How to rebuild Celtics?

[MURDR63]

Re: How to rebuild Celtics?

I really wouldn't trade any of the Big Three. Garnett and Allen are both huge expiring contracts and you'd probably have to take back some junk just to make the salaries work in a trade. It's better to hang onto them and bring them back on much cheaper deals as role players next season.

I think a fun way of rebuilding is to do something kind of counter-intuitive and trade Rondo and Green. My Association plan is to trade Rondo, Jermaine O'Neal, JaJuan Johnson, and my '12 first rounder for Steve Nash, Marcin Gortat, and Phoenix's '12 first rounder. With the exception of swapping the draft picks (in real life Phoenix either wouldn't give up a first or would heavily protect it), it's a pretty fair trade for both stars. Nash is a huge offensive upgrade over Rondo, albeit a much worse defender, and about an equally good playmaker. Gortat gives the Celtics a reasonably cheap, much more durable and consistent big man than a broken down JO. Phoenix gets a young All-Star point guard locked into a favorable long term contract, salary cap relief in JO, and a very minor prospect in Johnson.

After that, Green can be flipped for whatever. I like extra size with upside off the bench, so I'll probably see if I can get Tyrus Thomas from Charlotte. I'll end up rounding out the bench with guys like Redd and Posey on the cheap, giving me a lineup of:

Nash/Dooling/Bradley
Allen/Redd/Daniels
Pierce/Posey
Garnett/Thomas/Bass
Gortat/Thomas

Here's where it gets interesting. The above is potentially a championship caliber team in 2K but Nash, Allen, and Garnett alone combine for over $40 million in expiring contracts. The only players you'll have left under contract after the season are Pierce, Gortat, Thomas, and Bradley. Gortat and Thomas are both valuable enough players on contracts that are very moveable, giving the Celtics a lot of flexibility. When you factor in the high lottery pick from Phoenix, the gobs of cap room, and the valuable trade assets in Bradley, Gortat, and Thomas, you have so much room to operate that it's crazy.

Wow, really like that idea. But what's a good trade for Green/Thomas? Just a straight-up swap? Sorry, away from 2k at the moment.

Actually looks like the most reasonable and most likely to happen (but won't).

After that, I'm assuming I should target either Austin Rivers or one of the Lamb's in the draft, and then a decent PG, like Chalmers or something, in FA?

Really like these trades, as the're realistic.

[insideoutside15]

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Wow, really like that idea. But what's a good trade for Green/Thomas? Just a straight-up swap? Sorry, away from 2k at the moment.

Actually looks like the most reasonable and most likely to happen (but won't).

After that, I'm assuming I should target either Austin Rivers or one of the Lamb's in the draft, and then a decent PG, like Chalmers or something, in FA?

Really like these trades, as the're realistic.

It all really depends on what kind of team you want. I like having a good point guard, so if Nash retires I'd go after one via trade using my draft choice, like Anthony Davis and a future first for Steph Curry and Golden State's current pick. Then I'd use my cap space to try and pry away someone like Kevin Love, who usually doesn't get matched in free agency because the Wolves have Derrick Williams playing the same position. It's really up to you, short of trading for Dwight or Lebron (which seems impossible) you can put together a really great core this way.

[jeremym480]

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Nash is one of my favorite players ever and I understand the move which is basically one run at the championship and then a salary dump. However, that's a pretty big gamble. I'd probably have Phoenix throw in another draft pick just to make things a little more even. I don't think that the Celtics (in real life) would never do that, so I wouldn't call it realistic. Fair would be a better word.

[MURDR63]

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Nash is one of my favorite players ever and I understand the move which is basically one run at the championship and then a salary dump. However, that's a pretty big gamble. I'd probably have Phoenix throw in another draft pick just to make things a little more even. I don't think that the Celtics (in real life) would never do that, so I wouldn't call it realistic. Fair would be a better word.

Maybe a 2nd rounder? The 2012 class is deep, and an early 2nd rounder could net a decent player.

[Slyone14]

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What are your goals at the point? Someone with a good salary? I think it would take the computer a lot to give up Nash and in real life. The suns seem to want him to retire there and he wants to stay. But if u do Persue hi
How much are u willing to give? Like a precious poster said with rondo I highly doubt the celtics would want to give up rondo for nash. Rondo fits perfect for them.

If it was me I'd either trade for d williams, Devon Harris, or jennings. Jennings and Harris are scoters plain and simple who you could get without losing much. Williams, well we know what he can do. I'd give up anyone on my team for him. He wants to win.

Finally, I'n NBA 2k12 I'n the coming off season Paul, Westbrook and sometimes rose are always there. Grab one of them where by u lose nothing.

[Slyone14]

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Btw I say jennings because I'n my raptors chise I got jennings pretty easy.

[MURDR63]

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What are your goals at the point? Someone with a good salary? I think it would take the computer a lot to give up Nash and in real life. The suns seem to want him to retire there and he wants to stay. But if u do Persue hi
How much are u willing to give? Like a precious poster said with rondo I highly doubt the celtics would want to give up rondo for nash. Rondo fits perfect for them.

If it was me I'd either trade for d williams, Devon Harris, or jennings. Jennings and Harris are scoters plain and simple who you could get without losing much. Williams, well we know what he can do. I'd give up anyone on my team for him. He wants to win.

Finally, I'n NBA 2k12 I'n the coming off season Paul, Westbrook and sometimes rose are always there. Grab one of them where by u lose nothing.

No, it's really easy to get Nash in 2k12, because he's 37. TO me, the trade would make sense for both teams, and it would put me in great position for now and the future.

[insideoutside15]

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I had some time to kill this morning so I decided to give this plan another go. I did the first season exactly like I explained before. I ended up losing in the second round to Chicago after a 56 win season, so that was a little disappointing. I hit the jackpot in the lottery and wound up with the second overall pick, and after the Wolves drafted Quincy Miller first overall I picked up Andre Drummond. To test what I said earlier about it being impossible to trade for top tier superstars I offered Drummond, Tyrus Thomas, Marcin Gortat, and Avery Bradley for Dwight Howard and they accepted. Long story short, this is what I ended up with:

Nash/Hinrich/Siva
Allen/Redd/Parker
Pierce/Kris Joseph/Posey
Garnett/D. Arthur/Mbakwe/Samuels
Howard/Sacre

It's not the huge rebuild I had hoped for and leaves holes for the future, but oh man is that a fun team to play with in the meantime. After signing Dwight to an extension it does leave approximately $16 million in cap space though, at least before you factor in resigning guys and draft picks. I simmed ahead to the offseason (Nash and Redd both retired) and ended up using that cap space to sign Andre Iguodala, Ramon Sessions, and Anthony Morrow. I still had the MLE left over and tried to get Milsap or Ibaka but both of them were matched.

[Slyone14]

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I understand what ur doing, it is a fAir trade it is just not reality. The celtics wouldn't give up rondo for Nash, not at 37. Think about it, they pulled him from the d12 trade, also rondo is I'n his prime. He fits I'n perfect for that team man. Just don't think it is reality. Anyone else agree?

[MURDR63]

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I had some time to kill this morning so I decided to give this plan another go. I did the first season exactly like I explained before. I ended up losing in the second round to Chicago after a 56 win season, so that was a little disappointing. I hit the jackpot in the lottery and wound up with the second overall pick, and after the Wolves drafted Quincy Miller first overall I picked up Andre Drummond. To test what I said earlier about it being impossible to trade for top tier superstars I offered Drummond, Tyrus Thomas, Marcin Gortat, and Avery Bradley for Dwight Howard and they accepted. Long story short, this is what I ended up with:

Nash/Hinrich/Siva
Allen/Redd/Parker
Pierce/Kris Joseph/Posey
Garnett/D. Arthur/Mbakwe/Samuels
Howard/Sacre

It's not the huge rebuild I had hoped for and leaves holes for the future, but oh man is that a fun team to play with in the meantime. After signing Dwight to an extension it does leave approximately $16 million in cap space though, at least before you factor in resigning guys and draft picks. I simmed ahead to the offseason (Nash and Redd both retired) and ended up using that cap space to sign Andre Iguodala, Ramon Sessions, and Anthony Morrow. I still had the MLE left over and tried to get Milsap or Ibaka but both of them were matched.

Well, Howard AND Iggy is too over-the-top, IMO. Plus, I'm only willing to make 2 trades.

[insideoutside15]

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I understand what ur doing, it is a fAir trade it is just not reality. The celtics wouldn't give up rondo for Nash, not at 37. Think about it, they pulled him from the d12 trade, also rondo is I'n his prime. He fits I'n perfect for that team man. Just don't think it is reality. Anyone else agree?

He's a perfect fit now but I think they have real life concerns both about his attitude and his lack of an offensive game going forward in a post Big Three era. It's unlikely that they'd trade him, but you can't ignore the fact that he's been involved in trade rumors for three straight offseasons now. The broadcasters on the Celtics pregame show were saying that Rondo is still being shopped just the other night before their last preseason game. If the Celtics brass feels like he doesn't have a long term future with the organization, it'd make sense to trade him in a manner that let them go all in this year without handicapping their ability to rebuild after this season. The part where my trade gets unrealistic is the Suns giving up a top five pick in a stacked draft, but I can live with that.

Well, Howard AND Iggy is too over-the-top, IMO. Plus, I'm only willing to make 2 trades.

Trading for Dwight happened during the offseason, then Iguodala and Sessions came the year after that ater pretty much the entire team retired. I ended up with a team that was star heavy, but was pretty light on the bench. I only made three trades over three years to get to that point. I won't argue that it's not super realistic, but I think it's more than plausible enough for a video game.

[MURDR63]

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Yeah, it's not THAT bad, I'd still only want t be limited to 2 trades, though. Maybe draft Andre Drummond and KEEP him?

[MURDR63]

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Celtics are probably getting Pietrus, so we have a good backup SF if we get him...need a new Jeff green trade. Maybe package Rondo and Green for someone?

[MURDR63]

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bump for post-Pietrus suggestions

[LJ_K1NG]

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trade Allen to da Rockets for Kevin Martin.. u might get Scola too if u add Garnett.. da Rockets are trying to blow their roster up for picks, youth n cap space.. so see if can add a third team to da mix to provide that.. but adding Kevin Martin to replace Ray Allen helps a lot.. work on molding Jeff Green into Paul Pierce or draft Kidd-Gilchrist to play da 3..