Everything Is A Steal

[andeee]

Re: Everything Is A Steal

I like it when they continue reaching despite not being able to steal the ball. I much prefer my defender playing behind me than in front of me. Makes it much easier to score on him, maybe that's just me.

Another suggestion for people having trouble dealing with this tactic:

1. Try playing the comp on superstar or HoF and trying to do it to them.
2. See what the comp does to counter it.
3. Copy that.
4. Profit.

Yeah, I hate having fouls called on my opponent too. I dislike them being in the bonus because free throws are the hardest shot in basketball.

[foo55]

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Yeah, I hate having fouls called on my opponent too. I dislike them being in the bonus because free throws are the hardest shot in basketball.

you make it sound like its a 100% success rate on those steals.

i must be doing it wrong?

[andeee]

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you make it sound like its a 100% success rate on those steals.

i must be doing it wrong?

No I don't, and I'm not sure where you get that impression considering most of my posts have stated the biggest problem is the lack of reach in fouls. So you're either selectively reading my posts or not reading them at all.

[TheMan16]

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In Real Basketball. Out of 10 steals, how many come from a perimeter player getting ripped? Maybe 1 of the 10 steals come from a perimeter player getting ripped. 2 at most. The others come from bad passes. Do you really think Chris Paul can rip the ball from Derrick Rose, hell even Raymond Felton ? I don't. These NBA players are too advanced in ball handling. How often in an NBA game do you see someone get ripped off the the dribble. Maybe they get ripped while going up for a shot, but not often when dribbling.

[TheMan16]

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For the record, i'm not looking for tips.I'm pretty sure i can handle my own online. I just wanted you guys opinion.

[Streaky McFloorburn]

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In Real Basketball. Out of 10 steals, how many come from a perimeter player getting ripped? Maybe 1 of the 10 steals come from a perimeter player getting ripped. 2 at most. The others come from bad passes. Do you really think Chris Paul can rip the ball from Derrick Rose, hell even Raymond Felton ? I don't. These NBA players are too advanced in ball handling. How often in an NBA game do you see someone get ripped off the the dribble. Maybe they get ripped while going up for a shot, but not often when dribbling.

It depends on the player, but watching almost every game of Andre Miller's when he was a Blazer, I can tell you that a lot of his steals come from ripping younger, faster guys in the open court. Now, he only averages a little better than a steal a game for his career, but I'd bet more than half of them are of the type I just described. Timing matters as much as quickness, and a hand not dribbling a ball can move just as fast as one that is.

This list is 6 years old, but it shows that there are more than a few players that rip handles more than they pick passes.

http://www.82games.com/random24.htm

[sreckless]

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In Real Basketball. Out of 10 steals, how many come from a perimeter player getting ripped? Maybe 1 of the 10 steals come from a perimeter player getting ripped. 2 at most. The others come from bad passes. Do you really think Chris Paul can rip the ball from Derrick Rose, hell even Raymond Felton ? I don't. These NBA players are too advanced in ball handling. How often in an NBA game do you see someone get ripped off the the dribble. Maybe they get ripped while going up for a shot, but not often when dribbling.

But guys in the NBA don't stand there dribbling the ball out in front of their body while a defender runs up to their ball hand. People in NBA2k12 do this all the time.

NBA guys don't get ripped that often because they know they have to protect the ball. But they don't have force fields around the ball -- they actually have to do certain things to protect it.

The game gives you the tools to do these things. Some casual players apparently feel that it's too hard to learn these tools, and that the game should go back to having a force field around anyone with a PG next to their name (and assign fouls to anyone that tries to breach said force field).

It all goes back to the dichotomy between what the game does for you and what you have to do for yourself. Everyone agrees the game shouldn't make you physically press a button every time you bounce the ball, and everyone agrees that the user should control when the player takes a shot. But there's a wide range of things in the game where there is a balance, and ball protection is one of them.

In older games, the game engine handled ball protection for you. If the player's ball security rating was high enough, it was pretty much impossible to rip the ball from him no matter what the user did. It was an automatic function of the game, out of the user's hands completely.

In 2k12 the developers made the user responsible for ball protection the same way he's responsible for taking jump shots or playing defense with the selected player. Maybe the devs should've given people more warning about this change with the likes of a developer's insight or an additional tutorial. I agree that it was a harsh adjustment.

But overall, it was a change that gives the user more control, more freedom, more power and more responsibility. And those are changes are necessary for the game to evolve. Otherwise we're just buying graphics and roster updates each year.

[Adampa1006]

It depends on the player, but watching almost every game of Andre Miller's when he was a Blazer, I can tell you that a lot of his steals come from ripping younger, faster guys in the open court. Now, he only averages a little better than a steal a game for his career, but I'd bet more than half of them are of the type I just described. Timing matters as much as quickness, and a hand not dribbling a ball can move just as fast as one that is.

This list is 6 years old, but it shows that there are more than a few players that rip handles more than they pick passes.
http://www.82games.com/random24.htm

I gotta agree this is a good point almost all steals come from getting in passing lanes or when someone is going up for a shot. Open floor just coming up and ripping the ball barely ever happens your right. I'm not sure what the answer is for 2k though.

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[raiderphantom]

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It's hard to respond constructively without seeing a video or seeing you play live, but JR Smith has low ball security for a guard and players with low ball security often lose the ball when you initiate certain moves with them with defenders nearby.

I think it's probable that the situation wasn't as perfect as you thought.



I like it when they continue reaching despite not being able to steal the ball. I much prefer my defender playing behind me than in front of me. Makes it much easier to score on him, maybe that's just me.

Another suggestion for people having trouble dealing with this tactic:

1. Try playing the comp on superstar or HoF and trying to do it to them.
2. See what the comp does to counter it.
3. Copy that.
4. Profit.

Fair enough and good advice. If I still have the video on my phone and càn figure out how to post it, I will.

[SPRINGS03]

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I agree, online is trash. Part of the reason is because we're forced to use 2ks terrible broken default sliders. Stealing is WAY too easy. And don't give me any of that "oh you just suck" crap. It's just too easy in general. It's too easy for me to steal from anyone and vice versa. Online literally rewards people for running around mashing the steal button. Terrible programing on 2ks part IMO.

[Joobieo]

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I agree, online is trash. Part of the reason is because we're forced to use 2ks terrible broken default sliders. Stealing is WAY too easy. And don't give me any of that "oh you just suck" crap. It's just too easy in general. It's too easy for me to steal from anyone and vice versa. Online literally rewards people for running around mashing the steal button. Terrible programing on 2ks part IMO.

Shame , thought this game was simulation basketball . I'll wait to see the demo myself but yikes this sounds like a issue .

[Adampa1006]

I agree, online is trash. Part of the reason is because we're forced to use 2ks terrible broken default sliders. Stealing is WAY too easy. And don't give me any of that "oh you just suck" crap. It's just too easy in general. It's too easy for me to steal from anyone and vice versa. Online literally rewards people for running around mashing the steal button. Terrible programing on 2ks part IMO.

Eh its not that bad. You can beat the people who mash steal, you can usually go around them easier than the computer, or if he is bringing someone else you can bust out of the double team or try to pass to someone more open. People playing ultra aggressive user defense aren't that hard to beat. Since I barely ever play offline I actually have more trouble with people who use more computer defense.

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[SPRINGS03]

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Eh its not that bad. You can beat the people who mash steal, you can usually go around them easier than the computer, or if he is bringing someone else you can bust out of the double team or try to pass to someone more open. People playing ultra aggressive user defense aren't that hard to beat. Since I barely ever play offline I actually have more trouble with people who use more computer defense.

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Oh i know how to beat them when they go for a steal. Don't get it twisted,i i know how to beat people doing that. But it's just that the act of stealing is still way to easy. I literally got two steals back to back with KD just by hitting the square button by the ball handler. There have also been times where someone has gotten lucky and triggered the over exaggerated steal animation where they tip the ball and your player(no matter what you do, due to it being a canned animation) dives on the ground like an idiot.

The point is that this shouldn't even be a valid tactic to try because the steal success rate has no business being that high.

[Adampa1006]

Yeah I definitely know what your talking about, or the crazy animation when you jump on the guys back and ride him like a horse and get the steal, or the 3rd canned steal animation of poking the ball and getting it behind him. Its definitely luck though how often it success, more luck than skill. I just dont really have any idea how to fix it

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[VincentB]

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I agree, there are an excessive amount of steals when playing button mashers online. A lot of the steals that take place are rediculious. John Wall shouldn't be getting the ball ripped away from him by nearly the entire Knicks roster, let alone on a consistent basis. If a poor perimeter defender is caught in a mismatch against a solid ball handler with an elite first step, I should be able to blow by him with relative ease. When I jump online in 2k12 the game seems to reward those that mash the 'X' or square button rather than punish them for not playing real basketball. In my short time playing online with the 2k13 demo, I noticed that I could get to an open spot on the court and successfully attack an overmatched defender when the situation arose. Hopefully the retail version will be the same.