement about the patch(obviously because I have not played it myself), I'm merely speaking to the way things have gone historically with 2K and patches.

As I stated if the game is 'easier' because its more balanced and realistic I'm all for that. Often times though when 2K tries to make such gameplay changes through patching, it breaks other things that were good about the game.

Dude put a lid on it ok. . . the patch clean-up a lot of on the court issues. The game-play is a lot smoother, more balanced, spacing and movement is better, controls are more responsive, player control improved, less bumping, cpu doesn't hold the ball as often late in the shot clock. Is it perfect not at all. Has the playability been eased. . . feels like it has to me, but that's a good thing as it's still very challenging to play on pro/allstar. I haven't tried superstar yet.


Somethings I noticed right off the top that I wished where addressed are

1. Boxing out on rebounds.
2. Effective double teams.
3. Pick-and-roll play.
4. Fast break catch-up speed reduced.
5. Cpu recovery speed reduced.

I haven't touched Association, My Player or Online yet. I want to wait until the majority of the NBA transactions have been completed or a newly custom hex edited roster becomes available cough*(PP,Tomba and crew)

As for everyone making your BLIND impressions when you don't even have the patch or let alone the game. . . just stop-it. Stop with all the history repeats itself BS ok. Get it. . . and voice your own impression(s).

Thanks to 2K for the hook-up but I really who've been highly impressed if my 5 game-play issues above would've gotten addressed. NBA 2K12 is still a really good game of basketball.

[Iman416]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Details, Arrives Tomorrow

So did they fix the issue where we could check our stats during the in game??
like in 2k11, we had the Heat Check?. Please tell me they took out the changing camera angles during the game & brought back the heat check???

[Seanzie]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Details, Arrives Tomorrow

The game does actually play much better after the patch. The passing fixes have made the game a lot smoother on offense.

[blues rocker]

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Details, Arrives Tomorrow

I can't speak for everyone, but I was definitely one of those guys who felt the game was unbalanced and challenging in a cheating way before the patch. When guys say the game is easier, we're saying that the cheapness factor is pretty much gone. Yes, there is still some mirroring and on-ball defense is still problematic, but the CPU isn't playing above itself anymore. You can now contest shots and actually affect the shot percentage. Your A.I. teammates also play smarter. To me, those things have nothing to do with some learning curve. Those are elements that should have been available to the user from the jump. All I wanted is that feeling that my actions impact the game. Some of us actually know the game of basketball and aren't complaining about the game pre-patch because we're sore losers. Saying the game is easier on the higher settings just means that the CPU is actually beatable with proper play and execution. Even Da Czar didn't play on that difficulty at launch. Are you going to say he doesn't know basketball either?

exactly...the patch took the cheapness and randomness out the game. after the patch the game just makes sense now - contested shots miss as they should...wild interior shots that used to be money are now missing, as they should. now you determine your own success based on how well you play - the cpu no longer makes ridiculous shots over and over and over just because it wants to go on a run.

now if you want to stop the cpu - you can play good defense and stop them. and if you want to score, you can succeed by getting good shots. the outcome is in the hands of the user now.

and because you can actually move around the court and drive into the paint now, you can actually get the defense off balance and create scoring opportunities...also, because the passing is faster, you can capitalize on those opportunities by getting the ball to your teammates more quickly when they are open - overall the game now allows you to actually DO THINGS on the court because the CPU no longer has perfect awareness and perfect defensive reaction time. before the patch, it was like the CPU was a step ahead of you at all times...no matter what you did the CPU was there to stop you before you even did it...this was a combination of the CPU being too perfect on defense as well as the user being limited by sluggish control/animations - now those issues are mostly gone.