Why is there a 5 sig skill limit?

[thilanwij]

Re: Why is there a 5 sig skill limit?

If a player is eligible for more than five, I think they should let them have more than five. The thing is that they have to choose the five they want to activate in the next game. I posted an OS blog post about it in more detail. But they should let players have more than 5 IF they are eligible for it. It's kinda like NBA Live and what they had before.

[raidertiger]

And it's not just lebron limited. Magic, Jordan will also only have 5 sig skills. Doesn't that seem a bit off? Those guys shouldn't be punished for being all-round players.

[Colts18]

Re: Why is there a 5 sig skill limit?

Scottie Pippen is really getting the short end of the stick. There is no way he should be limited to 5 skills.

[adwin7]

Lebron very well may not have all 5 of his sig skills filled. It's not about "he can do this so let's make it his signature." Sig skills are for guys who specialize in things. Lebron doesn't specialize in a lot of things. He is really good at a lot of things but only special on a few.

He's a good defender but not a lock down defender
He can block shots but not an eraser
He can pass but not a dimer
He can dunk on people but not a posterizer

There might be five that fit him but it's not necessary to represent him properly in game

[Colts18]

Re: Why is there a 5 sig skill limit?

^ It isn't about "specializing" in things, it is about excelling in things. The only reason you say he doesn't "specialize" in anything is because he does so many things at an excellent clip.

[thilanwij]

Re: Why is there a 5 sig skill limit?

Lebron very well may not have all 5 of his sig skills filled. It's not about "he can do this so let's make it his signature." Sig skills are for guys who specialize in things. Lebron doesn't specialize in a lot of things. He is really good at a lot of things but only special on a few.

He's a good defender but not a lock down defender
He can block shots but not an eraser
He can pass but not a dimer
He can dunk on people but not a posterizer

There might be five that fit him but it's not necessary to represent him properly in game

That makes sense, true. I guess you're right because those are really meant for people who are masters at certain stuff. The player will need to be like a 90 something at that attribute in order to get considered to get a sig skill. But hey, if a player is that good it can happen!

P.S. Actually, maybe the player should hit at 85 in certain attributes in order to get the sig skill (if that's the way a player can get a skill). I wonder how a player can lose or gain an ability like in association mode.

[hear me now]

Re: Why is there a 5 sig skill limit?

Some people are acting like there will not be ratings and tendencies in 2k13.

[da ThRONe]

Re: Why is there a 5 sig skill limit?

Lebron very well may not have all 5 of his sig skills filled. It's not about "he can do this so let's make it his signature." Sig skills are for guys who specialize in things. Lebron doesn't specialize in a lot of things. He is really good at a lot of things but only special on a few.

He's a good defender but not a lock down defender
He can block shots but not an eraser
He can pass but not a dimer
He can dunk on people but not a posterizer

There might be five that fit him but it's not necessary to represent him properly in game

I disagree with this comment 100%. LeBron isn't a lockdown defender? I watched him lock up a top 5 offensives scorer in Derrick Rose and almost made it look easy. As far as passing LeBron most certainly is top 10 in the category as well. He has dunked on the games best. I really don't understand how the most physical gifted and versatile player in the games history is so many people make a case that his skill set doesn't command more than 5 sig skills.

[2k10Fonzarelli]

Re: Why is there a 5 sig skill limit?

He's a good defender but not a lock down defender
He can block shots but not an eraser
He can pass but not a dimer
He can dunk on people but not a posterizer

There might be five that fit him but it's not necessary to represent him properly in game

Is this really the point of the thread? To argue what LeBrons SS's are? I thought we put this to bed in another thread.

I'm on the cusp of C&Ping my post from that thread just to suggests that your dead wrong on 2 of your 4 points. But to stay on topic:

Only 2k knows why there's a 5 Skill limit. My Guess is that they(just like we) are unsure how it balances the game. Im pretty sure the devs had this same conversation we're having on OS

If it works(which it probably will), im sure they'll expand it as it is a hotbed issue here on OS.

There's one thing that is absolutely clear however ; 5 is NOT enough

[Colts18]

Re: Why is there a 5 sig skill limit?

Technically, nobody locks anyone else down but they make it tough for folks. The best people in the league that make it tough on folks through on ball pressure should be the ones with the Lockdown Skill.

[Phreezy P]

Re: Why is there a 5 sig skill limit?

Lebron very well may not have all 5 of his sig skills filled. It's not about "he can do this so let's make it his signature." Sig skills are for guys who specialize in things. Lebron doesn't specialize in a lot of things. He is really good at a lot of things but only special on a few.

He's a good defender but not a lock down defender
He can block shots but not an eraser
He can pass but not a dimer
He can dunk on people but not a posterizer

There might be five that fit him but it's not necessary to represent him properly in game

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Your argument is now invalid.

[niharjhatn]

Re: Why is there a 5 sig skill limit?

Honestly cheesing and sig skills are completely different. 2k can stop cheesing and add more sig skills for players. Tell me whats the difference between Rudy Gay and LeBron if they both have 5 sig skills? Not much right? If LeBron had 15 or so, it would make him play much more realistic in terms of the CPU controlling him.

For example, FIFA has unlimited skill limits I'm pretty sure. Someone like Ronaldo or Messi (92 overall), the true elites, are separated from the other players around 88 overall due to their sig skills and how it represents their skill sets. The same should be in 2k. It would be a travesty if someone like MKG and LeBron both had 5 sig skills with 3 of them overlapping. Where's the separation in talent then? Sig skills are a brilliant idea but the execution is off IMO.

LOL 2k didn't have skill sets before at all, but lebron still played differently to rudy gay.

You still have stats in the game that differentiate players.

You mention fifa - firstly not all skills have a direct impact on gameplay, most of them are just 'icons' attached to having high stamina/strength/speed etc. ratings. Some are not, but most are. Secondly, those players are literally broken.

[raidertiger]

Re: Why is there a 5 sig skill limit?

LOL 2k didn't have skill sets before at all, but lebron still played differently to rudy gay.

You still have stats in the game that differentiate players.

You mention fifa - firstly not all skills have a direct impact on gameplay, most of them are just 'icons' attached to having high stamina/strength/speed etc. ratings. Some are not, but most are. Secondly, those players are literally broken.

Why did 2k introduce sig skills if stats meant everything? Then what do sig skills do? And the players may be broken, but EA should fix that rather than limiting sig skills to fix that problem. That's just a loser approach to gaming.

[raiderphantom]

Re: Why is there a 5 sig skill limit?

I think this games gonna get overrun with sig skills. You should have to be top notch at something to get that skill. Ex. 38% at least for a 3 pt/ spot up. Not like 6 guys On every team with a 3 pt icon

[niharjhatn]

Re: Why is there a 5 sig skill limit?

Why did 2k introduce sig skills if stats meant everything? Then what do sig skills do? And the players may be broken, but EA should fix that rather than limiting sig skills to fix that problem. That's just a loser approach to gaming.

2k implemented sig skills because they are adding some SITUATIONAL gameplay changes - they only occur at particular times, the ones in FIFA are active all game. That is quite different to how 2k is approaching it. I still think there are going to be skills and combinations of skills that will be easily abusable, but we'll have to wait and see.

I think the 5 skills cap has more to do with My Player mode then anything else, so people can't create their player with a bunch of skills. Furthermore, I don't think any player should have 5+ skills, I think it should be reserved for the very best in that area only - i.e. for only a handful of people who specialise in that area. Superstars that excel in all areas will obviously be rated much higher than others overall, but if its not their 'signature skill' the benefits shouldn't be applied to them.