Players you predict/should have a 99 in their attributes

[sword1986]

Re: Players you predict/should have a 99 in their attributes

Do you honestly think Steve Nash is a better passer than Jason Kidd?

[ojandpizza]

Do you honestly think Steve Nash is a better passer than Jason Kidd?

Right now? Yes.. If you're talking over the course of theirs careers then I guess you have a debate

[Belly_of_a_Whale]

Re: Players you predict/should have a 99 in their attributes

Right now? Yes.. If you're talking over the course of theirs careers then I guess you have a debate

Exactly. And the numbers from the past several years back it up.

Kidd was HOF level in his prime, but those years are looooong gone. The only thing he has on Nash now is rebounding. Nash should have him in, literally, every other rating category, outside maybe strength.

[Amino]

Re: Players you predict/should have a 99 in their attributes

Do you honestly think Steve Nash is a better passer than Jason Kidd?

They're virtually the same player. They've averaged 9 assists and 3 turnovers in their careers. Kidd has a couple thousand more assists than Nash but only because he's been in the league two years prior to Nash. Only thing debatable is which is better - having a ring or two back-to-back league MVP awards.

I'd put Kidd over Nash because he can do what Nash can't - play defense.

[stlpimpmonsta]

Re: Players you predict/should have a 99 in their attributes

Lol nash and kidd the same player. When has nash ever been a ok defender let alone a great defender?

[SaylaB]

Re: Players you predict/should have a 99 in their attributes

Lol nash and kidd the same player. When has nash ever been a ok defender let alone a great defender?

To keep in line with your argumentative style..

When has Kidd ever won an MVP?

[thilanwij]

Re: Players you predict/should have a 99 in their attributes

KG 99 Emotion

LOL, oh wow. That one made me laugh hahaha!

[beast10]

Re: Players you predict/should have a 99 in their attributes

Unless they changed the sim-engine, these are what 99's translate to:

Inside Shot 99 - 60% (hoopdata.com) - Nearly the entire league should have a 99. I REALLY hope they change this scale this year.
Close Shot 99 - 55% (hoopdata.com).
Mid-Range Shot 99 - 55% (hoopdata.com).
3PT Shot 99 - 50% (hoopdata.com).
FT 99 - 99% (hoopdata.com).
Pass 99 - 50% Assist Percentage (Basketball-reference.com, under Advanced Stats)
Block 99 - 6% Block Percentage (Basketball-reference.com)
Steal 99 - 5% Steal Percentage (Basketball-reference.com)
Offensive Rebound 99 - 14% Offensive Rebound Percentage (Basketball-reference.com)
Defensive Rebound 99 - 30% Defensive Rebound Percentage (Basketball-reference.com)

Going by last year's stats alone (I go by a 3 year average in my rosters), the following players would get 99's in objective statistical categories. If no one deserved a 99, the highest rated player is listed:

Close Shot - None (Hibbert - 92)
Mid Range - None (Dirk - 94)
3PT - None (Novak - 96)
Passing - Steve Nash, Rajon Rondo
Steal - None (Chris Paul - 84)
Block - Serge Ibaka, Javale McGee, DeAndre Jordan, Ekpe Udoh, Bismack Biyombo)
Offensive Rebounding - Nikola Pekovic, Tristan Thompson, Demarcus Cousins, Joakim Noah
Defensive Rebounding - Dwight Howard, Marcus Camby

I hope they do switch to this system

[slimm44]

Re: Players you predict/should have a 99 in their attributes

I hope they do switch to this system

That's the system they used last year. The main two aspects of the sim engine that need to change are the Block and Inside Shot scales. Both top out too low.

That scale system was used in Paul Pierce's roster and my PC roster.

[ojandpizza]

Since everybody wants to argue that Kevin Love shouldn't have the highest rebounding ratings let me put it in this perspective..

All of you I'm sure would have Rodman rated as a 99 on rebounding, his career average is 13.1 while Kevin loves is at 12.. But I'm going to focus on Rodmans years with the Bulls since that's what most people remember him as.. Rodman averaged 14.9, 16.1, and 15 rebounds per game in his 3 seasons with the Bulls.. Love has averaged 11, 15.2, 13.3 his last 3 seasons in Min..

That being said Love hasn't entered his prime yet as isn't as athletic as Rodman is.. Rebounding isn't just your ability to rebound, your hands, quickness, vertical, and player height all play part in your ability to grab boards..

That's why love should have higher rebounding grades than Dwight Howard.. If you made rebounding a kill Kevin Love would be the best in the league just as Rodman was in the late 90s..

They use their timing, hustle, boxing out, etc to get their boards while often being undersized compared to the bigger Centers who usually grab all the boards... While the majority of Dwight's boards come from him having a high vertical, and being bigger and stronger... If he had the rebounding skill set of a Kevin Love or even better Dennis Rodman he would be averaging up to 18 or so rebounds a game IMO..

[slimm44]

Re: Players you predict/should have a 99 in their attributes

Since everybody wants to argue that Kevin Love shouldn't have the highest rebounding ratings let me put it in this perspective..

All of you I'm sure would have Rodman rated as a 99 on rebounding, his career average is 13.1 while Kevin loves is at 12.. But I'm going to focus on Rodmans years with the Bulls since that's what most people remember him as.. Rodman averaged 14.9, 16.1, and 15 rebounds per game in his 3 seasons with the Bulls.. Love has averaged 11, 15.2, 13.3 his last 3 seasons in Min..

That being said Love hasn't entered his prime yet as isn't as athletic as Rodman is.. Rebounding isn't just your ability to rebound, your hands, quickness, vertical, and player height all play part in your ability to grab boards..

That's why love should have higher rebounding grades than Dwight Howard.. If you made rebounding a kill Kevin Love would be the best in the league just as Rodman was in the late 90s..

They use their timing, hustle, boxing out, etc to get their boards while often being undersized compared to the bigger Centers who usually grab all the boards... While the majority of Dwight's boards come from him having a high vertical, and being bigger and stronger... If he had the rebounding skill set of a Kevin Love or even better Dennis Rodman he would be averaging up to 18 or so rebounds a game IMO..

Nobody's saying you're points aren't valid. However, you're taking principles from real life basketball that aren't represented in 2k. Timing, hustle, hands, boxing out, footwork and anticipation are either not in the AI or are represented poorly. I don't believe, through all the games I've played and watched, that hands and hustle have anything to do with rebounding in 2k's gameplay AI and I know they don't in the sim-engine. The only ratings that factor into OFF/DEF REB in the sim engine are the rebounding ratings. I have most PF's/C's rated below 65 for hands (the majority being 45 or lower) and they have no problem grabbing the appropriate number of rebounds.

As I said in my first post, the numbers I gave were only representative of last season. Love's rebounding % in OFF rebounding has decreased both of the last two seasons and went down last season compared to the previous two in DEF rebounding, going from:

14.5 to 13.7 to 11.6 in OFF REB%
and
28.6 to 34.2 to 26.4 in DEF REB %

I'm not going to discuss why as it's beside the point. The point is, these two %'s are one way to factor how 2k's rating scale for rebounding works. In my rosters (I stated this earlier as well), I go by 3 year averages for statistical ratings for a more accurate representation of the player. His last 3 season averages are 13.3 OFF REB % and 29.7% DEF REB. That equals ratings of 97 for OFF REB and 98 for DEF REB. That's pretty good.

With the ratings I just listed (and with the scale applied to the Wolves from last year) Love averages around 10.1 DEF REB, 3.2 OFF REB, and 13.3 TOT REB in 37 MPG. Last year, he averaged 13.3 REB/G in 39 Minutes.

Do you still want to argue with the rating scale or the ratings I gave Love?