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Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion
Ok I’ve got a ton of trade proposals to run by everyone. First off I’m sure that several will be shot down due to CBA rules or whatnot (I just don’t keep up with that stuff as much as some of you). Second I thought I’d post the current standings to give perspective:
Miami Heat 35-16
Boston Celtics 34-18 1.5 gb
Chicago Bulls 32-18 2.5 gb
Atlanta Hawks 30-23 6 gb
Philadelphia 76ers 28-25 8 gb
Orlando Magic 26-27 10 gb
Indiana Pacers 26-27 10 gb
Milwaukee Bucks 25-29 11.5 gb
Washington Wizards 24-28 11.5 gb
New York Knicks 24-29 12 gb
Toronto Raptors 23-29 12.5 gb
Charlotte Bobcats 24-30 12.5 gb
Cleveland Cavaliers 21-28 13 gb
Detroit Pistons 22-31 14 gb
New Jersey Nets 20-33 16 gb
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Dallas Mavericks 37-13
Oklahoma City Thunder 37-17 2 gb
Denver Nuggets 31-21 7 gb
Golden State Warriors 28-24 10 gb
Minnesota Timberwolves 28-23 9.5 gb
Los Angeles Clippers 27-24 10.5 gb
San Antonio Spurs 28-26 11 gb
Memphis Grizzlies 26-26 12 gb
Portland Trailblazers 25-26 12.5 gb
Houston Rockets 22-30 16 gb
Phoenix Suns 21-29 16 gb
Los Angeles Lakers 21-31 17 gb
Sacramento Kings 19-32 18.5 gb
New Orleans Hornets 17-32 19.5 gb
Utah Jazz 17-33 20 gb
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There have been zero catastrophic injuries (I’m just letting the AI do injuries and the only guy out for the year is Dunleavy from the Bucks) The East has so much parity for the last 4 spots that I’m reluctant to write off anyone quite yet, but at the same time every team not named the Bulls, Heat, Celtics, and maybe the Hawks is kidding themselves about getting very far in the playoffs, so sneaking in at the 8<SUP>th</SUP> spot just invites a 1<SUP>st</SUP> round sweep and a worse draft pick. The only trade so far was as follows:
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Orlando gets: Bynum (LAL), Martin (HOU), Scola (HOU)
Lakers gets: Howard (ORL), Turkoglu (ORL), Thabeet (HOU)
Houston gets: Gasol (LAL), Blake (LAL) Reddick (ORL)
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I will number each trade for convenience:
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1. Orlando gets Nocioni and a 2<SUP>nd</SUP> round pick Philadelphia gets Glenn Davis. With Scola and Anderson both signed for three more years, Davis is a large contract for a 10 minute a game player. Nocioni is an expiring deal. Philly gets some inside help.
2. Milwaukee sends Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston, and Jon Brockman to the Timberwolves for Martell Webster, Anthony Randolph, and Brad Miller. Jackson IRL has expressed a desire for a contract extension that the Bucks aren’t going to do. Randolph is young and has potential plus is a RFA. Webster has a team option so the Bucks can either keep him or have cap room. Miller makes the deal work. He does have 2 years on his deal but it’s about 1/3 of the cost of Jackson’s deal, plus he provides minutes if Ilaysova doesn’t resign. The Twolves get an upgrade at SG.
3. Milwaukee sends Jackson to the Hawks for Hinrich and a 2012 2<SUP>nd</SUP> round pick. Hinrich is an expiring contract at 8m.
4. Cavaliers send Sessions to the Heat for Chalmers and a 2012 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounder. Sessions will turn down his player option for Cleveland since Kyrie Irving is the PG of the future. He may take his option with Miami. Cleveland gets a pick, albeit a late 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounder, and a decent PG who can knock down shots.
5. Cavaliers send Sessions to the Lakers for Luke Walton and a 2012 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounder. Again a late 1<SUP>st</SUP> round pick, plus Walton is a bad contract for one more year after 2011/2012, but the Cavs are not going to keep Sessions so they might as well get something. The Lakers need to take one last shot at getting into the postseason before blowing up the team. So far the Howard deal has been a bust for them.
6. Memphis sends Mayo and Haddadi to the Nets for Morrow and Shelden Williams
7. Memphis sends Mayo, Arthur, Haddadi, and a 2013 2<SUP>nd</SUP> rounder to the TWolves for Ridnour, Webster, and Tolliver. Mayo isn’t resigning with the Grizzlies, nor is Arthur. Memphis gets a good 3<SUP>rd</SUP> guard in Ridnour signed for 3 years, Webster has the aforementioned team option and Tolliver is expiring. Minnesota upgrades at the 2 guard plus gets another big body. Memphis salvages something for Mayo rather than letting him walk.
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The following trades are all surrounding the New Orleans Hornets. Eric Gordon is refusing to sign an extension. He is a RFA so NO can get one more year out of him, hope he changes his mind if they build around him or they can cut their losses now. The 1<SUP>st</SUP> trade is done with Gordon spending one more year in NO and the Hornets hoping to convince him to sign an extension.
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8. Kaman, Cardell Johnson to the Rockets for Terrence Williams, Flynn, Hill, Dragic, and a 2012 2<SUP>nd</SUP> round pick. All are expiring contracts but Williams, Hill, and Flynn have team options. If they show something maybe NO keeps them around. Rockets don’t see any of those guys in their future and they get Kaman to try and make a playoff push in a very wide open western conference. Kaman, Gasol, parsons, C. Lee, Lowrey, Blake, Patterson, Dalembert, and Reddick is a solid 9 man rotation.
9. Gordon, C. Johnson to the Nets for 2012 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounder (probable high lottery), Brooks, and Morrow.
10. Gordon to the Rockets for C. Lee, 2012 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounder, 2013 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounder
11. Gordon, Kaman to Pacers for Granger, George Hill, and a 2012 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounder
12. Gordon, Kaman to the Twolves for Pekovic, Webster, D. Williams, 2013 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounder
13. Gordon, Kaman to Warriors for Monta Ellis and Kwame Brown
14. Gordon, Kaman to Blazers for Wallace, Matthews, 2012 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounder, 2013 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounder. This is down with the assumption that Wallace and Crawford have no plans to accept their player options, Felton may walk in free agency and Camby is retiring. Batum is a RFA. Blazers use the cap room to bring in a PG to join Gordon, Batum, Aldridge, and Oden.
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Question: Can you sign an extension in season and then trade the player? I would like to do that with Mayo and possibly Gordon to make them more valuable but I'm not sure what the real life rules are on that. Thanks in advance for any help or thoughts. Pull no punches, I've got thick skin.Comment
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Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion
My comments are in boldI will number each trade for convenience:
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1. Orlando gets Nocioni and a 2<SUP>nd</SUP> round pick Philadelphia gets Glenn Davis. With Scola and Anderson both signed for three more years, Davis is a large contract for a 10 minute a game player. Nocioni is an expiring deal. Philly gets some inside help.This is probably just a personal thing, not a fan of any team with Andrew Bynum trading away big men, he could go down at any time, for the season and leave the team short handed, if you want to move Davis I'd wait to the off-season
2. Milwaukee sends Stephen Jackson, Shaun Livingston, and Jon Brockman to the Timberwolves for Martell Webster, Anthony Randolph, and Brad Miller. Jackson IRL has expressed a desire for a contract extension that the Bucks aren’t going to do. Randolph is young and has potential plus is a RFA. Webster has a team option so the Bucks can either keep him or have cap room. Miller makes the deal work. He does have 2 years on his deal but it’s about 1/3 of the cost of Jackson’s deal, plus he provides minutes if Ilaysova doesn’t resign. The Twolves get an upgrade at SG. Don't like this for Milwaukee as they fighting for a playoff spot, I think they need to get a little more scoring punch back for Jackson
3. Milwaukee sends Jackson to the Hawks for Hinrich and a 2012 2<SUP>nd</SUP> round pick. Hinrich is an expiring contract at 8m. Again, why is Milwaukee dumping Jackson for an expiring deal at a position they don't need. I get why you are trying to trade him, I did in my association, I just think they could fill more of need since they are in playoff picture. I traded Jackson to Washington for Nick Young in my assoc. other player were involved but I can't remember all the specifics
4. Cavaliers send Sessions to the Heat for Chalmers and a 2012 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounder. Sessions will turn down his player option for Cleveland since Kyrie Irving is the PG of the future. He may take his option with Miami. Cleveland gets a pick, albeit a late 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounder, and a decent PG who can knock down shots.Not too bad, but I like the next one better
5. Cavaliers send Sessions to the Lakers for Luke Walton and a 2012 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounder. Again a late 1<SUP>st</SUP> round pick, plus Walton is a bad contract for one more year after 2011/2012, but the Cavs are not going to keep Sessions so they might as well get something. The Lakers need to take one last shot at getting into the postseason before blowing up the team. So far the Howard deal has been a bust for them.Makes more sense as the Lakers really need a PG
6. Memphis sends Mayo and Haddadi to the Nets for Morrow and Shelden WilliamsI did a very similar trade in mine, thumbs up on this one
7. Memphis sends Mayo, Arthur, Haddadi, and a 2013 2<SUP>nd</SUP> rounder to the TWolves for Ridnour, Webster, and Tolliver. Mayo isn’t resigning with the Grizzlies, nor is Arthur. Memphis gets a good 3<SUP>rd</SUP> guard in Ridnour signed for 3 years, Webster has the aforementioned team option and Tolliver is expiring. Minnesota upgrades at the 2 guard plus gets another big body. Memphis salvages something for Mayo rather than letting him walk.
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The following trades are all surrounding the New Orleans Hornets. Eric Gordon is refusing to sign an extension. He is a RFA so NO can get one more year out of him, hope he changes his mind if they build around him or they can cut their losses now. The 1<SUP>st</SUP> trade is done with Gordon spending one more year in NO and the Hornets hoping to convince him to sign an extension.
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8. Kaman, Cardell Johnson to the Rockets for Terrence Williams, Flynn, Hill, Dragic, and a 2012 2<SUP>nd</SUP> round pick. All are expiring contracts but Williams, Hill, and Flynn have team options. If they show something maybe NO keeps them around. Rockets don’t see any of those guys in their future and they get Kaman to try and make a playoff push in a very wide open western conference. Kaman, Gasol, parsons, C. Lee, Lowrey, Blake, Patterson, Dalembert, and Reddick is a solid 9 man rotation.
9. Gordon, C. Johnson to the Nets for 2012 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounder (probable high lottery), Brooks, and Morrow.
10. Gordon to the Rockets for C. Lee, 2012 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounder, 2013 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounder
11. Gordon, Kaman to Pacers for Granger, George Hill, and a 2012 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounderBest move of all these, New Orleans get players, all the cap space in the world won't really do them any good becasue no one wants to go play there, I tried this in my assoc. but freakin Kaman got hurt and I need his salasry to make it work
12. Gordon, Kaman to the Twolves for Pekovic, Webster, D. Williams, 2013 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounder
13. Gordon, Kaman to Warriors for Monta Ellis and Kwame Brown
14. Gordon, Kaman to Blazers for Wallace, Matthews, 2012 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounder, 2013 1<SUP>st</SUP> rounder. This is down with the assumption that Wallace and Crawford have no plans to accept their player options, Felton may walk in free agency and Camby is retiring. Batum is a RFA. Blazers use the cap room to bring in a PG to join Gordon, Batum, Aldridge, and Oden.
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Question: Can you sign an extension in season and then trade the player? I would like to do that with Mayo and possibly Gordon to make them more valuable but I'm not sure what the real life rules are on that. Thanks in advance for any help or thoughts. Pull no punches, I've got thick skin.You can extend and trade, but it won't do you any good as the extension doesn't kick in till the following season, so in Gordon's case you're still trading the low salary"You come at the King, you best not miss..."Comment
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Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion
Thanks for the feedback. Yeah I know the extension doesn't help the $$$ in a trade, but when I can trade Mayo or Gordon already locked up to another team then they are going to be willing to trade more than if they are only getting a 1/2 season guaranteed and hoping to resign the guy.
My thoughts on Milwaukee and Jackson is that he's going to be a malcontent. Yeah the Bucks are fighting for the 8th spot but are they really going to win more than a game in a playoff series so my thought process was simply to move him before he poisons the locker room (I dont' use player roles or chemistry but that's my real life perception of him, I could be way off).Comment
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Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion
Although Stephen Jackson might be hard-headed, he's fiery and can play great when he's motivated. Remember when he willed that 8th Seed Warriors team past Dallas?Comment
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Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion
For the extensions it depends on weather your trading to a team as a long term answer or an extra piece to make a deep run then see how it plays out.
I agree with you about Jackson, of those two I'd pick the Minnesota trade since Randolph is a beast in 2k(wish he would go that hard IRL) so the Bucks are getting a pretty piece back IMO and if you move out a few of the other PF's(maybe amnesty Gooden) then he and Jennings could be a good pair of young players for the Bucks to move forward with."You come at the King, you best not miss..."Comment
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Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion
Speaking of amnesty, does everyone agree that it's not worth it to amnesty a guy with one year left? the reason I ask is I'm not doing an amnesty for anyone this season unless it happens IRL. In the 1st offseason I plan on doing some amnesty picks but one seemingly obvious one would be Rashard Lewis. However he has just one year to go so with the Wizards not heading towards title contention anytime soon, it might be wiser to just hold on to him, maybe try and trade him at the deadline or just let it expire for cap room.Comment
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Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion
I would trade him or let his contract expire, if Washington doesn't amnesty him IRL that big expiring contract will be really nice trade piece, someone is definitely gonna try to get that number to take off their cap."You come at the King, you best not miss..."Comment
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Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion
Think I might start up a Pistons association using this guide/roster/draft classes.
What do you guys think of this trade?
Pistons send:
Ben Gordon
Jason Maxiell
Vernon Macklin
Future 1st round pick
Jazz send:
Al Jefferson
Current 2nd round pick
I'd like to pair up Jefferson with Monroe in the post. This gives the Jazz another decent scorer in Gordon while letting Kanter get more time in and adding depth in the post. Ran it through the NBA Trade Machine without the picks and it came out successful.Comment
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Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion
Question for Bed and the others who worked on the associaton help spreadsheet, do you guys mind if I borrow your layout(s) for the future plan template I am working on? Just wanted to make sure no one would mind.Comment
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Re: Bedwardsroy19 30-Team Control Association Guide/Discussion
I don't mind, have you seen the template we provided? Might help!
Here is a link to a Excel file that can serve as a template to organize your association: http://www.mediafire.com/?fyl7ibc983abc6jUpdates on Twitter: 2KstauffComment
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