2k11 vs 2k12

[rhein77]

The above poster summed it up perfectly!

[speedy9386]

Re: 2k11 vs 2k12

It's funny to see how some of this forum need to make this sort of comparison. I get the 360 vs. PS3, Microsoft vs. Apple, Coke vs. Pepsi. But there are some that don't make much sense - NCAA vs. Madden for example. I've seen some try to make the argument one is great and the other sucks. They're made by the same developer. While they're different, at their core they're the same.

The 2K11 vs. 2K12 argument makes even less sense. It's not like 2K12 is some radical divergence from 2K11. The same dev team you praise for their work in 2K11 is the same one you're faulting in regards to every game aspect in 2K12. Oops, other than presentation because it's practically perfect in 2K12. But of course to you "presentation really isn't important" because you couldn't give them credit for anything positive regarding 2K12.

Just because it's made by the same people doesn't change the fact that one plays better than the other.

[speedy9386]

Re: 2k11 vs 2k12

Just looking at some of these post, makes me feel like I'm playing a different game than some of you. Like the things you all are complaining about are just laughable. 2k12 has it's issues and is far from perfect, but it's a solid game and it's depth will go unappreciated.

I said what I had to say about 2k12 and 2k11. Nobody is forcing you to play 2k12, if the gameplay is that bad go back to 2k11. Please stop spamming the forum with threads like this. 2k13 is on the way, hopefully they'll make the game easy enough for you.

[jersez]

Re: 2k11 vs 2k12

I guess you're just satisfied with any game they put out. The whole game is centered around Iso basketball. Put the ball in a star's hands and let him do an escape dribble jumper or step back J. Team basketball isn't very effective on default sliders with horrible passing mechanics, A+ shots not falling from Steve Novak, chest to chest layup animations triggering midway into the layup, or dribbling the ball off my foot. How does any of that have to do with my skill level? It's a very flawed game.

Son, Most of the NBA offense's are iso based. "You saying team basketball isn't very effective" what do you mean? Are you talking about offense? If so you got to be kidding me, there are so much depth with the plays that aren't broken. Multiple options and 2k11 passing sucked and it wasn't "team basketball" you can't say 2k12 passing is worse when they are equally terrible. Guess what sometimes NBA players miss open shots, get over it. If your dribbling the ball off your foot, that means your not doing something right. I barely hear anyone complain about dribbling the ball off of someones foot. News flash 2k11 was flawed. Stop complaining.

I don't think it is all about how good u are on the sticks or if u know all the iso-motion. True basketball knowledge should prevail. Basketball that is played on the court should closely transcend what is on the virtual court.

It seems that I have to dig a little deeper in 12 to enjoy it like I did in 11. It gets frustrating when u execute plays in 2k and they are not executed because of a slow pass getting to where it needs to be, or my shooter does a bobbling animation or steps out of bounds or the defender has got back into position because of some computer ai. It gets frustrating after a while. I am saying that 2k11 did not annoy me like 2k12. I think that 2k11 had the fundamentals down better to its core.

I am not knocking 2k12 at all. I think it is a phenomenal game! I love the post controls, deeper playbooks, etc. but some of the fundamentals are not as good as they were in 11. I can barely run my pick and roll offense sometimes.

Another small thing. I can get players hot and as soon as they are hot... They miss? Everytime. It is just the small things that urk me. A bunch of small things add up over the course of 10 months.

I am not on this thread to troll or make fun of 2k12, but to voice what I honestly think. Everyone on these forums want a better game and these threads help the developers with this process.

Nobody said you can't voice your opinion, and for me I know that most people that bitch about the game usually suck. Deny it all you want, but there are people on here that enjoy 2k12. It's not a broken game, you complaining about bobbled catches, the reason why they are bobbling the pass is because your passing the ball to far from the receiver or passing it to a spot they're not at.

These threads don't help, when their is already an impression thread. A question thread and help thread. Threads like this fill the forum up, and waste space. Devs been working on 2k13 the day after 2k12 was release. The game is almost done.

I'm not a douche I'm just good at this game, just because I told you the truth I"m a douche okay, I'm a douche for telling the truth. It's not the game, it's you have you ever considered that?

[rhein77]

Re: 2k11 vs 2k12

Nobody said you can't voice your opinion, and for me I know that most people that bitch about the game usually suck. Deny it all you want, but there are people on here that enjoy 2k12. It's not a broken game, you complaining about bobbled catches, the reason why they are bobbling the pass is because your passing the ball to far from the receiver or passing it to a spot they're not at.

You don't know what you are talking about as far as assuming why there are bobbled passes. I am coming down the lane with point guards in the key and I pass to 3 point shooters that are open in the corner and on the wing. Sometimes there is not a clean pass. There are bobbled animations that just should'nt happen. The pass should be clean. Tune in to any nba, college, or even high school game and tell me if you see open shooters bobbling passes.

I play head to head, default hall of fame with default sliders and I am not a my player, association, or online guy.

If you have nothing positive to contribute to this thread other than to discredit what other people are saying, just dont comment. Your assumptions are flat out wrong.

[jersez]

Re: 2k11 vs 2k12

You don't know what you are talking about as far as assuming why there are bobbled passes. I am coming down the lane with point guards in the key and I pass to 3 point shooters that are open in the corner and on the wing. Sometimes there is not a clean pass. There are bobbled animations that just should'nt happen. The pass should be clean. Tune in to any nba, college, or even high school game and tell me if you see open shooters bobbling passes.

I play head to head, default hall of fame with default sliders and I am not a my player, association, or online guy.

If you have nothing positive to contribute to this thread other than to discredit what other people are saying, just dont comment. Your assumptions are flat out wrong.

Who ever said I'm assuming?. From the sounds of it, you have no business play on hall of fame. You can't play on hof. Stop playing on hof and last time I've look you have no authority to tell someone they cannot comment. Lmao this thread isn't even productive. Nobody said you were a my player association or online guy, calm down. Just get better and stop complaining on the forums.

[rhein77]

Re: 2k11 vs 2k12

u mad bro?

[magicman32]

Re: 2k11 vs 2k12

Son, Most of the NBA offense's are iso based. "You saying team basketball isn't very effective" what do you mean? Are you talking about offense? If so you got to be kidding me, there are so much depth with the plays that aren't broken. Multiple options and 2k11 passing sucked and it wasn't "team basketball" you can't say 2k12 passing is worse when they are equally terrible. Guess what sometimes NBA players miss open shots, get over it. If your dribbling the ball off your foot, that means your not doing something right. I barely hear anyone complain about dribbling the ball off of someones foot. News flash 2k11 was flawed. Stop complaining.



Nobody said you can't voice your opinion, and for me I know that most people that bitch about the game usually suck. Deny it all you want, but there are people on here that enjoy 2k12. It's not a broken game, you complaining about bobbled catches, the reason why they are bobbling the pass is because your passing the ball to far from the receiver or passing it to a spot they're not at.

I have to disagree with your post sir. I for one don't suck at 2k12 nor did I suck at 2k11, but both games had it's flaws. I mostly play my player. I actually like 2k12's my player better than 2k11, because the AI is smarter in 2k12 from my experience. I can get my teammates to play well most of the time and I play realistic in My Player. But 2k11's game play overall is better.

But the passing in both 2k11 and 2k12 are horrible and I'm hoping they fix it for 2k13. Honestly I'm sick of hearing in the Dev Insights that they improved passing and they haven't. We've been hearing that BS for 2 straight years.

So are you saying that passing and catching animations are tuned correctly? Are you saying that speed, contact and sliding isn't a problem? In 2k11 you could barely even run a fast break. In 2k12 you have Bigs like Perkins and Bynum able to close out on perimeter players like they are Lebron James in the half court. And slow bigs able to catch fast players on the fast break. This stuff is unrealistic and needs to be fixed dude.

And I have to also disagree with you on the bobbled passes. My player has a 90 passing rating yet, if I throw the ball to a player cutting to the basket, he will do a 180 spin so the defense can recover. Or I can throw the ball ahead to a teammate only to have him bobble it so the defense can recover. The reason some of the bobbles take place is to allow the defense to recover and not user error.

And don't get me started on 2 on 1 fast breaks in 2k12. Why is it that CP3 can back pedal under the basket and have the hops to jump and break up a lob pass? Anybody who has ever played ball, knows that if you are back pedaling you can't jump as high as you normally would going forward. You can go outside and try it if you don't believe me.

These things (bobbled passes and psychic deflections) are implemented to make the defense seem better than it is. Or the AI cheapening the game to keep it close. And yes I play with clutch factor off.

2k12 is a good game, but to deny that the passing, rebounding (not attacking the ball) speed, ball physics, sliding, lack of contact, and unrealistic tip balls isn't a problem is not gonna fly with me. These things need to be tuned better for 2k13 period.

[jersez]

Re: 2k11 vs 2k12

u mad bro?

LMAO your the one bringing up irrelevant information mister "I'm not a association guy, I'm not a online guy, I"m not a my player guy" Lmao U MAD.

I have to disagree with your post sir. I for one don't suck at 2k12 nor did I suck at 2k11, but both games had it's flaws. I mostly play my player. I actually like 2k12's my player better than 2k11, because the AI is smarter in 2k12 from my experience. I can get my teammates to play well most of the time and I play realistic in My Player. But 2k11's game play overall is better.

But the passing in both 2k11 and 2k12 are horrible and I'm hoping they fix it for 2k13. Honestly I'm sick of hearing in the Dev Insights that they improved passing and they haven't. We've been hearing that BS for 2 straight years.

So are you saying that passing and catching animations are tuned correctly? Are you saying that speed, contact and sliding isn't a problem? In 2k11 you could barely even run a fast break. In 2k12 you have Bigs like Perkins and Bynum able to close out on perimeter players like they are Lebron James in the half court. And slow bigs able to catch fast players on the fast break. This stuff is unrealistic and needs to be fixed dude.

And I have to also disagree with you on the bobbled passes. My player has a 90 passing rating yet, if I throw the ball to a player cutting to the basket, he will do a 180 spin so the defense can recover. Or I can throw the ball ahead to a teammate only to have him bobble it so the defense can recover. The reason some of the bobbles take place is to allow the defense to recover and not user error.

And don't get me started on 2 on 1 fast breaks in 2k12. Why is it that CP3 can back pedal under the basket and have the hops to jump and break up a lob pass? Anybody who has ever played ball, knows that if you are back pedaling you can't jump as high as you normally would going forward. You can go outside and try it if you don't believe me.

These things (bobbled passes and psychic deflections) are implemented to make the defense seem better than it is. Or the AI cheapening the game to keep it close. And yes I play with clutch factor off.

2k12 is a good game, but to deny that the passing, rebounding (not attacking the ball) speed, ball physics, sliding, lack of contact, and unrealistic tip balls isn't a problem is not gonna fly with me. These things need to be tuned better for 2k13 period.

The 2k12 I'm playing on right now, no those aren't problems. Maybe the patch did that the catch animations, but I barely see them and if they do happen it's because of me. With the exception of contact everything you listed is fixable or can be tone down with lowering the difficulty and getting some sliders that make the gameplay realistic. Or just adjust the sliders to your liking. It's known that 2k12 wasn't properly configured, with tendencies ratings and sliders. The reason 2k11 played better out of the box, is it was properly edited. The sliders are in the game for a reason. No bobbled catches, edit the rebounding, like just use the freaking sliders. This game is amazing when it's configured properly. Again nobody is forcing you to play 2k12, 2k11 is available for 20 bucks. Please stop spamming the forum with this, especially since 2k13 is almost around the corner.

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[chandlerbang]

Re: 2k11 vs 2k12

2k12 has alot more problems than 2k11. even 2k really even didnt promote the game after it released. 2k11 player movement, defense, passing, shooting, and player movement outmatched 2k12 by longshot. Post game, playbooks and presentation were only real advancements this year. Its easy to see 2k12 wasnt complete at launch with all the missing modes and other gameplay deficiencies. I think 2k13 will really just be a more polished version of 2k12 i hope!

[JerzeyReign]

Re: 2k11 vs 2k12

Most guys won't admit that 2k12 is too difficult for them.

In past 2ks you could get buy just knowing a few moves and dominating the games where in this one it's not so likely

You know how the family reacts in Family Feud when their teammate gives a good answer ("Good answer, good answer" Followed by an excited clap)? Thats how I just reacted, lol.

2k12 is the better game IMO. I'm a 2k vet and I play on Pro (tweaked sliders that give a higher level difficulty). I can play on the higher levels but if you stop concentrating for a second its a wrap! I think some people just need to swallow that pride and place it on a lower level.

[jersez]

Re: 2k11 vs 2k12

You know how the family reacts in Family Feud when their teammate gives a good answer ("Good answer, good answer" Followed by an excited clap)? Thats how I just reacted, lol.

2k12 is the better game IMO. I'm a 2k vet and I play on Pro (tweaked sliders that give a higher level difficulty). I can play on the higher levels but if you stop concentrating for a second its a wrap! I think some people just need to swallow that pride and place it on a lower level.

Exactly, it's concentration. I play on all star or pro, if I just feel like having some quick fun. I throw superstar on, when I have to time to concentrate on the game. I just don't understand why people can't play on a difficulty level that makes them enjoy the game. Aye jerzey pm the link man, I barely check my jersez twitter.

[Sasquash]

Re: 2k11 vs 2k12

Exactly, it's concentration. I play on all star or pro, if I just feel like having some quick fun. I throw superstar on, when I have to time to concentrate on the game. I just don't understand why people can't play on a difficulty level that makes them enjoy the game. Aye jerzey pm the link man, I barely check my jersez twitter.

You know how the family reacts in Family Feud when their teammate gives a good answer ("Good answer, good answer" Followed by an excited clap)? Thats how I just reacted, lol.

2k12 is the better game IMO. I'm a 2k vet and I play on Pro (tweaked sliders that give a higher level difficulty). I can play on the higher levels but if you stop concentrating for a second its a wrap! I think some people just need to swallow that pride and place it on a lower level.

I've read most of yall post in this thread and it's obvious you both suck, Lmao both of you play on pro difficulty and have the nerve to tell people they suck well news flash Pro is easy i Play on hall of fame and until you step your difficulty up ya both suck LMAO @ 2k vet what game is he Playing? Of course yaw going to come here saying everyone sucks when playing on one of the easiest difficulties

[jersez]

Re: 2k11 vs 2k12

I've read most of yall post in this thread and it's obvious you both suck, Lmao both of you play on pro difficulty and have the nerve to tell people they suck well news flash Pro is easy i Play on hall of fame and until you step your difficulty up ya both suck LMAO @ 2k vet what game is he Playing? Of course yaw going to come here saying everyone sucks when playing on one of the easiest difficulties

Lmao you can't read huh? Damn this is one of the dumbest responses I've read on this forum in a long time.. I actually play on superstar and hall of fame, depends on how much time I have and I can focus on the game. I choice to play on all-star because I usually don't have the time, to play a full 12 minute superstar and hall of fame game.

You bragging that you play hof is sad. Like who cares? That means nothing when most of us have other responsibilities.. That was a good laugh tho, I can laugh at you all day for that one.

[iLLosophy]

Re: 2k11 vs 2k12

You bragging that you play hof is sad. Like who cares? That means nothing when most of us have other responsibilities.. That was a good laugh tho, I can laugh at you all day for that one.

I've just started ignoring trolling posts like the one he posted - esp from guys who have this under their name