NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

**rangerrick012** · 12-16-2011, 07:03 PM

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Originally posted by nogster

You are not being doubled. You are seeing aggressive help D. there is a fundamental difference.
I assume Blake got doubled in a pick n roll trap yeah? The ONLY time Ive ever seen doubles in 2k12.
A secondary player attempting to steal off the post player is not a double team. Its simply the court spacing. The secondary player is in the vicinity of the ball either due to coming to help cover driving lanes or because he happened to be there when the pass was made. thus giving him the chance to swipe. At no point do you get trapped, forced to give up the dribble and either shoot or pass it.
At no point does the CPU recognize a defensive mismatch and double the offensive player like it did so well in 2k11.
I put Augustine to guard Dwight then controlled the magic in a test. simply called the same low post play for Dwight. back down, back down. repeatedly scored. NO DOUBLE.
Its unacceptable.

Im being a broken record I know.
I am just so relieved that its finally being recognized.. I felt like I was bashing head against a brick wall screaming this issue and no one was listening.
Thanks ALTIMUS, COURT VISION and the others who have spoken out about this fundamental flaw in this game.

OK great that's cool. Blake got doubled when I was trying to call a play at a random juncture of the game. I know it wasn't a P&R though. That tells me that DT logic is still in, just a bit wonky for some reason which I agree sucks. Also I know what a double team is and was just pointing out that even though I don't see pure 'double teams' with the animation and what not I do see guys help off and go for the steal on guys in the post.

I'm sorry that you're so upset about this. I'm not saying that it's not a problem but for me it's not a gamebreaker. And yes I do use post players and consider myself a decent post player. But at the same time people are making it like every team doubles every post player every game in real life, which is not the case. I'm not saying it's not an issue that should be addressed. But IMO it's not the gamebreaker that some are making it out to be, especially considering some of the other elements that are even bigger flaws IMO.

Hopefully as Czar said 2K will look at it and fix it in a future patch, and hopefully that should be fixed since I do see DTs occasionally at least, though admittedly not as much or as often as in 2K11. But I do think it's being overblown as a 'game breaker' by some on here. Agree to disagree.

**Altimus** · 12-16-2011, 07:31 PM

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

This isn't a game breaker but it's basic basketball fundamentals. Pressing and double teaming. Double teams from the AI perspective are nonexistence and pressing for the AI is just magically sliding the defender over and creating an invisible wall so you can't get through.

The game looks glorious at first glance but the more you play, the bigger the flaws get.

Also I know no team doubles on every possession but the game doesn't adjust properly to when it should. Sometimes the game never adjusts. The problem is this was perfect last year as I remember many times in late games I would bring the ball up with Rose and get doubled immediately. Something a real team would do. Get the ball out of the most dangerous player's hands and force the offense into a different play. Get beat my someone other than the star player. Here I feel no pressure. I can run plays on every set whenever I want. The AI will just play out 5 on 5 with no intention of disrupting the flow of the offense with some double up top.

The other side of is in zone defenses doubles are used a lot more because of the aggressive nature to force a turnover. I'm not sure how often the AI goes into zone but when they should it should also increase the chance of doubling up.

Also looking at some stats I remember per every 100 shots last year in the Playoffs, the Heat took 20% of them against double team scenarios. That's a lot.

To me this is an important aspect of basketball. It just doesn't exist in this game. 2K11 had it right, here, it's just straight 5 on 5 with no double, poor rotations and invisible walls. Players don't rotate properly over sometimes, defense is just ignored in this game.

I'm just tired of this nonsense man. Each year is the same thing. Game comes out and we all know we'll have to wait for a winter patch to fix glitches, bugs and other things. Has been like that before the 360 days even on the original Xbox. Well the winter patch has come and still there are some glaring issues. 2K needs to get on the ball here literally.

**Sundown** · 12-16-2011, 07:58 PM

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Originally posted by Pitfighter87

Nice breakdown Da_Czar. Pulling no punches but also highlighting what's better. I think I need to revisit my drive attempts. I'm having a lot of trouble with Monta Ellis. Probably need to run scrimmage to work out how to get around the defender. Are you using turbo? What difficulty and settings? I do miss how in 2K11 the defense actually has to account for momentum and you can freeze them in their shoes and don't have to be afraid of using turbo sometimes.

I also agree that in my limited experience fast breaks seem better. Passes connect more often and I'm seeing more bounce passes. I know speed doesn't matter enough in transition but is it universal? Does it come into play in a half court set?

**NINJAK2** · 12-16-2011, 08:09 PM

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Some of the positives DaCzar noticed in this patch were probably just a case of placebo effect..

**sirjam** · 12-16-2011, 08:12 PM

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Originally posted by Sundown

Nice breakdown Da_Czar. Pulling no punches but also highlighting what's better. I think I need to revisit my drive attempts. I'm having a lot of trouble with Monta Ellis. Probably need to run scrimmage to work out how to get around the defender. Are you using turbo? What difficulty and settings? I do miss how in 2K11 the defense actually has to account for momentum and you can freeze them in their shoes and don't have to be afraid of using turbo sometimes.

I also agree that in my limited experience fast breaks seem better. Passes connect more often and I'm seeing more bounce passes. I know speed doesn't matter enough in transition but is it universal? Does it come into play in a half court set?

what's the name of this vid? I'm on a phone so I have to go to YouTube to watch it I can't get it on this site.

**Gotmadskillzson** · 12-16-2011, 08:21 PM

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Thoughts

That is the name.

**sirjam** · 12-16-2011, 08:22 PM

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Maybe the dbl issue is jus post players then. But I know the CPU never dbl the post. U can score every point with D12 an u will never see one ever! Also a side note, bad move to take out sweat from the game it adds realism to the players.

**Darkfifty** · 12-16-2011, 08:32 PM

how do i download the patch to the ps3?

**sirjam** · 12-16-2011, 08:36 PM

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Originally posted by Gotmadskillzson

NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Thoughts

That is the name.

Hmmn I typed it in but got nothing by czar.

**Sundown** · 12-16-2011, 08:37 PM

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Originally posted by sirjam

what's the name of this vid? I'm on a phone so I have to go to YouTube to watch it I can't get it on this site.

NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Thoughts.

**OGKing** · 12-16-2011, 08:38 PM

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Originally posted by sirjam

what's the name of this vid? I'm on a phone so I have to go to YouTube to watch it I can't get it on this site.

NBA2k12 Patch 1.04 Thoughts

**Gotmadskillzson** · 12-16-2011, 08:47 PM

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Hmmn I typed it in but got nothing by czar.

Type in Precise40

That is his name on Youtube and it will take you directly to his channel. Once you go to his channel, that video starts playing automatically.

**OGKing** · 12-16-2011, 08:48 PM

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Originally posted by sirjam

Hmmn I typed it in but got nothing by czar.

Just type his youtube name then, precise40

Edit; ninja'd

**sirjam** · 12-16-2011, 09:13 PM

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

Originally posted by Gotmadskillzson

Type in Precise40

That is his name on Youtube and it will take you directly to his channel. Once you go to his channel, that video starts playing automatically.

Thanks fellas finally found it. That Shaq steve kerr part is unacceptable 2k

**sirjam** · 12-16-2011, 10:23 PM

Re: NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

For those of u that claim you have seen real double teams on hot players I would love to know how? I jus hit for 70 with Manu an saw no doubles whatsoever.

NBA 2K12 Patch 1.04 Available Now - Post Impressions Here (PS3, 360)

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