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  • al2k4
    Rookie
    • Nov 2003
    • 171

    #16
    Re: EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIZEUPS

    Thanks for the video but its unwatchable. I'm tell you right now, 2k12 is best played on the pro/sim level. If you guys are playing on allstar or higher the game doesn't play right because of the force fields and vaccums. On pro/sim, you get to the basket without worry of that bs vaccum/force field bump animation happening all the time. Iso moves have purpose. Try it an you will see the difference. Speed matters too. I've been playing unranked, pro, sim level games online and having the most fun I ever had since buying this game. My tag is Almor71 if you want to play and so i could explain.
    Last edited by al2k4; 04-23-2012, 09:51 AM.

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    • seawolves9
      Rookie
      • Dec 2006
      • 346

      #17
      Re: EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIZEUPS

      Originally posted by al2k4
      All this to learn, just to run into a defender anyways. I don't even need iso moves to get by a defender just stick movement and avoid using turbo, however the problem is that you end up running into someone else defender because your AI controlled teammate did not move into the right spot as you are driving. That's a big problem in 2k games for years. EA figured this out a long time ago with their ps2 verison of live. The spacing and movement in 2k games are just not right and it worst this year cause of the high steals, blocks and bs, inconsistant live ball physics. That's why zones are so over powering in 2k. I do appreciate the info you gave. Thanks.
      Agree entirely with what was said here. Iso moves and the like are almost completely useless because you get stonewalled by yours or a teammates defender, usually no matter the speed difference. Sometimes I'll get a glimpse of separation using some moves, mostly from the triple threat, but you have to react with cat reflexes to take advantage of the defender's misstep.

      Easiest way for me to get open when I have the ball is to run back and forth to create some separation.

      You did, however, enlighten me as to what the L2 meant with the skills. Had no idea it meant level 2. Although I had a hunch it had something to do with tiers.

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      • thuglife74
        Banned
        • Nov 2011
        • 296

        #18
        Re: EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIZEUPS

        i've just recently started play on superstar/default. i can keep up with a good team until the last quarter and the ai just goes berserk shooting insane percentages. think ya got it bad on pro or all star? try that lol. so i play on all star and pretty much let the cpu do their thing on offense... i mean i defend but i don't get all aggressive with steal attempts and pressure. i don't play games to pull my hair out so i just enjoy myself casually.

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        • ironwork
          Rookie
          • Apr 2012
          • 169

          #19
          Re: EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIZEUPS

          ive allways said playing on hall of fame is like haveing a really hot girlfriend that only lets you sleep with her in the car. yeah everyone knows you have a really hot girlfriend!!! and still your doing it and everyone is praising you and giveing you props. but at the end of the day its just not as much fun lol.
          death before dishonor!


          "i never was a clutch shooter......but on xbox im deadly" shaq

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          • ironwork
            Rookie
            • Apr 2012
            • 169

            #20
            Re: EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIZEUPS

            Originally posted by seawolves9
            Agree entirely with what was said here. Iso moves and the like are almost completely useless because you get stonewalled by yours or a teammates defender, usually no matter the speed difference. Sometimes I'll get a glimpse of separation using some moves, mostly from the triple threat, but you have to react with cat reflexes to take advantage of the defender's misstep.

            Easiest way for me to get open when I have the ball is to run back and forth to create some separation.

            You did, however, enlighten me as to what the L2 meant with the skills. Had no idea it meant level 2. Although I had a hunch it had something to do with tiers.
            if i at least brought some help to you, thats was all i wanted. to help people. but i play allstar sim most of the time just recently went up a notch. thats on myplayer. now on assoc. i have sliders for hall of fame that make the game very enjoyable. you can flick the ball without LT useing the left stick then use a cross with LT and break plenty of ankles. theres so many ways i get to the rim. its just 2k never expained them corrrectly.some sizeups are pressure sensitive, meaning the slower or faster the user flicks the stick the diffrence in animation
            im working on getting a PVR soon ill get some vids of my own up.
            Last edited by ironwork; 04-23-2012, 03:19 PM.
            death before dishonor!


            "i never was a clutch shooter......but on xbox im deadly" shaq

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            • BezO
              MVP
              • Jul 2004
              • 4414

              #21
              Re: EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIZEUPS

              Originally posted by ironwork
              MAYBE ILL DUMB DOWN THE WAY I TALK USE CORNY NURSERY RHYME RAPS AND SPEAK IN AUTO TUNE FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND ME!! OHH WELL I TRIED TO HELP!!!
              I don't know about nursery rhyme raps & auto tune, but dumbing it down might not be a bad idea. I'm confused.

              3 types of crossovers? L1, L2 & L3? These being the names of buttons has me confused. Can you explain? Are these the 3 levels you refer to later? If so, are the levels determined by the dribble ratings?

              And what's a crossover 7? Forward 17? Are these moves assigned to specific players?

              What's the difference between engaged & non-engaged crossovers?
              Shout out to The Watcher! Where you at bruh?

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              • nip83
                Rookie
                • Apr 2010
                • 257

                #22
                Re: EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIZEUPS

                Originally posted by BezO
                I don't know about nursery rhyme raps & auto tune, but dumbing it down might not be a bad idea. I'm confused.

                3 types of crossovers? L1, L2 & L3? These being the names of buttons has me confused. Can you explain? Are these the 3 levels you refer to later? If so, are the levels determined by the dribble ratings?

                And what's a crossover 7? Forward 17? Are these moves assigned to specific players?

                What's the difference between engaged & non-engaged crossovers?
                Chris Smoove reference

                L1 L2 L3 are indicators in front of the name of iso sizeup animations.You can find them if you edit the signature moves of a player.L1 sizeup has one move,L2 usually a chain of 2 and L3 ...well you get the point.

                ...As for enganged ive heard it on youtube videos before.Not sure if i'm right but it's got to do whether the defender is guarding you closely(when you "feel" his defensive forcefield) or loosely e.g. some feet behind the 3pt line ,the sizeup animations you get are different...

                I'd really like some definition though if anyone knows about enganged sizeups.

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                • nip83
                  Rookie
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 257

                  #23
                  Re: EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIZEUPS

                  Originally posted by ironwork
                  if i at least brought some help to you, thats was all i wanted. to help people. but i play pro sim most of the time just recently went up a notch. thats on myplayer. now on assoc. i have sliders for hall of fame that make the game very enjoyable. you can flick the ball without LT useing the left stick then use a cross with LT and break plenty of ankles. theres so many ways i get to the rim. its just 2k never expained them corrrectly.some sizeups are pressure sensitive, meaning the slower or faster the user flicks the stick the diffrence in animation
                  im working on getting a PVR soon ill get some vids of my own up.
                  By hall of fame sliders you mean Defensive awareness for the cpu below 20-25?Cause on all star with CPU defensive awareness even at 30 it doesnt matter what move you pull off ,1 dribble later and the defender is up in your face again.The problem with lowering the D awareness so much is that set plays never work,people never fall on screens etc ,otherwise it could be a nice workaround for the ridiculous catching up the CPU does on D.If you care to post your slider set i'd really appreciate it.However videos would be much better...can't wait...

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                  • ironwork
                    Rookie
                    • Apr 2012
                    • 169

                    #24
                    Re: EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIZEUPS

                    ok boys now where cooking with gas i see some of you are grasping my theories. lol by the way im a dumb *** in real life so if i come off smart im not lol.


                    so here we go! in the edit player menus theres 3 seperate packages for each respected sizeup. my absolute favorite package is L3 forward 17. forward meaning when i am in the drive camera i press forward to execute this type of size up. this sizeup has three packages . one base that you see in the menu, and two hidden follow up sizeups. so if i press up and up and up again and again in a quick constant motion he will keep doing more and more animations. the defender will react and move and you will have a ton of openings to expode out and blow past him. i have a drose video in my arena its not my video but it shows what i am trying to explain here. at 0.21 he does exactly this. not the chris paul video the drose one.
                    Last edited by ironwork; 04-23-2012, 01:07 PM.
                    death before dishonor!


                    "i never was a clutch shooter......but on xbox im deadly" shaq

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                    • ironwork
                      Rookie
                      • Apr 2012
                      • 169

                      #25
                      Re: EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIZEUPS

                      now the cross sizeups are different things. my favorite one is L2 cross 7. thats what it says in the edit player menu. not crossover 7( sizeup) L2 CROSS 7. if i am in the drive camera i would move the stick either left or right to execute this move. this has a base cross and one hidden cross because it is only a level 2. the important thing to know here guys is THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A ENGAGED SIZEUP OR NOT. if i am useing this sizeup i can preform it whether or not i am engaged or not. it all depends on user control. dont go crazy with the sticks give a smooth left to right and he will cross left to right in a smooth transition. get silly with the sticks and it looks ackward and doesnt make the defender bite. the whole purpose guys is to get the guy whos guarding you to shuffle his feet and get outta position. 2k has also made all these moves pressure sensitive so i can go left to right . quickly changeing direction. it takes practice but its fun as hell once you have mastered them.
                      Last edited by ironwork; 04-25-2012, 09:11 AM.
                      death before dishonor!


                      "i never was a clutch shooter......but on xbox im deadly" shaq

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                      • ironwork
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2012
                        • 169

                        #26
                        Re: EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIZEUPS

                        finally there are escape dribble pull up moves. THESE are the MOST effective if you can master them correctly. the elite not the elite2 works better for me but again its up to user preference. there are a mix of these in game go practice and you will see. theres a move for every direction you pull the LT and move both sticks. the ones in the paint work the best for me but the trick is not to complete the move. so if he moves the ball around his back pick up the dribble and drive and see if you have good position.this is a little harder to explain but i will put up a tutorial after i pay my rent. i am a ironworker just moved to arizona from nyc havent really worked all year here so money is tight. but i will get a pvr soon.
                        death before dishonor!


                        "i never was a clutch shooter......but on xbox im deadly" shaq

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                        • ironwork
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2012
                          • 169

                          #27
                          Re: EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIZEUPS

                          Originally posted by BezO
                          I don't know about nursery rhyme raps & auto tune, but dumbing it down might not be a bad idea. I'm confused.

                          3 types of crossovers? L1, L2 & L3? These being the names of buttons has me confused. Can you explain? Are these the 3 levels you refer to later? If so, are the levels determined by the dribble ratings?

                          And what's a crossover 7? Forward 17? Are these moves assigned to specific players?

                          What's the difference between engaged & non-engaged crossovers?
                          yeah i shoudnt have said that. so i felt i needed to apologize. i have a history with him. i met him on XBL years ago.we talked about utube videos and i was kinda a dick to him about it. it turned out he was right. so years later i tried to apologize and talk to him and he acted like he didnt no me, ohh well. im my opinion dcoop and shakedown are better gamers he just is very entertaining.the thing is his head was big 4 years ago so now you can imagine. yet im still his sub so that goes to show you he does do somethings right. but im gonna be comeing on strong soon. anyway to answer your questions when i am saying either foward or side i am refering to the name of the amimation as it is stated in the edit player menu. i use the 2k or drive cam. so foward is up side is left or right depending on what hand the ball is in.
                          Last edited by ironwork; 04-23-2012, 03:06 PM.
                          death before dishonor!


                          "i never was a clutch shooter......but on xbox im deadly" shaq

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                          • ironwork
                            Rookie
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 169

                            #28
                            Re: EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIZEUPS

                            what shakedown was doing in his videos was going into the hidden animations and calling them engaged. he was getting a little crazy with the sticks when a defender got close makeing it look as if there is a difference. which there is not. shake is a great commentator BTW hes helped me in the past and i respect him 100%. you guys have to control the animations dont let the animations control you. once you can do this you will master what im tryng to explain. dont just mash the sticks left to right. let the animation finish and see where you take the defender. 2k has one agreat job with this but have done a crappy job teaching us. people are gonna complain and there gonna dumb the game down.if anyone wants ill teach them anytime. im bout to go onXBL now my user name is iRONWORK. as spelled. hit me up and if ANYONE needs help im here aight
                            death before dishonor!


                            "i never was a clutch shooter......but on xbox im deadly" shaq

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                            • BezO
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 4414

                              #29
                              Re: EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIZEUPS

                              So these are all size up moves you're talking about? Not crossovers, holding the left trigger?
                              Shout out to The Watcher! Where you at bruh?

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                              • charley farley
                                Rookie
                                • Jul 2011
                                • 29

                                #30
                                Re: EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SIZEUPS

                                Dude, this is awesome. Read through it at work, checked the videos as I got home and had a play with it and it's already totally revolutionised my iso play.

                                Creating space and clasting past defenders like I've always wanted to. Why is this sort of stuff not covered in the manual or in the tutorials?!?

                                THANK YOU

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