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  • Vni
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    • Sep 2011
    • 14833

    #16
    Re: Why is 2k going "casual" with 2k13?

    I think I would put all theses in the 2K12's flaws section.

    I really don't think it's a delibarate (does this word make sence?) move by 2K. They tried to do too much in too little time with 2K12, they released an unfinished/untested product.

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    • chandlerbang
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      • Apr 2012
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      #17
      Re: Why is 2k going "casual" with 2k13?

      Originally posted by Wilson24
      As someone who prefers live what turned me off to 2k was the control layout and responsiveness of dribbling and finishing moves. And all the modifiers you have to do. Im all for making that aspect better.
      Live has simple but very limited moves available to users

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      • Fiddy
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        #18
        Re: Why is 2k going "casual" with 2k13?

        the 2K NHL Dev Team went casual, a few years later the game was dead. sigh
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        • jersez
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          • Jul 2008
          • 1892

          #19
          Re: Why is 2k going "casual" with 2k13?

          Originally posted by tetoleetd
          what you bolded is exactly how the game is now lol. all the cheesers and noobs online think they are cool until they face someone that actually knows what they are doing.
          To me if they could fix the lag online then cheesers should never beat a sim player, of course they still need to fix the gameplay elements.

          Originally posted by chandlerbang
          But they have the market cornered with the 2k series cause live is subpar. People said 2k11 was to hard but 2k12 is actually easier especially online. To many game franchises have gone casual to the point where they lose their identify(battlefield 3) I hope 2k doesn't do the same.
          I don't play online that much but can you explain to me what's easier about it online? As I said before to me the lag and the team they use allows them to compete. I have lost to some players that just ran to the paint, but because of the lag I couldn't guard him. But when I play offline with my friends I have no problem beating them.
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          • yungsta404
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            • Jul 2011
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            #20
            Re: Why is 2k going "casual" with 2k13?

            Yea I hate how skill doesnt matter in 2k12 as much as it did with 2k11. This game is real cheeser friendly.

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            • SuperNoVa27
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              • Apr 2009
              • 898

              #21
              Re: Why is 2k going "casual" with 2k13?

              You haven't even played the game, there hasn't really been any information out either so saying 2k is going casual doesn't make that much sense.


              2k12 had less collisions? I could get in to the paint and score a lay-up or dunk every possession in 2k11 but in 2k12 I get bumped trying to do a simple crossover. I wonder what game you were playing and where I can buy it.

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              • ataman5
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                • Jun 2007
                • 2620

                #22
                Re: Why is 2k going "casual" with 2k13?

                Originally posted by yungsta404
                Yea I hate how skill doesnt matter in 2k12 as much as it did with 2k11. This game is real cheeser friendly.
                Yea i just happened to watch a 2k11 game on youtube after that decided to play some and what you said about 2k12 being cheeser friendly has indicated itself after i played 2k11 and saw how 2k11's gameplay was balanced both on offense and defense, and contacts and even the speed felt better overall, not to mention the fatigue effect.

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                • yungsta404
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                  • Jul 2011
                  • 547

                  #23
                  Re: Why is 2k going "casual" with 2k13?

                  Originally posted by SuperNoVa27
                  You haven't even played the game, there hasn't really been any information out either so saying 2k is going casual doesn't make that much sense.


                  2k12 had less collisions? I could get in to the paint and score a lay-up or dunk every possession in 2k11 but in 2k12 I get bumped trying to do a simple crossover. I wonder what game you were playing and where I can buy it.
                  there has been numorous threads and about 50 youtube videos with complaints about the lack of collison in this game.

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                  • jersez
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                    • Jul 2008
                    • 1892

                    #24
                    Re: Why is 2k going "casual" with 2k13?

                    Idk about 2k12 being cheeser friendly, it's a very deep game. I just need an example how the game is cheeser friendly. Everyone saying it is cool, but I need to see a comparison or any other type of example. I just feel as if the lag is making cheesers win, I mean we are sim gamers, we play on-ball. If you don't play on-ball then I don't consider you a sim gamer, If they could get rid of the lag, it would make defending a lot easier.
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                    • tetoleetd
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                      • Jul 2011
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                      #25
                      Re: Why is 2k going "casual" with 2k13?

                      Originally posted by jersez
                      Idk about 2k12 being cheeser friendly, it's a very deep game. I just need an example how the game is cheeser friendly. Everyone saying it is cool, but I need to see a comparison or any other type of example. I just feel as if the lag is making cheesers win, I mean we are sim gamers, we play on-ball. If you don't play on-ball then I don't consider you a sim gamer, If they could get rid of the lag, it would make defending a lot easier.
                      there are lots of ways to cheese and it has nothing to do with lag. the cheese i experience on a daily basis features things such as lead passing cheese, dunking over 2 or 3 people cheese, steal button mash cheese, draining shots in defenders faces cheese, double team every possession cheese, 1-3-1 zone cheese and up and under move cheese.

                      and i dont play on ball D in quick matches for the simple fact that its impossible to stay on your man due to the lag, as you mentioned. but i dont run around like an idiot either. i usually control al horford or josh smith and stay with my assignment if i play man. a lot of the time ill play 2-3 zone to stop people from driving the lane constantly. i use josh smith in the 2-3 and roam my designated zone, i dont mash the steal button and run around like an idiot. im sorry if you dont think thats sim, but its certainly not cheese. you should be able to beat the cpu defense if your good enough. in sure you beat the cpu offline.
                      Last edited by tetoleetd; 06-12-2012, 08:05 PM.

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                      • jersez
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                        • Jul 2008
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                        #26
                        Re: Why is 2k going "casual" with 2k13?

                        Originally posted by tetoleetd
                        there are lots of ways to cheese and it has nothing to do with lag. the cheese i experience on a daily basis features things such as lead passing cheese, dunking over 2 or 3 people cheese, steal button mash cheese, draining shots in defenders faces cheese, double team every possession cheese, 1-3-1 zone cheese and up and under move cheese.

                        and i dont play on ball D in quick matches for the simple fact that its impossible to stay on your man due to the lag, as you mentioned. but i dont run around like an idiot either. i usually control al horford or josh smith and stay with my assignment if i play man. a lot of the time ill play 2-3 zone to stop people from driving the lane constantly. i use josh smith in the 2-3 and roam my designated zone, i dont mash the steal button and run around like an idiot. im sorry if you dont think thats sim, but its certainly not cheese. you should be able to beat the cpu defense if your good enough. in sure you beat the cpu offline.
                        Ummm okay, Idk what lead passing cheese is, Is it throwing a lead pass? The dunking over numerous people has always been in 2k, but they made driving to the rim harder, you also play off-ball so you shouldn't be getting dunked on that much, but you use 2-3 defense which allows lead passing to be effective and opens lanes up. But you should be able to swat that, which is difficult because of the lag.

                        I don't consider the steal button mashing cheese, because it makes scoring easier for me. Making shots in a defender face is a part of basketball, if it is happening consistently I could understand, go check out Da_Czar shot contest vid.

                        I also don't understand the double team cheese either that actually is a basketball strategy. 1-3-1 zone idk that was cheese, it is a strategy. You should be able to pick apart any zone man. Up and under is cheese, but we have the hands up feature so idk. I mean everything you mentioned can be countered. Its just hard to counter it with all the present lag. I didn't mean to offend you but from back in the day if you didn't play on-ball your considered a cheeser, so that's why I said that.
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                        • Moor
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                          • May 2012
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                          #27
                          Re: Why is 2k going "casual" with 2k13?

                          1-3-1 is definitely cheese because defenders cover ground unrealistically, its to the point where the only way to beat it is to get somebody in the corner who can shoot 3's, or get somebody around the free throw line which is difficult because of the 3 defenders in the middle...You can pass the ball like a mofo because I'm the type of player who is always tapping the icon button, its been second nature for years so I'm always ready to pass to the open man and know what letter he is before it comes up...it doesn't matter how good your ball movement is, there usually be a defender in your face if he knows what he's doing...and they put their defensive pressure and help defense up to 100 to maximize it...

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                          • jersez
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                            • Jul 2008
                            • 1892

                            #28
                            Re: Why is 2k going "casual" with 2k13?

                            Originally posted by Moor
                            1-3-1 is definitely cheese because defenders cover ground unrealistically, its to the point where the only way to beat it is to get somebody in the corner who can shoot 3's, or get somebody around the free throw line which is difficult because of the 3 defenders in the middle...You can pass the ball like a mofo because I'm the type of player who is always tapping the icon button, its been second nature for years so I'm always ready to pass to the open man and know what letter he is before it comes up...it doesn't matter how good your ball movement is, there usually be a defender in your face if he knows what he's doing...and they put their defensive pressure and help defense up to 100 to maximize it...
                            The first time I have heard of this, no disrespect, but do you know how to beat the zone? Just wondering because it doesn't sound like it. There has been a lot of complain on this forums but this is the first time I've heard of 1-3-1 zone.
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                            • vtcrb
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                              #29
                              Re: Why is 2k going "casual" with 2k13?

                              2k12 had flaws out of the box with the way the did the Ratings and Tendencies, not to mention quite a few Glitches. Now for ON-line players you guys are stuck with whatever 2k gives you as Rosters to play with. Now for Off-line guys if you are willing to Edit the players and the game 2k12 can be quite enjoyable. It is a LONG process but when you find the right mix of Sliders and Roster you can enjoy the game ALOT. After editing the game I find 2k12 MUCH harder than 2k11. EVEN if 2k13 goes "Casual" , the guys who know how to play the game will demolish the Casual players. 2k HAS to get the Casual Gamers if they DONT it will be just like what happened to the College Hoops Game(2k8 College Hoops BEST GAME EVER!!!) If 2k13 fixes the CAT glitch(Messes up Rosters when Downloading Created Team off 2k Share) and ALLOWS editors to FULLY edit the game it will be the BEST option for all NBA Gamers. Casual or Hardcore
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                              • cgalligan
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                                • Mar 2005
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                                #30
                                Re: Why is 2k going "casual" with 2k13?

                                Aren't there "Casual" and "Simulation" settings on the game?

                                Personally, I am not very good at the game on Default "Simulation" All Star level... I will admit, I don't play the game a ton, but I do find it very challenging... However, I don't feel like its "too hard" and not fun...

                                I've used the "casual" setting in the past, and I agree... It is ALLOT more "easy" to pull of dribble moves and get to the paint. So I can totally see where your coming from on that.

                                I think as long as they keep the "Simulation" and "Casual" settings on the game, making the Default level a little "easier" is not really a bad thing... People that want to "pick up and play" will be able to do so, while those that want a truer representation of the NBA Game can click it over to the "Simulation" setting and do their thing...
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